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Which plastics would you/your pals be excited about and want to buy? (5 votes)

Skeletons
Ghouls
Zombies (unarmed)
Dark Brethren Cultists
Gribblies - giant slugs, hell mites, giant spiders
The Tunnel Dweller/Giant Maggoty Maw Thing
Fallen One (needs a lot of frames, would cost about twice as much as The Tunnel Dweller to make)
Dungeon Tiles - self-assembly, use to build custom dungeons
Dungeon Doors
SciFi Troopers
Gang types
Adventurer Party
Minotaur
Deathball Ogre(s)
Goblins (hand weapons + shields)
Goblins (archers)
Kobolds (think puny dog-chicken humanoids)
Snakemen
Orcs (*NOT* GW style)

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Re: Plastics - your input wanted!
« Reply #25 on: October 27, 2013, 02:40:28 PM »
BTW, The Fallen One costs more because it would need two extra frames for the wings - but I could sell the wings separately, so it would in fact count as an extra sellable product. If I ran the Tunnel Dweller, one of the stretch goals would be a set of Fly-style wings for it.

I seem to remember the plastic wings out of the balrog kit from GW being a huge seller for them.

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« Reply #26 on: October 27, 2013, 04:08:19 PM »
I would certainly go for more cultists, and have voted for them.  I also voted for deathball ogres because more ogres of any kind are always useful.  I would love to see/have an updated Tunnel Dweller/giant maggot monster, so voted for that too.  As well as gribblies for dungeons and my Cult :wink:
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« Reply #27 on: October 27, 2013, 05:39:53 PM »
I'd definitely be in for some lizardmen (with legs) and a bunch of non-comedy orcs. The ones GW made for the original Fellowship of the Ring range were great; something akin to those would be wonderful.
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« Reply #28 on: October 27, 2013, 06:41:07 PM »
Tigermen... They're great!

So the snakeman medusa would be the netherlady you've so been wanting to do?

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« Reply #29 on: October 27, 2013, 07:31:17 PM »
Yup!

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Re: Plastics - your input wanted!
« Reply #30 on: October 27, 2013, 07:34:25 PM »
Andy, with regards to the Skeleton/Zombie plan if you were to do the Basic clothed miniatures would it be easier to sculpt a few different shoulderpads & some helmeted heads for use for simple Deathbowl conversions to make things easier on yourself?
I for one wouldn't mind a mix of clothed/unclothed skele's with some variety in the heads and some shoulder/elbow/kneepads that could just be stuck on to create FantasyFootball players. (Something akin to the 2nd Ed BB Champions of Death, which were made out of the old 80's plastic skeletons)
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Re: Plastics - your input wanted!
« Reply #31 on: October 28, 2013, 09:59:48 AM »
If kobolds are still intended as the main enemy then it would be great to finally see those. Do you have the picture of the winning entry? Or is it still in a thread somewhere on the forum? I remember you running that contest shortly after I found the forum of doom...

I would like to see a small coherent range of one of those forces - undead, demons, goblins/orcs, insect gribblies, something else. Models ranging in size/effectiveness from low level minion up to tunnel dweller equivalent.
Or a heroquest style mix up if you go the game route...

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« Reply #32 on: October 28, 2013, 12:38:33 PM »
If you've voted for Dark Brethren, please check out this follow-up thread:
http://forum-of-doom.com/index.php?topic=17049.0

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Re: Plastics - your input wanted!
« Reply #33 on: October 28, 2013, 02:58:41 PM »
If kobolds are still intended as the main enemy then it would be great to finally see those. Do you have the picture of the winning entry? Or is it still in a thread somewhere on the forum? I remember you running that contest shortly after I found the forum of doom...


Yup, found it after some searching. Don't seem to have the contact details for the chap that drew it, one Michael Colasante, though.


