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: Grymn / Old Crow Models Army + Grymn Fliers. New pics 28/4/16
: Brandlin April 08, 2016, 09:51:00 PM
(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-O-cLucv6Yhw/VwgYDqTtJhI/AAAAAAAAFCI/AxQSSQpAWmYGhIqxWOvhFQ_nvXrs1DMjA/s400/IMG_0586.jpg) (https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Fi4wE63Z1wQ/VwgYGKnN9-I/AAAAAAAAFCM/g9h3Y4L1Ds4jdcbt4fJixMYgHPsMVs0FA/s320/IMG_0588.jpg)

For a longer description and back story try here... (http://"http://brandlin.blogspot.co.uk/2016/04/grymn-flier.html")
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: beefcake April 08, 2016, 09:54:10 PM
Wow. I like that. Very nice! Kind of like that MDF kit in the other thread but with double rotors. Awesome work.
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: Brandlin April 08, 2016, 09:58:28 PM
Wow. I like that. Very nice! Kind of like that MDF kit in the other thread but with double rotors. Awesome work.

excellent - that's what i was going for!

and a vehicle to tow it...

(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-aQKcQkecM1U/VwgdNPgd4KI/AAAAAAAAFCg/x5z0W-iCp5cEJ6sH-PzoKqqMH8DB8djhw/s400/IMG_0590.jpg)
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: Internalclock April 11, 2016, 09:27:21 AM
What an Ace kit bash. Great job :thumbup:
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: Brandlin April 11, 2016, 03:43:56 PM
More progress...

As always more pictures and commentary on my blog

(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-aTf6qlV2x4A/VwuzQob-7pI/AAAAAAAAFCw/w6sXJHdcQmQPy0bzmhNfs_HjVpdlmiopg/s640/IMG_0592.JPG)
(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Meu8mjWIHCk/VwuzUDH6wWI/AAAAAAAAFDQ/AtsUFamKVBIlqb_ORyJDBschzfXNlHIeg/s640/IMG_0597.JPG)

Sorry the pictures aren't great. these are from the ipad camera. I shall break out the decent camera later in the week.
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: Brandlin April 11, 2016, 05:33:16 PM
Sorted through this lot...

(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ykQmEpWlHkM/VwvOhCE6mdI/AAAAAAAAFDo/u624vYMD9zEDdGijEo16HdHG14YbpT4tw/s640/IMG_0601.JPG)

to find a suitable nose weapon

(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Fvv2HJm1OJE/VwvOjamp73I/AAAAAAAAFDs/plbWJ15YCdEuFC56VgchVvcA7tXzp3fAg/s400/IMG_0600.JPG)

Barrel will get cut down a little.
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: Brandlin April 11, 2016, 05:46:16 PM
I have decided to use this thread to also show what other vehicles and forces are going with the kit bash fliers.

This is a Hasslefree Grymn Army (http://www.hfminis.co.uk/shop?category=sci%252dfi-%26%0D%0Aweird-war) with Old Crow Models vehicles (https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-5HUTABT2Q7g/VwvSed03g-I/AAAAAAAAFEE/Ey4eOkPTyjgBVNQAHaTh_Z7OXkCGfqXVQ/s640/IMG_0602.JPG).

I just finished detailing up some light recon / fast attack vehicles. These are Old Crow Models Gecko and Goanna Scouts (http://web.archive.org/web/20111208042251/http://www.oldcrowmodels.co.uk/25vehicles.htm).

(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-5HUTABT2Q7g/VwvSed03g-I/AAAAAAAAFEE/Ey4eOkPTyjgBVNQAHaTh_Z7OXkCGfqXVQ/s640/IMG_0602.JPG)

More updates as i paint and the other 30+ vehicles I have.
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: Brandlin April 12, 2016, 07:14:05 PM
Initial landing gear design...

