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Re: Use it or lose it. Heresy's future...
« Reply #25 on: July 10, 2011, 04:10:36 PM »
Casting metal and remelting it robs the metal of vital elements and introduces unwanted additions such as talc and rubber into the pot. Better not to cast spare stuff as much as possible.

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Re: Use it or lose it. Heresy's future...
« Reply #26 on: July 10, 2011, 07:53:03 PM »
I do intend to place an order once the Spyglass stuff is up. It won't be a big order, but I should be able to spare 20-30.

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« Reply #27 on: July 10, 2011, 11:54:09 PM »
I received a message from Sally which I thought the answer would be appropriate here since this is the thread she responded to:

Quote from: anatora on July 09, 2011, 04:39:06 PM

    ....(Unlike most Brits, I don't like theme park vacations anyway - too crowded, to0 expensive, too far to travel...) ...


hope this wasnt a dig at us for letting my brother take us away on holiday last year..?


I thought a general answer here would cover all other UK people who might have reacted to my statement based on their own experience.  First and foremost, I seldom read posts on any forum at any website.  Sometimes I have a  morning with a 2-hour window to enjoy my coffee and check out some of the forums' news.  Second, I have no idea whom has visited Disneyworld from the UK, so I am unaware that Sally has every been there.  Thirdly, my husband works in the UK and flies home every four months or so.  He has to change planes at one of the U.S.airport hubs to catch the only flight into our nearby airports.  Both his last flight home and his flight out in June, the flights were completely full of mostly tourists from the UK.  He asked why so many were present and the flight attendant told him that it was the only flight to Orlando, FL for people going to Disneyworld.  She said all summer most of the flights would be mostly UK tourists going to Disneyworld.  Again, to each their own, but large theme parks have never been my cup of tea even though we took our kids to many of them when they were growing up.
 
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Re: Use it or lose it. Heresy's future...
« Reply #28 on: July 11, 2011, 12:55:22 PM »
...aimed at those people who say 'Oh yeah, I've got a list, I really should put an order in...' Those people, I'm asking to put that order in...just that those who haven't bought yet chip in now if they truly like the stuff they say they like.
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Re: Use it or lose it. Heresy's future...
« Reply #29 on: July 11, 2011, 02:53:18 PM »
I received a message from Sally which I thought the answer would be appropriate here since this is the thread she responded to:

Quote from: anatora on July 09, 2011, 04:39:06 PM

    ....(Unlike most Brits, I don't like theme park vacations anyway - too crowded, to0 expensive, too far to travel...) ...


hope this wasnt a dig at us for letting my brother take us away on holiday last year..?


I thought a general answer here would cover all other UK people who might have reacted to my statement based on their own experience.  First and foremost, I seldom read posts on any forum at any website.  Sometimes I have a  morning with a 2-hour window to enjoy my coffee and check out some of the forums' news.  Second, I have no idea whom has visited Disneyworld from the UK, so I am unaware that Sally has every been there.  Thirdly, my husband works in the UK and flies home every four months or so.  He has to change planes at one of the U.S.airport hubs to catch the only flight into our nearby airports.  Both his last flight home and his flight out in June, the flights were completely full of mostly tourists from the UK.  He asked why so many were present and the flight attendant told him that it was the only flight to Orlando, FL for people going to Disneyworld.  She said all summer most of the flights would be mostly UK tourists going to Disneyworld.  Again, to each their own, but large theme parks have never been my cup of tea even though we took our kids to many of them when they were growing up.
 
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I am at a loss as to why a simple question sent in a personal message would be published on open forum?  I tried to ascertain if i had done anything to p**s you off in private as your messages on this topic seem to be aggressive-toned and in all of the years that i have known you this is not like you.