Any kobolds would be loosely inspired by this - bit more comedic, with weaponry and armour made up of whatever they can loot from the little villages they tend to raid. Knives on sticks, pot helmets, etc.

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« Reply #34 on: October 28, 2013, 03:11:19 PM »
Glad to see more description as to what the Heresy versions of various possibilities would be like; very difficult to make informed choices when there's little information!

The conversion potential of plastics is so great and relatively easy compared to metal and resin, it's perhaps better to err on the side of putting too little on the figures to start with, which then gives the option for more customisation sprues to be added to the range at a later date (armour as well as weapons). Also, I'd be quite keen to have an option for unarmed figures; wizardly types shouldn't need physical weapons necessarily. Plus it's always nice to irritate players by replacing that seemingly harmless "medical" skeleton with a magically armed and armoured one as soon as its animation is triggered!

Never thought of Rakshasas as at all like certain breakfast cereal ad personalities before; more deadly and terrifying, but perhaps that's just because of my RPG experiences.

I'd be wary of making any figures too much on the comedic side. I've seen few Kobold castings I really liked before, and would hope Heresy's could be the exception, so maybe keep the "rampant rooster" elements to a minimum.

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Re: Plastics - your input wanted!
« Reply #35 on: October 28, 2013, 03:18:16 PM »
They'll be doing well to win the poll at this stage, but I'll bear it in mind for when they go onto a mixed sprue for a board game ;)

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« Reply #36 on: October 28, 2013, 03:33:25 PM »
Also, they're sorta funny as individuals, but like those little lizard dinosaurs in Jurassick Park 2, en masse they're revealed to be vicious little bastards that will eat you.

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« Reply #37 on: October 28, 2013, 04:26:33 PM »
The Hobbes from Fable 2 always struck me as being very similar in essence to your description of kobolds (although much less lizardy).
But that's a sidetrack. I always liked your idea of kobolds (although of mixed opinions for the winning design).

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« Reply #38 on: October 29, 2013, 12:06:45 AM »
Great concept art for the kobolds. In fact, I love them just so.

I know you won't fancy hearing this, but I wouldn't go down the comical road. That concept looks perfect as is. The same way you've made the goblins nasty again, after years of GW sillyness, you can (and IMO should) offer nasty kobolds.
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« Reply #39 on: October 29, 2013, 03:32:42 AM »
Always felt kobolds were a highly under used race in any game.  Silly and weak alone, real trouble in packs.  Should be fast, agile little buggers too.
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« Reply #40 on: October 29, 2013, 04:32:47 AM »
I always liked the look of the kobold from quest for glory. Kind of gollumesque. Underground dweller, big eyes, a bit hunched and weak looking, but don't underestimate it.

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« Reply #41 on: October 29, 2013, 12:36:54 PM »
It doesn't look like anything has changed since the last photos, but there's a been a lot of stuff done to it since then, and also, it looks twice as good as this in real life, because you aren't seeing the proper shape of it in this macro-lens image. And you aren't seeing all the many poses and weapons that I can see when I look into the future. I'm so bloody giddy with excitement about it, it's ridiculous.

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« Reply #42 on: October 29, 2013, 05:01:26 PM »



Any kobolds would be loosely inspired by this - bit more comedic, with weaponry and armour made up of whatever they can loot from the little villages they tend to raid. Knives on sticks, pot helmets, etc.

Andy... these too might work armed with sci fi weapons.

I am thinking of a mini kroot/goblin mix.
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« Reply #43 on: October 31, 2013, 08:34:40 PM »
With regard to someone asking 'Why 3-Ups?' I just got this info from Paul the Plastics Man:
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Noticed on the forum of doom, that you were asked why 3 ups.
Itís Question of quality.
If you make a half decent model at 3up the finished model at 1-1 looks much sharper in detail.
So if the model is excellent at 3up then the finished model at 1-1 looks the dogís whatsits.
The early Airfix figures were very simple and not challenging to copy.  The way the models have moved since GW moved into plastic has made every body raise their game.
When the resins are copied the toolmaker will go down to a 0.75mm probe, which means the cutter is 0.25mm
If you have a very fine detailed model the fine edges have to be strong because the action of the probe following the form of the model can be quite aggressive, so making the resins 3 times bigger makes these edges bigger and stronger.
The smallest ratio that they will copy is 1 Ĺ to 1.
If you gave them a 1-1 resin to copy they will actually copy it bigger, then copy it again back down to the finished scale.
The size of the resins is governed by the size of the machining table on the copier.

