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Gallery of Doom => Diorama of Doom 2007 entries => : Big Boris December 13, 2007, 02:56:10 PM

: FOD DOD II: The Results! The winners are...
: Big Boris December 13, 2007, 02:56:10 PM
You don't even know how hard this was to choose! BUt at long last, here are the Judge's final decisions (plus my own comments):

Not everyone could win, and like I said in the other thread, the difference between getting placed, and not getting placed, was a fractional percentage. My first choice might have scored 100%, but second place got 99%, third got 98% and so on down the line. Everyone should have won. But here's who did:

First Place: Toosh's "The Banishing"  (http://heresyminiatures.com/forumofdoom/index.php?topic=6884.0)
Second Place: Avicenna's "A Ritual Interrupted"  (http://heresyminiatures.com/forumofdoom/index.php?topic=6871.0)
Third Place:  Dolmot's entry (No Title, but I'd call it "Not So Fast, Shortie...") (http://heresyminiatures.com/forumofdoom/index.php?topic=6881.0)
Fourth Place: TwoGunBob's entry (I'd go with "Whoops! AFODcalypse!") (http://heresyminiatures.com/forumofdoom/index.php?topic=6755.0)

My Comments:

It should be noted that Toosh and Avicenna were tied with two first places and a second place each, but in the end Toosh won out with the Taxxis on Hellbeast combo and the brilliant pit. However, the huge amounts of unnecessary space were real bugbears for two of the judges and nearly cost the two entrants their positions. (One of the judges was me, I have to say.) Next year, less size, more flavour, guys! Personally, I'd also like to have seen better use of the grass - using the bright green stuff was out of character for the rest of the scene. I'd much have preferred to see blasted scrub, yellowed dead clumps, especially on Toosh's entry. The green was just too healthy and jolly. But the quality of conversion and painting saw them through. If I had to criticise specifically, I'd ask Pete to watch out for Huge Weapon Syndrome. I don't think the Axe blade pointing up over Boris's shoulder worked (didn't look balanced) and the red and yellow blade on the Tunnel Dweller seemed out of place against the muted colouring of his body. However, all of this didn't detract enough from the quality of the painting of the models. Great squashed slugs, and full use of all four companies miniatures, Avicenna.

Dolmot's entry was only slightly behind my first choice, by 1%. This is a brilliant diorama and shows exactly what I meant in the rules by use of space. This does not need to be any bigger than it is and you can see exactly what has just happened (the pirate guy has stepped into the light as the two Dwarfs made their escape to a boat they thought was waiting) and is about to happen (Standoff followed by a fight I reckon) pure atmosphere and great mood lighting. You can hear the waves against the pier legs. Painting very, very good, but perhaps not quite up to the standard of the first two (almost level, but not quite). I'd keep this on or near my sculpting desk to inspire me when I'm feeling a bit burnt-out.

Fourth Place went to TwoGunBob. Although the quality of painting wasn't up to the level of other entries, the sheer in-your-face impact of the scene, and the amazing level of movement and story, more than made up for it. A different story from every angle!  :notworthy: This is craziness as Art and something I'd love to have in my cabinet. Sheer originality saw him chosen over two other entries he was tied with, which were Nosferatu and Lost Boy. All us judges found it very difficult to choose between the three entries: if Lost Boy had made his diorama slightly smaller and 'tighter', and made more use of the other companies than HF, he might well have made it to the top four (We all loved the magical effect you did!). Equally Nosferatu's awesome sculpting work and lovely fur paint scheme were very strong: but a smaller protagonist would have made for a stronger dramatic scene (say, using Wolf instead of the Ogre) becuase the ogre and the troll were the same size. Also the base was a bit plain and empty compared to the other entries, where it was more obviously part of the story. I'd have liked to see more details of the Troll Lair, like discarded remnants of meals or armour, scraps of cloaks, troll poop maybe ;) Reaperman's entry was good too. Awesome painting, and lighting effect in the background. I'd have liked to see it lit purely by those neon strips ion the background, and more non-Kev minis on it. Perhaps a marine from BS and/or one oif the sci-fi crew would have gotten a few extra points thrown in your direction and given it more of a multi-company feel! On the other hand, Shinobis FOD Con entry was highly original and made full clever use of figures, but the printed-out look spoiled it a bit - more hand-made stuff next time, Scott! The shiny print-outs broke the fourth wall and made it too obviously a model as opposed to a snapshot of a scene, if you follow me.
I'd also make mention of Generul Poleaxe. Shame you were four days late, you would have been a prize winner if three of the judges could have voted for you! Next time, sort it out earlier!