Obviously i have p**ssed you off, how?  i have no idea what i have done except to ask a question to clarify something, could you not have replied back in the PM?
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« Reply #30 on: July 11, 2011, 05:12:27 PM »
Quote from: anatora on July 10, 2011, 10:54:09 PM

    I received a message from Sally which I thought the answer would be appropriate here since this is the thread she responded to:

    Quote from: anatora on July 09, 2011, 04:39:06 PM

        ....(Unlike most Brits, I don't like theme park vacations anyway - too crowded, to0 expensive, too far to travel...) ...


    hope this wasnt a dig at us for letting my brother take us away on holiday last year..?


    I thought a general answer here would cover all other UK people who might have reacted to my statement based on their own experience.  First and foremost, I seldom read posts on any forum at any website.  Sometimes I have a  morning with a 2-hour window to enjoy my coffee and check out some of the forums' news.  Second, I have no idea whom has visited Disneyworld from the UK, so I am unaware that Sally has every been there.  Thirdly, my husband works in the UK and flies home every four months or so.  He has to change planes at one of the U.S.airport hubs to catch the only flight into our nearby airports.  Both his last flight home and his flight out in June, the flights were completely full of mostly tourists from the UK.  He asked why so many were present and the flight attendant told him that it was the only flight to Orlando, FL for people going to Disneyworld.  She said all summer most of the flights would be mostly UK tourists going to Disneyworld.  Again, to each their own, but large theme parks have never been my cup of tea even though we took our kids to many of them when they were growing up.
     
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"I am at a loss as to why a simple question sent in a personal message would be published on open forum?"

The tone and words of the "simple question" were out of line.  If it had been followed by a smiley, I wold have taken it in a light hearted manner.  As it was, I could only feel that you were upset at the statement.

"I tried to ascertain if i had done anything to p**s you off in private"

That was where I was confused as well on reading the message since nothing I said to Andy was directed at anyone else.  You never entered my mind. 

"...your messages on this topic seem to be aggressive-toned and in all of the years that i have known you this is not like you."

I do not consider or think that any message I have made on this topic as been aggressive-toned.  I like Andy and only offered him the same advise that his accountant or financial adviser would have given him.  Unwise business practices (of which he stated many in his posts), regardless of the company, can be corrected if they are defined.  Taking charge of your business and getting it on a sound footing seems better than having to beg or threaten customers (hence the title of this thread).

" Obviously i have p**ssed you off, how?  i have no idea what i have done except to ask a question to clarify something,"

As I said, you never entered my mind when I made the advise post to Andy.  I also like you, so we can conclude you didn't do anything to p**ss me off.  If you had, i would have posted on your forums, not Heresy's.

" ...could you not have replied back in the PM?"

I really do not like unexpected PMs that uses words like "a dig at us".  Now that seems to be hostile, especially when my  statement was meant as an example why Andy could consider fore-going expensive vacations or personal purchases until his business is more stable.  It had nothing to do with you, and as I said, I had no idea that you ever visited Disneyland. I really don't read many of your forums.

The real reason I would not respond to a private PM that contained those words was as I stated in that same post: "I thought a general answer here would cover all other UK people who might have reacted to my statement based on their own experience."  Many people like a vacation once a year; some like vacations every 2 months; some  don't like them at all.  It is a matter of taste and a matter of what you can afford.  A large number of British citizens happen to like themed vacations.  Nothing wrong with that...I just happen to be a person who does not. 

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Re: Use it or lose it. Heresy's future...
« Reply #31 on: July 11, 2011, 05:17:03 PM »
I send my apologies to all readers that this thread was hijacked in such a negative way, so I think all posts from here on should be to help Andy and offer constructive advise as you have been doing.

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« Reply #32 on: July 11, 2011, 05:24:24 PM »
some stuff

So, in summary, if I may.  You thought something someone else wrote was antagonistic but can't understand why they thought something you wrote was antagonistic?

If someone replies in PM, you should keep it in PM.  The word Private means something.