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« Reply #44 on: October 31, 2013, 09:00:16 PM »
Thanks. Makes a lot of sense.

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« Reply #45 on: November 01, 2013, 03:21:23 PM »
I voted Goblins, goblins, skellies, zombies, ghouls.

Basically all the troop sorta things. They'd fit with all sorts of boardgames, RPGS, as well as..well anything really. Everything has undead. The main game I play is WFB which requires tonnes of models, especially for undead. All I see as viable troop companies are GW and Mantic. GW are a matter of taste, and in some cases expensive, mantic are cheaper, but far far blander in my opinion. So I don't think what mantic are doing should have any bearing. I'm always seeking out alternative models to GW but mantic don't really do it for me, feel there is a quality lacking. Heresy could fill a huge gap here, as I'm definitely not alone in my thoughts.

They don't need to be mantic cheap, but currently it's highly unaffordable for anyone to make units out of the metal models. The latest release from GW is £35 for TEN!! (witch elves in plastic) so you don't need to be super cheap to appear cheap to this crowd!

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goblins for the same reason, also versatile.

There are a lot of companies (as you're all aware) making metal characters/single models, but the market for plastic troops is tiny, all I can think of is a few that Avatars of War have brought out, and obviously Mantic. But if they can retain character in the way of different poses etc, that would be incredible. The heresy ghouls are my all time favourite (and I'm a connoisseur, got a hefty 40 man block of all different manufacturers ;-) ) if they were sprued I think people would go mental for them.

If I see a single model I want, price doesn't really come into it, if it's £3-6 it won't make any difference, I want it because it fits who I want it to be. A few quid here or there isn't anything, when you're buying them in mass though it is...massive. Also there's just something cool about your single dudes being nice and heavy, the ones I've felt in finecast just don't have that awesomeness.

There's my ramble. Obviously I am not biased in any way... playing undead and goblins.. ;-)

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« Reply #46 on: November 01, 2013, 08:04:30 PM »
I know what you mean about GW plastics. I think its cheaper getting heresy metal deals than it is getting GW plastics!

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« Reply #47 on: November 02, 2013, 07:08:17 AM »
I voted for zombies, cultists & kobolds - but I would have voted Sharclons if they were an option... (I play 40K with my son & build Dr Who themed armies - I've got armies of Daleks, Cybermen & would love to add Sontarans... - I've bought 10 but they are too expensive and don't have enough variety of poses to consider a whole army at the moment...)
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« Reply #48 on: November 02, 2013, 12:12:41 PM »
Current standings in order:
  • Dark Brethren Cultists    117
  • Gang types                    116
  • SciFi Troopers                 113
  • Dungeon Tiles                  94
  • Skeletons                      91
  • Adventurer Party              83
  • Zombies (unarmed)      81
  • Gribblies                      74
  • Dungeon Doors              63
  • Ghouls                              60
  • Tunnel Dweller               54
  • Snakemen                      39
  • Minotaur                      36
  • Kobolds                              30
  • Goblins (hw&shlds)              20
  • Fallen One                      18
  • Orcs (*NOT* GW style)      18
  • Deathball Ogre(s)              17
  • Goblins (archers)                8

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Re: Plastics - your input wanted!
« Reply #49 on: November 04, 2013, 03:53:17 PM »
Sci-Fi Troopers and Gang types would be nice