For my choice as the Diorama of Sycophancy, I was torn between Toosh's demon in a box, which I love, and the 'Facing the Hellmighty' by Chrysalis. In the end, I plumped for 'Facing the Hellmighty' for the sheer courage of the spider-head conversion on the NL2 and the great conversion of Boris. Chrsyalis gets to choose any one figure from my range as a prize.

Kudos to all entrants, especially those I haven't mentioned due to me having a lack of time (Still doing my taxes) You were all very good, far better than we expected: don't be disheartened if you didn't win - just come back stronger next year and show us all who's Boss!

Cheers
Andy

: Re: FOD DOD II: The Results! The winners are...
: generulpoleaxe December 13, 2007, 03:23:01 PM
well done guys
(including those who didn't place)
it was nice seeing all the ideas that people had :)
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: alrith72 December 13, 2007, 03:40:39 PM
Congrats to all the winners, all the entries were fantastic and i'm glad i didn't have to choose  :applause:
 It's been great fun following the progress of all the entries and hopefully next year i can get off my lazy butt and enter  :oops:
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: Tasker December 13, 2007, 04:08:50 PM
Congrats to all the winners, all the entries were fantastic and i'm glad i didn't have to choose  :applause:
 It's been great fun following the progress of all the entries and hopefully next year i can get off my lazy butt and enter  :oops:

 :metoo:
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: Carcharoth December 13, 2007, 04:15:39 PM
Congrats to all the winners! I've really enjoyed looking at all the different dioramas, and I don't envy the job the judges had to do! Good choices though, and Andy's critique got me looking back at them all again.

One of these years I'll try a diorama myself. Maybe.

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: Reaperman December 13, 2007, 04:42:43 PM
Congrats to all the people who entered the comp and managed to finish their dioramas. :applause: :thumbup:   I think next year I won't be entering, seens 50% of the judges I've worked for.  Unless there is a staff catagory which the FOD gets to vote on.  Anyone up for seeing all the owners and staff from each company enter a single miniature next year?????

Congrats to the prizes winners and I'll be making sure next year you ALL enter or else I'll be bringing my Nether Axe to the FOD to encourage you  :whip:
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: gi6ers December 13, 2007, 04:48:03 PM
Well done folks!
: Re: FOD DOD II: The Results! The winners are...
: Dolmot December 13, 2007, 05:04:56 PM
 :silly

Oh my.

Some surprises there. My own list of favourites was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike these. Proves the fact that the outcome was greatly a matter of opinion, rather than any stellar differences in the objective quality.

I think I'll post my own top N list with comments a bit later. I'll also write a word or two about the background and construction of my DoD with any of the WIP pics I can find. Those can, however, wait until the weekend. Right now I have some other things to do...
(http://heresyminiatures.com/forumofdoom/Smileys/default/beer.gif):cheers:(http://heresyminiatures.com/forumofdoom/Smileys/default/beer.gif)
: Re: FOD DOD II: The Results! The winners are...
: Ryan December 13, 2007, 05:05:27 PM
well done everone who entered :applause:
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: Custom_Hobby December 13, 2007, 05:06:32 PM
Congrats to all of the winners :applause: and to the judges :wink:
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: Rod the Worm December 13, 2007, 05:31:00 PM
Congratulations to the winners and well done to the rest!  I certainly didn't envy the judges their jobs!
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: keeper40k December 13, 2007, 05:43:28 PM
Congratualtions to all the winners - and to the entrants :)

: Re: FOD DOD II: The Results! The winners are...
: Captain Sprout December 13, 2007, 07:00:18 PM
Well done to the winners and everyone who entered  :applause:

Really good competition imho and it and the people here genuinely inspired me. So thanks for that as well.
: Re: FOD DOD II: The Results! The winners are...
: Custom_Hobby December 13, 2007, 07:43:33 PM
Great job to all of the entrants  :wink:  I forgot that before  :oops:
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: Lost Boy December 13, 2007, 07:44:46 PM
Oh, well. I wasn't expecting to get anywhere anyway, so no big shocker there. :shrug:


Congratulations to the winners, though, and commiserations to the losers.  :applause:


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: Graeme December 13, 2007, 07:45:33 PM
well done everyone  :applause:
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: Nosferatu December 13, 2007, 08:58:37 PM
Congratulations to everyone who actually managed to get something done ...and also, of course, to those who managed to please the judges.