(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-gFclj0XHKpk/Vw05Z_9mBsI/AAAAAAAAFFo/8BUei3RVVQIdu2kwMgiLzU9xZvaUZeb9QCLcB/s1600/IMG_0614.JPG)

(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ZfIKc39wTZU/Vw05aVoV8HI/AAAAAAAAFFs/gAdN8q70ZwQYneQhmqkFn43nMpqiGBXYgCLcB/s400/IMG_0617.JPG)

(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-L_Qyg2BcZEM/Vw05ajLDMYI/AAAAAAAAFFw/RYo4lynAExMLAMk9ROFpT9X6gNv63mfZACLcB/s400/IMG_0619.JPG)

(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0tUKePhbiB0/Vw05axzE2eI/AAAAAAAAFF0/z9j8lWLtV5o0Yagn0KuOzd2JPmR9we0KwCLcB/s400/IMG_0620.JPG)

I think i like it but am undecided. I like the 'insect-like', 'bug' kind of feel. I also like the fragile light-weight feel to it. But I think it might be a little toy-like.

As always opinions welcomed.
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: Inso April 12, 2016, 08:11:45 PM
I'm not sure...

What you need to do is get the tail sorted and then work on the skids. You may find that what you have made becomes unbalanced once you add the tail... adding a tail may also help you to see the bigger picture and decide that the skids look good.

If you are going for insect... you could always try some of these legs:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-NjEBgKKEv7k/Tmye9_XNtJI/AAAAAAAAAIc/47dNKAXS_oU/s1600/spider_2.jpg

The kits are cheap as chips (Robogear).

If you stick with skids like you have already started, a step half way up will help :)
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: Brandlin April 12, 2016, 08:58:42 PM
Hi Inso, thanks, it's always great to get your feedback, I do value it.

From a mechanical point of view, the tail is unlikely to overbalanced anything with mass as the weight is all in the resin rotors which is above the rear leg. If it does, I have plenty of space in the cockpit for extra mass to bring the CoG forwards. Also, extending skids a few mm beyond the current brass rod of the landing frame will help both aesthetics and balance.

You are right though, I won't glue in the landing skids until I have sorted the tail. My current idea is a simple and quite large quadrilateral shape, taller than it is wide and racked at the front. Probably several sheets of styrene laminated together and sanded into an aerrofoil.

 :swear: now, you know better than to try and fool me into putting mechanical legs on to my models.  :lmao

Steps up will certainly be required, even a space marine couldn't get in this at the moment let alone a grymn.

I've been playing with this model with the landing gear a few hours and it's growing on me, so I may keep it nice and simple!

Those robo gear sets do look interesting as things for my bits box, the "cockpit" on that one looks very useful.


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: Internalclock April 13, 2016, 01:54:08 PM
I see no link to blog in sig!
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: Brandlin April 13, 2016, 03:30:50 PM
I see no link to blog in sig!

Click the little world icon under my name/avatar.
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: Steel Penguin April 13, 2016, 06:52:40 PM
Brandlin,  I think it looks good as is, oddly with the twin fans like they are on either side of the body it balances, and the rotor torque will cancel out.  ( though if you want one for your aesthetic vision that's different  :smile: )   once you get some paint on it itll pull together much more as well.
but at the moment deffo  :thumbup:  :applause: 
: Re: Grymn / Old Crow Models Army + Grymn Fliers
: Brandlin April 14, 2016, 07:43:55 PM
plod plod 

current thinking on the tail.

(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-tQkKtGQzupk/Vw_kWr_UgkI/AAAAAAAAFGM/LnE3BmxmWS0dPgXNM8f0KZDdoG_KTbuxwCLcB/s640/flier%2Btail.JPG)
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: Inso April 14, 2016, 08:14:51 PM
The shape's good but I'd be tempted to move the whole thing rearwards by about 10mm. That way you get separation from the body, the fan isn't as close to the fin and you keep the compact look.

If you haven't already thought about it, I'd suggest putting a little air intake between the lift fans so that there is some flow to the rear fan too.
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: Brandlin April 14, 2016, 09:02:31 PM
The shape's good but I'd be tempted to move the whole thing rearwards by about 10mm. That way you get separation from the body, the fan isn't as close to the fin and you keep the compact look.

If you haven't already thought about it, I'd suggest putting a little air intake between the lift fans so that there is some flow to the rear fan too.

Hi Inso.

Tail shape is a bit dictated by the space I have to play with on the mobile landing pad, but it can certainly go back a bit.