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Re: Use it or lose it. Heresy's future...
« Reply #33 on: July 11, 2011, 05:32:33 PM »
I haven't ever been on an expensive vacation in years. If you don't count a week in Dorset 4 years ago, or a week in a borrowed timeshare flat for my honeymoon, then I've never been on one. Any time i've taken off has always been spent at home due to lack of funds. Hence me saying what I really needed was a holiday away form it all.

As for personal purchases, "I wish."

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Re: Use it or lose it. Heresy's future...
« Reply #34 on: July 11, 2011, 05:50:29 PM »
(I did buy a new TV recently but only because my old one broke down. I still haven't finished paying for it)

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« Reply #35 on: July 11, 2011, 06:04:58 PM »
@Perceptionistruth:  Your summery is not correct or is it truth.

@ Big Boris:  My apologies for assuming your statement "Which I had to do to sell my house. Which I am trying to do to pay off the crippling loans. Which I had to get to pay for something personal which I will not discuss on here, and to live in the house. meant a "personal purchase".  I understand the "something personal" can mean anything and can be something that comes up expectedly or unexpectedly to wipe out any financial means you have.   And as for holidays, I think they are overrated.  You tire yourself out getting ready for one, you tire yourself out getting to the place, tire yourself out trying to relax, then tire yourself out getting home.  When you get home, you are so tired that you usually need a vacation to recover from your holiday. 

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« Reply #36 on: July 11, 2011, 06:41:26 PM »
your messages on this topic seem to be aggressive-toned

In my view, it mostly looks that way compared to all the cooing and petting that normally goes on in the FoD.  It feels like Alan Sugar barging in on a market research session with Mumsnet.

I'll admit I threw some money at the problem myself, but money that was going to Heresy anyway, for something I wanted.  A while ago I had a look at a boxful of FoD minis that I have only a vague interest in painting or using (at best), and realised I was starting to treat Heresy like a tin being rattled in my direction.  I can see elements of it in here, in this thread and others.  Not an ideal situation, and I've wanted to say something, but it's beyond my wit and wisdom to suggest a clear alternative.
(Except to say that I don't buy so much from Heresy anymore because there's little I really want.  I have all or most of that already, and then some.  I'm sitting waiting to see what the next great thing is after the dragon, but maybe I could be more proactive in other parts of the forum.)

So yeah.  While I agree that the operative in 'private message' is private, I'mma gonna jump on the bandwagon with Anatora, Toosh and Gomez.  Don't want to see Heresy go under, but something has to give.
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Re: Use it or lose it. Heresy's future...
« Reply #37 on: July 11, 2011, 11:03:02 PM »
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The tone and words of the "simple question" were out of line.  If it had been followed by a smiley, I wold have taken it in a light hearted manner.  As it was, I could only feel that you were upset at the statement.
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People used to be able to communicate without smileys back when people wrote letters.

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A large number of British citizens happen to like themed vacations.
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Not quite sure where you get this generalisation from - most people I know enjoy artistic/cultural holidays, short city breaks, walking or not going on holiday in fact.  Although I do know someone who went to disneyworld.  Some flights to florida from the UK being packed with tourists in the holiday season doesn't really tell you anything.

The UK population is about 62 million.  Looking at the statistics, about 4 million visits to North America (not 4 million individuals) are made annually (roughly 80% of that for holidays).  They won't all be going for a "themed holiday".

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My apologies for assuming your statement "Which I had to do to sell my house. Which I am trying to do to pay off the crippling loans. Which I had to get to pay for something personal which I will not discuss on here, and to live in the house. meant a "personal purchase".
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This is no way says to me "personal purchase".  I don't think I can even understand how it could have been taken that way.

And I think sharing the content of a private message in public like this without consent is really bad form.

On to something else...

I don't really buy many figures - if I'm being generous I've bought about a dozen in the last couple of years, one of them being the Heresy angel.  I don't like the "having piles of lead" thing - I did that somewhat as a kid and I get much more out of it now by buying and painting as I go along.