Edit: I just realised that I'm the only person to enter both the 2006 and 2007 DODs! Finishing in the bottom 50% two years in a row is a feat to be reckoned with; a challenge for those who entered this year. Will I be going for 3 in a row? ...maybe not.  :erm:

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: Ben Brownlie December 13, 2007, 09:07:07 PM
Well done to all the entrants, for the high level of work and imagination that went into the pieces and the enthusiasm in getting them finished

 :applause:
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: shinobi December 13, 2007, 11:39:18 PM
Congrats Guys  :applause:

Looks like no paper terrain/printouts etc for future competitions, though I'm not really sure what Andy's comment "broke the fourth wall" means ......    :shrug:
: Re: FOD DOD II: The Results! The winners are...
: Wanderer December 13, 2007, 11:45:26 PM
Congratulations to everyone :boing: There are some seriously inspiring pieces there including the ones that didn't make it into the top four!

Rich
: Re: FOD DOD II: The Results! The winners are...
: Rod the Worm December 14, 2007, 12:24:48 AM
commiserations to the losers

Not sure any of the entries really deserve the title loser - they're all very impressive!
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: Toosh December 14, 2007, 12:39:12 AM
 :shock: Wow, I am seriously gobsmacked that I did so well in the DOD. The quality of the other entries really makes me feel humble and very honoured to have been picked as the winner.  A big thank you to the judges who obviously had a tough time due to the quality of all the entries and I fully take onboard the comments about my entry and also the comments about the other winners too as I feel it's all relevant and good information to bear in mind for the next DOD.  I was having serious doubts about my entry because of recent comments about use of space and also fact that my scene was quite large, so was pinning my hopes on my Diorama of Sycophancy!

I know that everyone who entered spent so much time and effort on their scenes - almost everyone trying something new and really pushing their creativity to the max and I sincerely wish you could all have been rewarded for your hard work. At the risk of it sounding cheesy, I guess everyone who entered won in a way, because we all have awesome pieces of work which we can be proud of.

I was so thrilled that TGB did so well with his entry. I have to admit, it totally blew my mind when I first saw it but when I looked at it again, it all came together and the uniqueness of the piece really came into it's own - kinda like 3 scenes in one!!  A very clever entry. Dolmot's osl scene was awesome and was one that I thought would be up there in the top 3 and rightly so. As for Avicenna, well I knew just how much work he put into the piece - making all those teeny things like the candles and the spell book etc - and his usual high standard of painting. 
Congrats to you all guys :applause: and congratulations to Chrysalis on winning the Diorama of Sycophancy   :wink:

I would like to also mention others that I thought were way up there with an equal chance of placing, namely Nosferatu, LostBoy and generulpoleaxe ( yeah I know it was a little late, but it was a great scene!) - all seriously cool entries but for so many different reasons - guys you did a fantastic job and should be extremely proud of your work   :bow:

As a final word, many thanks to Hasslefree, Heresy, Black Scorpion and Spyglass for running a really great competition - I think this has to have been the most challenging competition I have entered (it really made me work hard!) and was certainly the most emotional: joy, tears, frustration and then finally astonishment....  Thank you  :D

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: Chrysalis December 14, 2007, 06:07:39 AM
I have to say that the results of this "minor" league Diorama of Sycophancy were never obvious to me. Especially after Andy's comments about the use of space, I could already see Reaperman winning, or even Toosh, who would then have won both leagues! I'm still smiling when I look at the sorry face of her doggy-demon  :smile:
It was already a chill to see Reaperman and Toosh enter the same league as me, and Cute Goth made the whole thing even more hazardous with her very season-appropriate Trick or Treat Hasslefree diorama  :thumbup:

Now I'll have to enter the major league, and all I can do is take a deep breath when I look at all the great entries that didn't make it to the winning places...However, this contest is probably one of the greatest things on this board. It really brings the  spirit of our community to the top, and I very much look forward to the terrific new ideas people will have :notworthy:

Congratulations to all the minis lovers who entered this contest. We all know it's already a victory to finish those damn dioramas, and it's another to have them on our shelves and display cabinets... :yup:
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: weirdwolf December 14, 2007, 09:19:00 AM
Well done to all that entered, excellent work  :applause: :applause: :applause:
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: gi6ers December 14, 2007, 09:25:15 AM
It's a shame that we can't get feedback from the judges on our individual entries...I appreciate there are nearly 20 entries but it would be really useful.

 :shrug:
: Re: FOD DOD II: The Results! The winners are...
: Big Boris December 14, 2007, 10:07:53 AM
@Shinobi: Breaking the  fourth wall is a TV term, which refers to a camera action that track someone leaving a room and in doing so passes through one of the walls of the set, thus pointing out to the viewer that this is really just a set, and not real life. The fourth wall refers to the one that you can't see on camera, because it's 'behind' the camera. In this case, I am referring something that I have noticed over the years, which is that when you do things in 30mm scale, if you use anythingthat isn't painted or sculpted, but is in fact a real life manufactured object, it somehow seems less real than the pained/sculpted stuff that surrounds it. An example is chains - to me, if you have sculpted chains on aminiature, they fit in better than actual chains do. Real chains tend to remind the viewer that the rest of the model is just a sculpt. See what i'm saying? So if you'd hand painted the banners etc, they would have been more 'real' in the scene. I'm not saying the diorama was bad or anything, just that if it had all been done by hand it would have been better.

@Gi6ers:
I don't know if the other judges will be providing feedback or not, it's up to them I suppose! If you want MY opinion, then here it is. Again another strong entry, although i did have to prompt you to add some details to it ;) In fact there were two areas that could have been improved: Painting-wise, you were OK, but not quite as smooth and clean as the top 3; the main thing that I think would have improved the entry would have been more time taken over it in terms of that, but mainly in terms of attention to detail. Lots more detailing of the corridor would have leant atmosphere to the scene. Pipework should have been filling every spare mm of space, for instance. A sense of claustrophobia could have been leant by closing the diorama ceiling in with a few projecting pipes overhead. A similar thing to what I was talking about with Reaperman's entry, where it would have benefited from a largely 'shadowed' appearance lit only by the neon lights on the wall (IMO). Overall there was a vague sense - for me - that you might have got a bit fed up and just stopped (I think you said as much, now that I ponder it) when you could have kept going. I thought there was great interaction between the models you chose, and the story was very clear. I'd avoid the use of inks if possible in the future, they always make things a bit messier, especially brown ink washes. SO in summary, a good entry, but a bit more work to bring it up to the level of the winners!

NOTE:
Chrysalis isn't the ONLY winner of the Diorama of Sycophancy category - each of the judges will announce their own choice for this one, as the prize is just a free figure! So pester them to reveal their choices!

(I was really hoping to see someone do a multi-company conversion figure, but maybe next year...)
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: Chrysalis December 14, 2007, 10:26:38 AM
NOTE:
Chrysalis isn't the ONLY winner of the Diorama of Sycophancy category - each of the judges will announce their own choice for this one, as the prize is just a free figure! So pester them to reveal their choices!

4 entries...4 judges...Maybe an even match?  :angel:

(I was really hoping to see someone do a multi-company conversion figure, but maybe next year...)

Let's say I'll do it  :yup:


: Re: FOD DOD II: The Results! The winners are...
: gi6ers December 14, 2007, 10:33:13 AM
@Gi6ers:
I don't know if the other judges will be providing feedback or not, it's up to them I suppose! If you want MY opinion, then here it is. Again another strong entry, although i did have to prompt you to add some details to it ;) In fact there were two areas that could have been improved: Painting-wise, you were OK, but not quite as smooth and clean as the top 3; the main thing that I think would have improved the entry would have been more time taken over it in terms of that, but mainly in terms of attention to detail. Lots more detailing of the corridor would have leant atmosphere to the scene. Pipework should have been filling every spare mm of space, for instance. A sense of claustrophobia could have been leant by closing the diorama ceiling in with a few projecting pipes overhead. A similar thing to what I was talking about with Reaperman's entry, where it would have benefited from a largely 'shadowed' appearance lit only by the neon lights on the wall (IMO). Overall there was a vague sense - for me - that you might have got a bit fed up and just stopped (I think you said as much, now that I ponder it) when you could have kept going. I thought there was great interaction between the models you chose, and the story was very clear. I'd avoid the use of inks if possible in the future, they always make things a bit messier, especially brown ink washes. SO in summary, a good entry, but a bit more work to bring it up to the level of the winners!