Air intakes are at the front either side of the nose, I need to model an intake but the basic shape of the ducting is already there.
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: Inso April 14, 2016, 09:50:32 PM
Cool :)

The tail doesn't need to go back very far but it will make a big difference.
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: beefcake April 15, 2016, 08:05:15 AM
I quite like it where it is, I don't however have any practical idea about how useful it would be there. I just think it suits the compact look of the craft in general. Good to mess about with different ideas though.
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: Brandlin April 15, 2016, 05:37:12 PM
Thanks beefcake.

Landing gear and tail fin complete.

Tail is made from three sheets of styrene laminated together and then sanded into a vaguely aerofoil cross section. Its attached with three struts made from paperclips. I may bulk that out with a little styrene to make them look, well, bulkier.

(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-t8sFhMpRDmw/VxEXc-zBg2I/AAAAAAAAFGo/ZjCF1W_ExW4XQi5JAR2WNYn44RlZST3jgCLcB/s1600/IMG_0641.JPG)

(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-NgQ5Y4cXEzM/VxEXdRjzsGI/AAAAAAAAFGs/pNyn7jjPSjwXCA7h77NKQeRaa6AMaLcMACLcB/s400/IMG_0643.JPG)

... and on its mobile landing pad.

(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-z60-_hyi7kY/VxEXd-sbbtI/AAAAAAAAFG8/X0uO2ro0gi4gendq7tbg3_H7a1-xT_KrQCLcB/s400/IMG_0647.JPG)
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: Brandlin April 16, 2016, 05:20:20 PM
(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-68oVofnnQ_c/VxJlhd7qLeI/AAAAAAAAFHQ/DXJFWYg-dSMZVj1UdhiOGVOMioDxckHYwCLcB/s640/IMG_0570.JPG)

Ready for paint.
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: beefcake April 16, 2016, 09:48:55 PM
Those look great. Is that a missile pod and some recon sensors or something like that? Nice options.
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: Brandlin April 16, 2016, 11:26:17 PM
Shown with interchangeable (left to right) radar/comms pack (2), cannon (2) and missile rack.
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: Brandlin April 17, 2016, 03:56:41 PM
Thought I'd clean the airbrush. And then clean the airbrush. And then for a change, clean the airbrush some more.


And then put some undercoat on the fliers and other models. This is an all over coat of grey primer, followed by Zenithal undercoat - black shot on the underside of the models and a thin white coat shot from the top down. I've never done this before, but it's intended to show through the top coat so that you get a more natural shading of the model colours. I remain to see if this affects my painting.

(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-AQWVqZ7sMQw/VxOjPXFJOFI/AAAAAAAAFHk/WNGHe-9qozQ_cS7wId97v7DZ3i7Le7_SwCLcB/s400/IMG_0655.JPG)

(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Acmnskyt8FE/VxOjPSLf-fI/AAAAAAAAFHg/PE2_MwdCuu8MQ0Dky5VT9rM0K_CTCCgjACLcB/s400/IMG_0656.JPG)
 
All the models here other than the fliers are from Old Crow Models.
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: Brandlin April 20, 2016, 03:17:17 PM
Windows pre-shaded by airbrush.

(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-QaB0fNnWTLU/VxeOSm4TgjI/AAAAAAAAFLM/yXRObEBjGNsZpmey10MUbzimHZbDpt75gCLcB/s640/0109d9024b97d8f28ce38f4d229b7d13a1fd425a00.jpg)

Tinted green.

(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-WB7hCt0E7GI/VxeiThj1ohI/AAAAAAAAFLc/hRvBHASkW1EdjtE5r2ZFmOPWJkKYKD4uQCLcB/s640/010958ce79303f2536ff6a9edd7563b455667606b5.jpg)
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: beefcake April 20, 2016, 09:08:42 PM
You make me wish I had an airbrush (and the skills to use it)
Looks really good, the green fits really well, kind of makes me imagine them flying through neon signage.
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: Brandlin April 21, 2016, 03:30:28 PM
You make me wish I had an airbrush (and the skills to use it)
Looks really good, the green fits really well, kind of makes me imagine them flying through neon signage.

Thanks beefcake. Its really not as hard as you think. I have very rarely used my airbrush and still consider myself a total beginner. But I have promised myself I am going to do more and keep trying. I've watched a bunch of youtube videos and frankly came to the conclusion that I'm smarter than a lot of the people on there so it cant be that hard to learn - i just need to dedicate myself to some practice.

I've just spent several hours looking for my liquid mask to mask off the windscreens so that I can start on the main camouflage colours. Turns out the bottle is a different colour than I remember and was actually in the first place I looked! feck! SO an hour later I'm now waiting for the liquid mask on all the windscreens to dry.

Boy this stuff smells!
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: Steel Penguin April 21, 2016, 04:20:59 PM
looking good, though you did throw me by taking the 1st pic with Tamiya clear blue then spraying green on them   :lmao
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: Brandlin April 21, 2016, 05:50:08 PM
Thanks steel Penguin. I messed up the blue - couldnt get a smooth coat at all. So decided to go with an airbrushed tint instead. As the base of the camouflage is a blue grey tone, at the last minute I thought a green tint would look better.

I couldn't resist taking the mask off a couple of vehicles after I'd sprayed the rough camouflage.

(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-J5CfJirBZqE/VxkDgN0zVhI/AAAAAAAAFLs/FnycAFDPLEwcOliWk6ptulo6A7HnqtjjACLcB/s400/01a55190c6a18a95adc7d0a06b93a119a843e5a938.jpg)

(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-LSGsZtyuc4U/VxkIJ2LdvEI/AAAAAAAAFL4/bg_eZ-M73k0Z4kTkInlD2TGSO_qZzs2dQCLcB/s400/01bd88e41f70b0ded6f821c5a071c8a95a00fafdaf.jpg)
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: Inso April 21, 2016, 08:50:25 PM
That looks very effective :)
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: Brandlin April 21, 2016, 10:00:41 PM
That looks very effective :)

Thanks Inso. Still some way to go.
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: Internalclock April 22, 2016, 01:54:41 PM
 :metoo: great job on the screens. love that effect.
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: Brandlin April 25, 2016, 01:20:13 PM
Thanks guys..


 :tantrum: painting 48 tyres black really is a soul destroying activity.

Anyway thats done, and all the details, vents etc are now blacked in.

 :tantrum: :tantrum: :tantrum: Tried washing them with the same formula i used 8 years ago and it pooled and left horrible tide marks. I'm guessing paints and washes don't last for ever!! So, had to re-paint the ruined vehicle from black undercoat up.

Next step, blockign in details - vents and louvres, smoke dischargers, lights, weapons etc.

then... I need to design some decals like this..

(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-9SqgZj4rgD4/VxY2ncHD-JI/AAAAAAAAFI0/thZEIeQ56WcVYpv6qJI9n7OEJJ0nF3htwCKgB/s1600/jixEebn7T.png) (https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-JWCzuqsspJI/VxZCp_UrbnI/AAAAAAAAFJU/hq16AUwX5cALa6TxOEgYGIQe7vEdH7MvwCLcB/s200/01d3f87a5af11c66e88fdfe7a339241a5b8a8f9531.jpg)

Check my blog for the thinking on designs. (http://brandlin.blogspot.co.uk/search?updated-max=2016-04-19T17:16:00%2B01:00&max-results=3)
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: beefcake April 26, 2016, 11:13:47 AM
At least you've done them. They look even better with more paint on them. Keep it up.
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: Brandlin April 26, 2016, 06:33:09 PM
At least you've done them. They look even better with more paint on them. Keep it up.

Thanks. Most of the details are now done, pictures tomorrow.
I'm trying really hard not to look at the unpainted 20 more vehicles in my display cabinet, or the 5 previously painted models that now don't match!
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: Internalclock April 27, 2016, 07:47:35 AM
The paw decal looks great. Is the bear one going to be big and painted? like the bunny face in SuckerPunch? if not it might want the lines thickening? yes no maybe?
: Re: Grymn / Old Crow Models Army + Grymn Fliers - new pics 28/04/16
: Brandlin April 28, 2016, 02:11:53 PM
All camouflage work done. Most of the details complete or just blocked in black.

Still to do : Metal coat on the diamond plate, edge highlighting of all the panels (urgh! - I hate that bit!), winter weathering. Then there are decals to go on.

The picture shows the 8 year old paint job I am trying to match on the largest APC.

(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-6I1jPKyOeU8/VyILLA2ESBI/AAAAAAAAFMI/uRh4YgLZNHk7xBOxn51c8KDOuHCt0-JAgCLcB/s1600/IMG_0010.JPG)