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Re: Avatar of war is moving to plastic, why not the gryms?
« Reply #25 on: March 28, 2011, 01:21:43 PM »
Is there a specific type of dettol people are using? I gave it a go with what I thought was the right stuff, and didn't get as good results as everyone else was claiming.

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Re: Avatar of war is moving to plastic, why not the gryms?
« Reply #26 on: March 28, 2011, 01:32:14 PM »
Just the basic stuff, my brother-in-law a pharmacist and gets it in large bottles :), used on everything from plastics and resins though to metal with no issues.

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Re: Avatar of war is moving to plastic, why not the gryms?
« Reply #27 on: March 28, 2011, 03:02:26 PM »
Is there a specific type of dettol people are using? I gave it a go with what I thought was the right stuff, and didn't get as good results as everyone else was claiming.

Only the pine stuff I think. I got non-pine dettol and it shifted almost bugger all.
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Re: Avatar of war is moving to plastic, why not the gryms?
« Reply #28 on: March 28, 2011, 04:17:44 PM »
Don't forget, kids, those plastic sprues cost pennies, not pounds, to the manufacturer. it's only the tooling cost that is overwhelmingly massive.

Indeed.....but raw styrene costs have recently doubled. Even those pennies add up when you need to shift thousands of sprues.....
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Re: Avatar of war is moving to plastic, why not the gryms?
« Reply #29 on: March 28, 2011, 10:51:38 PM »
Saw 'Click' on the BBC news channel the other night and they said the copyright on those 3D printer thingies runs out in three years time and then the price should come tumbling down. In 10 years time we could be downloading 'sculpts' and printing our own figures.
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Re: Avatar of war is moving to plastic, why not the gryms?
« Reply #30 on: March 28, 2011, 10:59:28 PM »
Is there a specific type of dettol people are using? I gave it a go with what I thought was the right stuff, and didn't get as good results as everyone else was claiming.

Only the pine stuff I think. I got non-pine dettol and it shifted almost bugger all.

Hmm... could anyone give any ingredient details from the label?
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Re: Avatar of war is moving to plastic, why not the gryms?
« Reply #31 on: March 29, 2011, 06:19:57 AM »
Saw 'Click' on the BBC news channel the other night and they said the copyright on those 3D printer thingies runs out in three years time and then the price should come tumbling down. In 10 years time we could be downloading 'sculpts' and printing our own figures.

That would be sweet.

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Re: Avatar of war is moving to plastic, why not the gryms?
« Reply #32 on: March 29, 2011, 08:50:01 AM »
Hmm... could anyone give any ingredient details from the label?
It says "Contains chloroxylenol B.P.4 8%w/v" and "Also contains: pine oil, isopropyl alcohol, castor oil soap, caramel and water".

I read, somewhere, that it was the pine oil that did the stripping, but who knows?

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Re: Avatar of war is moving to plastic, why not the gryms?
« Reply #33 on: March 29, 2011, 09:24:26 AM »
Saw 'Click' on the BBC news channel the other night and they said the copyright on those 3D printer thingies runs out in three years time and then the price should come tumbling down. In 10 years time we could be downloading 'sculpts' and printing our own figures.

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Re: Avatar of war is moving to plastic, why not the gryms?
« Reply #34 on: March 29, 2011, 01:36:27 PM »
On the Dettol front it is almost certainly the IPA that does the stripping, it is a great solvent for most things but not aggressive towards most plastics (hence the not melting plastic figures like acetone).

I find that depending on the paint and how much you want to scrub you can get pretty good results after an hour in the Dettol (about 1:1 Dettol:Water) then another hour and you will be clean bar the most stubborn paint (that and paint on top of super glue it doesn't seem to shift that at all, though the glue and attached paint is easily removed with a knife).

As to plastics they are certainly cheaper raw materials wise but it is a huge out lay to get it all tooled up.  Certainly not worth considering unless you can afford to lose the start up costs.

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Re: Avatar of war is moving to plastic, why not the gryms?
« Reply #35 on: March 29, 2011, 01:45:23 PM »
Saw 'Click' on the BBC news channel the other night and they said the copyright on those 3D printer thingies runs out in three years time and then the price should come tumbling down. In 10 years time we could be downloading 'sculpts' and printing our own figures.

That would be sweet.

Can you imagine the issues with recasting ... i mean reprinting in the future???  How would a mini manufacturer make a buck out of making a design? Perhaps it would be a model similar to Worldworks. The future looks crazy.
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Re: Avatar of war is moving to plastic, why not the gryms?
« Reply #36 on: March 29, 2011, 04:43:36 PM »
There are already twitches in the direction of copywriting 3D images in response to the printers.

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Can you imagine the issues with recasting ... i mean reprinting in the future???  How would a mini manufacturer make a buck out of making a design? Perhaps it would be a model similar to Worldworks. The future looks crazy.

Yeah, can you imagine - browsing a catalogue of 3D models, buying one and taking it to your favourite 3D printing service to cast and send to you? It would change the nature of figure collecting as once you'd bought a figure, you could print as many as you like of it!
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Re: Avatar of war is moving to plastic, why not the gryms?
« Reply #37 on: March 29, 2011, 11:15:23 PM »
Despite the amazing plastics out there right now I still much prefer metal over plastic. Resin is nice but can be fragile but it holds detail as well or better than the metal. I recently painted a Perry plastic Hussar for a painting competition and was frustrated through the whole process by the amazing but not quite as sharp as metal detail on the model. Those classic voids where detail just seems to vanish meant I spent more time prepping the model than I did painting it, or at least it felt like that.

For an army plastics are fine, once you get over the assembly process. They put massed troops on the table for considerably less than doing it in metal. But if you are painting single minis for a game or display then I want resin or metal every time.
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Re: Avatar of war is moving to plastic, why not the gryms?
« Reply #38 on: March 30, 2011, 12:16:05 AM »
just to warn you guys dettol knackers gs. screwed up a sculpt i spent 2 years converting with dettol. fairy power spray works well as well

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Re: Avatar of war is moving to plastic, why not the gryms?
« Reply #39 on: March 30, 2011, 04:18:30 AM »
Saw 'Click' on the BBC news channel the other night and they said the copyright on those 3D printer thingies runs out in three years time and then the price should come tumbling down. In 10 years time we could be downloading 'sculpts' and printing our own figures.

That would be sweet.

Can you imagine the issues with recasting ... i mean reprinting in the future???  How would a mini manufacturer make a buck out of making a design? Perhaps it would be a model similar to Worldworks. The future looks crazy.


Don't know too much about computers with downloading stuff but surely a company would be able to allow a print straight away from a website after retrieving and access code allowing only 1 print. No complete download of files just straight printing to the 3d printer from the website. Am I making any sense with this? I think in a previous thread about this same thing I said the same thing you are touching on saying it would cost a mega amount to buy a 3d printable model as you would be able to print off as many as you wanted which would be a complete waste for any sculptor. And then there's the side problems about being able to 3d scan objects and infringing copyright buy scanning and printing already purchased miniatures. That will be a kick to the n**s of any sculptor won't it?

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Re: Avatar of war is moving to plastic, why not the gryms?
« Reply #40 on: March 30, 2011, 02:50:51 PM »
Maybe the licensing will come via the materials used.

Or the more commercially available ones will be set up to a lower resolution - the idea for these is pretty much to enable remote communities or future long duration space missions to create replacement parts for vital equipment as needed (getting closer to 40k's STC system :)), or for one offs, such as custom medical prosthetics (and on that count, wasn't there something in the last few weeks about doing something similar, but using cells to print new skin for burn victims, with the possibility of expanding it to replacement organs?)

I can also see film and tv prosthetics makers loving it - scan the actor to build a 3D image, and print the appliques to that, rather than having to go through head/body casts).

And the cost will probably still be on the order of "serious wonga", even with competition lowering the price. :)

There's also time to consider - how many parts will someone be able to produce in a given time period, compared to injection moulding? Might be good for prototyping, but not for bulk mass production. Chuck in power and raw materials costs, and it might not be worth it.

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Re: Avatar of war is moving to plastic, why not the gryms?
« Reply #41 on: March 30, 2011, 07:26:30 PM »
hehe, I started a thread about 3d printing a while back, the future is closer than you think on that front and the talk isn't of specialised use but of home use! The thing that really tickled me was I recently saw an update article about possibly using 3d printing technology with other materials, like food materials. Yup food, as in your great auntie whoever could email you her favourite cottage pie homecooking recipe and you could print your own pie. Its not here yet by any means but it isn't so far fetched as we might otherwise have thought....

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« Reply #42 on: March 30, 2011, 08:44:51 PM »
hehe, I started a thread about 3d printing a while back, the future is closer than you think on that front and the talk isn't of specialised use but of home use! The thing that really tickled me was I recently saw an update article about possibly using 3d printing technology with other materials, like food materials. Yup food, as in your great auntie whoever could email you her favourite cottage pie homecooking recipe and you could print your own pie. Its not here yet by any means but it isn't so far fetched as we might otherwise have thought....
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« Reply #43 on: March 31, 2011, 12:37:20 AM »

And then there's the side problems about being able to 3d scan objects and infringing copyright buy scanning and printing already purchased miniatures. That will be a kick to the n**s of any sculptor won't it?
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I quite like the idea that the same technology used to make to ancient swords is the same to make miniatures molten metal in moulds. I'd miss that. But then again I am a sad old fart.

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« Reply #44 on: April 01, 2011, 03:29:18 PM »
hehe, I started a thread about 3d printing a while back, the future is closer than you think on that front and the talk isn't of specialised use but of home use! The thing that really tickled me was I recently saw an update article about possibly using 3d printing technology with other materials, like food materials. Yup food, as in your great auntie whoever could email you her favourite cottage pie homecooking recipe and you could print your own pie. Its not here yet by any means but it isn't so far fetched as we might otherwise have thought....
bbc showed a food printer a few months ago. love the idea


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« Reply #45 on: April 04, 2011, 05:09:53 PM »
I can also see film and tv prosthetics makers loving it - scan the actor to build a 3D image, and print the appliques to that, rather than having to go through head/body casts).

This is already happening.

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Re: Avatar of war is moving to plastic, why not the gryms?
« Reply #46 on: January 29, 2012, 12:11:31 PM »
Hello, I don't want to seem silly,

Avatars of war move to some kind of "plastic resin".

Of course the miniatures to cast with this material should be those to be buy in a box,  I mean regiment or maybe some individuals characters.

As Felix say, the plastic resin let they make as good miniatures as metal one but "cheaper".

The point should be if there is some kind of miniatures that can be move to regiments (box with 10 or 20 miniatures).

I love grymns, but if someone wants to sell grymns should have rules for the more commons games, some kind of players codex. I'm moving to use them with the new tau codex and also as an independent army if we get some "robots" or tanks.

Only with this not officials rules people look at them and buy them.


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Re: Avatar of war is moving to plastic, why not the gryms?
« Reply #47 on: January 29, 2012, 12:22:22 PM »
If you look around the WWW, there are rules for Grymn for No-Limits, Void1.1, Urban War and Metropolis. I have seen fan-made rules for Grymn for a standalone Codex and also as adaptations for Imperial Guard, Tau and Space Marines, not to mention Inquisitorial warbands for WH40K.

Part of gaming is building an army and using your imagination to adapt what is available to what you want. I (personally) don't think it is necessary for the Grymn to be attached to a ruleset because it may pigeon-hole them.

Hasslefree give you the ingredients...it's up to you to decide how to use them :).

As for the plastic thing...I don't mind either way as long as the Grymn remain mostly as one-piece castings and maintain their exceptional level of detail. I'm sure that if Kev and Sally decide that it is cost efficient they'll go with what works best for them.

...I do prefer metal though :mrgreen:.

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Re: Avatar of war is moving to plastic, why not the gryms?
« Reply #48 on: January 29, 2012, 04:08:19 PM »
The problem with the plastic-resin thing, Oscar, is that it's a secret process and to be able to do it, you need to work out how to do it first!