Something like the heresy dragon doesn't really appeal to me as I don't have the physical room for it or the money for it.  And personally I'm not too keen on how it looks, but that's subjective.

Maybe expanding the not doctor who range may be a suitable income generator?  Gargantuan monstrous ranges might be appealing, but might require more financial backing?  Working out a profit per weight thing might be useful?

Maybe a rethink of the business?  Being a socialist type, I can't see how firing people and working yourself into the ground could be a good thing though.

I hope your break helps/helped you out.

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Re: Use it or lose it. Heresy's future...
« Reply #38 on: July 12, 2011, 08:37:20 AM »
Not planning on firing anybody yet!  Unfair to blame this on Craig not being able to cast as well as me. He does all the other stuff that i don't want to and gets paid eff all for it.

As to cooing and petting, anybody who knows me will know how little I value that, so by all means if you feel strongly about something feel free to say it. It won't really change the situation, but it's good to know stuff.

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« Reply #39 on: July 12, 2011, 11:11:43 AM »
I for one would rather hear it how it is rather than have Andy suddenly post that he's gone out of business, this way we are kept properly up to date with the current situation whether good or bad. 

However, i think as with any business there probably are things that could be done to improve sales, please bear in mind that as a non-businessy type much of this could well be nonsense;

1) Find something of an identity for the range would be useful, it used to be monsters but now there's a wee bit of everything one sci-fi gang, a few troopers, the usual monsters, a couple of "not" figures, customs inspectors and a few units of creatures clearly appropritae for army building etc.  it can be difficult to find reasons to buy some of the figures because there isn't much to go with them (just my opinion you understand).

2) The success of Cutlass would indicate that figures may sell better if there are rules to go with them, look at GZG they give away all of their rules and while they don't insist you use their figures in their games they almost certainly sell loads more because there is a game to play.  perhaps you should redraft (or ask someone to give you a hand redrafting) Netherhells into a skirmish game and making it available as a free download?

3) Consider changing scales (or rather adding a new scale to the range), 15mm is growing in poularity due to cost and peopel tend to be more forgiving of having fewer different figures whenbuilding units at that scale.  If you look at mark Copplestone's new barbarians there are only ten figures currently available and yet the day they came out people were buying 5 or 6 packs to make a HOTT army, the same would go for GZG Stargrunt and others all of which are free rules sets.  Having seen your test figure a few years back i have no doubt that you are able to sculpt in this scale so it may be worth giving it a go?

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« Reply #40 on: July 12, 2011, 11:17:22 AM »
Andy I been pimping your figures whenever I can where I can. :)

I got no idea how well the trenchcoat's have sold, but I guessing reasonable well, what about small skimrish level gangs along the same lines, be it fantasy or sci-fi. Plenty of systems which have hard to get models for now *cough*Necromunda / Mordhiem*cough* which your stuff is great for. expanding on your goblin line is another place i look at, I know that people love the models just limited range isn't helping, some hand weapon + shield / spear + shield guys be good.

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« Reply #41 on: July 12, 2011, 02:46:16 PM »
1) Find something of an identity for the range would be useful, it used to be monsters but now there's a wee bit of everything one sci-fi gang, a few troopers, the usual monsters, a couple of "not" figures, customs inspectors and a few units of creatures clearly appropritae for army building etc.  it can be difficult to find reasons to buy some of the figures because there isn't much to go with them (just my opinion you understand).

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3) Consider changing scales (or rather adding a new scale to the range), 15mm is growing in poularity due to cost and peopel tend to be more forgiving of having fewer different figures whenbuilding units at that scale.

That too.  I remember the interest in 15mm sci-fi here a while ago, been watching the 15mm interest on places like TMP, and someone mentioned a netherhells revamp/pimping.  What if it could be revamped for 15mm?  I dunno if 15mm skirmish or dungeon crawling would be so bad - Pendraken seem to be happy enough with their 10mm version - and stuff can be easily sold for mass combat too.  Starter sets with multiple characters, creatures, and bundled rules?  Smaller (and more wallet-friendly) trademark giant gribbly Heresy monsters?  Expansion and scenario sets down the line...?

Though I know that might be more feasible after the end of the month, if all goes well.

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Re: Use it or lose it. Heresy's future...
« Reply #42 on: July 12, 2011, 02:50:45 PM »
Well, I can see 15mm being a profitable option, though I myself wouldn't be into it. Particularly for large-scale wargames, I can see it being popular indeed.

But I would REALLY love to see you flesh out the Netherhells fluff. I loved all the old stuff and seeing it expanded upon in literary and miniature formats could really hook people into your fantasy range.

Just please don't stop doing 28mm.  :silly

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« Reply #43 on: July 12, 2011, 07:26:10 PM »
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1) Find something of an identity for the range would be useful, it used to be monsters but now there's a wee bit of everything one sci-fi gang, a few troopers, the usual monsters, a couple of "not" figures, customs inspectors and a few units of creatures clearly appropritae for army building etc.  it can be difficult to find reasons to buy some of the figures because there isn't much to go with them (just my opinion you understand).

That. That all over.

I'd also toss my vote into the 15mm pile. Its not my thing I'll admit, but it does seem to be doing well and gaining popularity as prices increase and people adjust to keep gaming on the scale they like.

What you'll also find is that figures like the netherlord can be done at around the 28-32mm range, meaning he'll double up for people wanting daemon princes, Heralds etc.


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Re: Use it or lose it. Heresy's future...
« Reply #44 on: July 12, 2011, 09:50:46 PM »
Not that I want a change to 15mm, I love the 28mm stuff, but with 3d scanning you could scan all your current stuff and get them printed in 15mm scale which would cost a bunch I know but would save time sculpting a whole new range. Especially good for those large monsters. I would love to see the Netherhells rules printed.

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« Reply #45 on: July 12, 2011, 10:07:44 PM »
I'm not a 15mm guy, never will be - too darned small

But I think we had this discussion not too long ago, although I cant remember what the general consensus was :P

Edit: thinking about this more, moving to a completely different scale might lose Heresy those customers who cut their teeth on GW (like many of us) and to whom 28mm is gods own scale... May almost be like starting fresh
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Re: Use it or lose it. Heresy's future...
« Reply #46 on: July 12, 2011, 11:50:36 PM »
15mm demonic army (yes it has been mentioned before).

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« Reply #47 on: July 13, 2011, 12:09:46 AM »
running to catch Post Office before it closes

That's a bleedin' job in itself, IMO.

Like Tiacapan I imagined adding a 15mm scale to the usual 28mm, though I realise that could cause problems.  Spreading ideas and resources too thin, maybe.  And with two ranges from the same supplier competing against eachother, it could lead to a kind of Specialist Games situation. (i.e. the slower seller gets shafted)

Gonna scoop out those old Harbinger issues and look at the rules again, anyway.
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« Reply #48 on: July 13, 2011, 12:38:43 AM »
I'm not a 15mm guy, never will be - too darned small
Amen! Don't do it,

15mm fans tend to be cheap. "Never mind the quality, feel the quantity". And that's if you're lucky ...

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« Reply #49 on: July 13, 2011, 01:08:20 AM »
As a 6mm-54mm fan there are so many ways I can take exception to that. :P  For one, there are plenty of cheap 28mm fans too, or acronyms like OG and WF wouldn't be seen so much, and we wouldn't be having this discussion.  For another, quantity ain't always a bad thing, particularly if you boil it down to "Wow!  What a great 28mm character!  I'll buy one!" vs. "Wow!  What a great 15mm set!  I'll buy a dozen!"

And especially if done in Heresy's modern, attentive, quality style. ;)
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