thanks Andy, painting skill, no arguments here! In retrospect I would've made the scene half the size, and thought about details before I built and mostly finished it. I really appreciate the feedback and time permitting will have another go next time.
 :thumbup:
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: Mr Teufel December 14, 2007, 01:07:28 PM
Congratulations to the winners. I don't envy the judges' job, even if I do differ in my opinions. All the entries were very good, and obviously labours of love.
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: TwoGunBob December 14, 2007, 02:53:23 PM
I'm speechless (typeless?) to be honest. The entries were just so high caliber that I didn't think I honestly held a candle to other entries. It's encouraging enough that I plan to put renewed effort into trying to learn more painting theory to improve my painting because I still have so much to learn to get to the next level of painting skill. The entries were just so fantastic this year and I imagine next year's will be even better. Honestly, I'm already trying to plot and plan for next year's competition cause now I know how stiff the competition is. Congratulations to everyone on this cause together we made a truly spectacular showing of hobby skill and creative ideas.
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: Avicenna December 14, 2007, 03:52:03 PM
Woohoo! Well done everyone, as has been said many a time, this was a really fun competition, and what we have achieved by the end of it is quite spectacular!

Thank you to everyone for all of the comments and grats to Toosh for winning 1st place!

I'd love to write more, but I'm still at work and had better get back to it!


Thanks again (I am looking forward to spending my credit ;) )
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: No Head Ned December 14, 2007, 04:45:04 PM
whee! the results. :boing:
congrats to all who entered. You can breath out now.
: Re: FOD DOD II: The Results! The winners are...
: Mirlo December 14, 2007, 05:16:38 PM
Well done to all who entered and the winners!   :charge:

One of the reasons there arent' too many individual comments on each entry is that as mentioned all the judges had slightly different points of view and chose different winners. Mainly because there were so many great entries. I think most entries made it on someones list somewhere.. making it extra hard!

For the diorama of sychophany award I chose:

Cute goth 'Trick or treat'

It's just great, so congratulations!

 :smile:
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: Medved December 14, 2007, 10:09:58 PM
well done to the winners and the people who were just pipped at the post.

i really wanted to do something special for this comp but ended up turning in a rushed entry at the last minute. i'm glad what i had achieved with so little and that others liked it. overall i was pleased that i didnt win because i can see the huge amount of time and effort that went into most of the other entries.

well done everybody. with a little better organisation we can turn this into something really cool  :yup: :cool:
: Re: FOD DOD II: The Results! The winners are...
: Dolmot December 14, 2007, 11:22:46 PM
nevermindthen
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: Lost Boy December 16, 2007, 12:35:39 AM
All gone :paranoid2:
: Re: FOD DOD II: The Results! The winners are...
: Toosh December 16, 2007, 01:45:22 AM
Must have been a dream.....I've just woken up in the shower  :scratchhead:




: Re: FOD DOD II: The Results! The winners are...
: Mirlo December 16, 2007, 12:53:47 PM
I don't think he meant any offence, I'm sure everyone has their own favourites.

Lets all keep it friendly please...

 :)
: Re: FOD DOD II: The Results! The winners are...
: cute_goth13 December 16, 2007, 11:51:23 PM
oh wow  :boing: I won something!
Thank you Mirlo!!!!   :smile:
: Re: FOD DOD II: The Results! The winners are...
: Toosh December 17, 2007, 12:22:07 AM
Grats!!! :applause:
: Re: FOD DOD II: The Results! The winners are...
: Chrysalis December 19, 2007, 08:17:59 AM
The other winning Sycophants of Doom probably received their message, but is there any chance for us to know who Hasslefree and Spyglass have chosen as their favorite diorama?

Just curious...  :whistle: