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: Use it or lose it. Heresy's future...
: Big Boris July 07, 2011, 10:07:59 AM
The good news - there was no Corporation Tax for Heresy to pay for the 2009/2010 financial year. The bad news - this is because we didn't make ANY PROFIT.

Now, as much of a relief in the short term as not having to pay tax is, it is bad news. This business cannot continue without profit. So literally, either people need to buy things, or that's it. Done. Finished. Kaput. I'm well aware that I need to release more models, but without money to pay sculptors or Craig's wages, that isn't going to happen because I end up doing all the menial work myself. As it is, i have to do all the remoulding, casting of masters and even casting of some figures that Craig just can't seem to get out of the moulds without them being all shiney and horrible. I also have to answer emails and do all the admin stuff and this means less and less actual proper time (and just as important, less motivation) to just sit and sculpt. It's a vicious circle. I haven't touched a sculpting tool since before a few weeks before Salute. Lack of enthusaism partly. I am burnt out from almost ten years of non-stop effort and hand-to-mouth living regarding Heresy.

So, a 'heads up'. Use it or lose it.
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: fredox July 07, 2011, 10:39:55 AM
Not good news at all. But, saying that it's better to know than just getting a message saying there's no more Heresy.

Time to put a shopping list together me thinks.
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: beefcake July 07, 2011, 10:56:46 AM
Oh Crapola. Not good news at all. Have to look into making another order.
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: Bungle July 07, 2011, 11:44:23 AM
Bugger. I'll have to look through the to paint pile and see if I have missed anything.

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: Gangrel July 07, 2011, 12:23:46 PM
I've been meaning to put a small order together, so time to get my finger out. Need to contact an Aussie mate about getting a few figures for him too.
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: ballistic_bro July 07, 2011, 03:24:07 PM
That's not good news. Hopefully be able to put a small order in soon. :smile:
Hopefully adding the Spyglass range to your will help boost sales, aswell. :roll:
Here's hoping things pick up. :thumbup: :smile:
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: Penfold July 07, 2011, 06:10:46 PM
Will have to make next order a bit bigger than the last then  :wry:
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: Orc Man July 07, 2011, 06:25:05 PM
Well, come tomorrow I have a fair order planned for Heresy. (Tomorrow's payday)

Which will include some of your lovely sci-fi troopers for certain.
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: Tasker July 07, 2011, 07:13:49 PM
Bugger... Going away for a few days soon so most of the next pay packet is already spoken for.

Having said that though, i've been meaning to order a shed load of stuff from Heresy so i'll make it a priority to put an order in as soon as possible after I get back.

I know the sale will probably be over at that point but i'm not too fussed. For companies like Heresy I prefer to pay full price anyway.
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: Mr Teufel July 08, 2011, 11:27:13 AM
I've been meaning to put a small order together, so time to get my finger out. Need to contact an Aussie mate about getting a few figures for him too.
Now's the time. The Aussie dollar has hit a record high against the pound.
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: beefcake July 08, 2011, 11:36:04 AM
Used to be 3 pounds to the $NZ now its 1.9 pounds to the NZ dollar. probably cheaper to buy stuff from the UK and get it shipped than buy it over here.
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: Tiacapan July 08, 2011, 05:40:41 PM
Fair enough, a goblin army it is then.
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: Gangrel July 08, 2011, 06:39:33 PM
I've been meaning to put a small order together, so time to get my finger out. Need to contact an Aussie mate about getting a few figures for him too.
Now's the time. The Aussie dollar has hit a record high against the pound.

It doesn't really matter to me. It's for an Aussie gamer who did a great favour for me. I owe him good stuff! I just need him to tell me what he'd like and I'll buy it for him and send it over with some other bits I've collected for him.
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: clam July 09, 2011, 11:58:40 AM
Really bad news. Would really, really hate see Heresy go OOP - even there hasn't been much for me lately.

That said, if you really feel fed up, lack enthusiasm and burned out, perhaps it is time to call it a day. If you don't feel for it any more, I really don't think any of us can save it. Hopefully this is just a phase you are going trough, though (like all of us have probably tried).

Oh, and my orders are in ;)

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: Big Boris July 09, 2011, 02:02:48 PM
Nah, just a burn-out - I think it has a lot to do with not having windows in my office, and spending too many days in there - I wasn't taking weekends off or anything for months in a row due to pressures of the job.  My whole life was either in that office or in the post office or in asda.

Since the enforced Not-in-office period I have spent my free time in the last few weeks re-reading the (Game of Thrones) A Song of Ice And Fire series by Geroge RR Martin, and it's great to get away from miniatures in the evenings and weekends. Can feel my desire to sculpt coming back. Also trawled through all the bits of old greens in my drawers which is always motivational for 'having another go' at something.
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: gi6ers July 09, 2011, 03:33:23 PM
Hopefully my little order helps in some way Andy, how 'bout a painting contest to get folks buying?

Other than that I can only think of doing more regular releases to get some traffic on the site....I saw some people moaning about the website and personally I think it's fine.
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: anatora July 09, 2011, 05:39:06 PM
Quote" I'm well aware that I need to release more models, but without money to pay sculptors or Craig's wages, that isn't going to happen because I end up doing all the menial work myself. As it is, i have to do all the remoulding, casting of masters and even casting of some figures that Craig just can't seem to get out of the moulds without them being all shiney and horrible. I also have to answer emails and do all the admin stuff and this means less and less actual proper time (and just as important, less motivation) to just sit and sculpt. It's a vicious circle. I haven't touched a sculpting tool since before a few weeks before Salute. Lack of enthusaism partly. I am burnt out from almost ten years of non-stop effort and hand-to-mouth living regarding Heresy." Quote

I am sorry that you would contemplate closing Heresy Miniatures.  From a business point of view this is my 2 cents worth:

"I'm well aware that I need to release more models"

From a buyers point of view, that is usually a large determinator of success for a miniature line, but not always the main reason.

"without money to pay sculptors or Craig's wages, that isn't going to happen"
You just acquired Spyglass, which is, at least, a good decision when you can afford it. If you close Heresy, does that mean you close Spyglass as well?  Maybe this line will kick-start your sales as soon as they are released.   A burst of sales at this point will be of no help to the future health of Heresy.  While immediate sales will give you some relief in paying your employee or to invest in the metal it takes to put out your new releases and the Spyglass minis or even a few new sculpts, the income will die back again and you will be left in the same position.  You need to work toward the long term.

"I end up doing all the menial work myself. As it is, i have to do all the remoulding, casting of masters and even casting of some figures that Craig just can't seem to get out of the moulds without them being all shiney and horrible. I also have to answer emails and do all the admin stuff and this means less and less actual proper time (and just as important, less motivation) to just sit and sculpt. It's a vicious circle."

Since you have an employee who does not seem to be able to do the tasks you set for him, why don't you train him to do the admin work instead, freeing you up to do the mould making and casting which you seem to have to do anyway?  Or, better yet, take the time to stand over him and train him on mould making and casting until he can do it in his sleep and to your satisfaction.  If you think you don't have the time to do this, you need to re-evaluate your commitment to your business and your sanity.  Seems to be a good investment of time that will free you up in the future to sculpt.

Over here, business owners will tell you that owning and running your own business  is more than a "throw up a sign and open your doors".  It is not unusual for owners  to work 12-14 hour days, 6 or 7 days a week to keep their doors open.  Vacations are low on the list of priorities and some never see a vacation in their lives.  They are tied to their business, and know it is the only way they can be successful. If they find themselves looking down a financial shotgun, as you seem to be doing, they tighten their belts, get rid of everything non-essential (including employees that are non-productive) and do the work themselves until they are on good financial footing again.   If less than this level of commitment burns you out now, you might as well close your doors.  It does not seem logical to think you can have a successful business if you do not have your head and your hands in every facet of your business.  Somehow, time off is an alien concept to most of us and certainly not something we feel we have to have to survive.  (Unlike most Brits, I don't like theme park vacations anyway - too crowded, to0 expensive, too far to travel...)

Losing Heresy would be a shame, but if you really feel this way, like Steve, you might consider selling your lines and going to work full time for another company as he did with GW or make your living sculpting commissions from various other miniature companies.  That would definitely free up a lot of your time and help your burnout problem. 

As for your windowless office, just get lots of  daylight bulbs for all the lighting fixtures and/or buy more table lamps to light up the space.  You sound like you are suffering from a type of clinical depression called Seasonal Affective Disorder (SAD) caused by lack of sunlight, whether it be in winter or in a windowless office.  It might also help to buy and frame a poster of a beautiful beach scene and hang over your worktable so you can glance up at it every so often.  ( I guess a picture of a girl in a bikini on the beach would work as well)  :cool:

I hope the dragons that were prepaid for are not in danger of being extinct, so to speak.  I would not be happy if my dragon did not appear on my doorstep sometime in the near future since at least one person has already received his.

anatora



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: LazarusKing July 10, 2011, 05:52:25 AM
More releases with multiple applications would probably be a good idea.  Also Hürn! 
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: beefcake July 10, 2011, 06:10:22 AM
I don't know if this is the case but a lot more people seem to have joined the forum as a result of Cutlass! and I imagine that would have increased sales too. Maybe publishing your netherhells rules might increase sales for you too? I know that is a huge task though as concept art, writing loads of background etc. takes loads of work. Just a thought.
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: Toosh July 10, 2011, 10:11:56 AM
I personally think Anatora hit the nail on the head. It's time to review how the company is working and make some decisions.  If things are not working as they are now, adding more sales will not help that.

I'll be blunt; I won't be placing an order, because there is nothing I want or need right now and in this financial climate, I also have to look after our own financial situation. I'm not convinced that a £20 order from me is going to make a blind bit of difference.  A lot of us placed a £100 pound order a very long time ago for a dragon and that didn't help the business; sure it gave Andy some immediate relief, but in the long run it's become a monkey on his back, so much so, it's actually done the business harm I'd say.  This is not a bitch about the dragon, I'm trying to point out that these "quick fixes" are masking a bigger problem. There is something fundamentally wrong with the business.

Coming onto the forum to see a thread like this is harsh for many reasons. One, for the fact that Andy continues to struggle with the business despite all the work he does; two, being made to feel that it's my fault if the business fails and three, any positive vibes created by the Spyglass thread have been tempered with the information here.  Whilst this thread might represent the very harsh reality of running your own business, I don't think the information should have been shared - not now, not when there was such a great bit of news about acquiring the Spyglass range. That would have generated sales without the "use it or loose it" threat hanging over everyone's heads.

People already know about the daily struggle to make ends meet, hell, they might actually come to the forum to read about models - to escape from the fact they have their own tax bill to pay, or a meeting with the bank about their overdraft.  If I have a choice of frequenting a forum that talks about models, painting, conversions, competitions - all the stuff I love, versus one that appears to dwell on daily problems, then I know where I'll be going.

The forum has had a revamp; it needs another revamp - the culture.  It needs to go back to being a place where people can enjoy themselves and that is what will bring in new members and those new people will buy from the FOD because they will be inspired to do so. Beefcake's point about Cutlass! generating interest and members is a good observation, but at the moment, there potentially isn't enough to sustain their interest outside of what they came here specifically for. Take out all the old crap threads, make it informative and interesting and somewhere people can find all the cool stuff about Heresy, Hasslefree, Black Scorpion and Twilight. I'm sure the moderators can help with that part, whilst Andy gets his business hat on and makes some hard decisions.
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: Gomez Addams July 10, 2011, 12:03:29 PM
I tend to agree with Toosh. I know how hard things have been all around recently and its not good, but with money being tight I don't think I can make an order. I do want another Hürn and some sculpting bits, however I can get the sculpting tools/putty elsewhere and I should really get the first one painted.

I think if you really want to carry on then spyglass isn't going to save you long term. Knuckle down on your popular ranges (you said that the sci-fi stuff was the most popular) and forget everything else. Retire the larger figures as the molds go, or have them remastered in resin - the angel for example would look awesome in resin - as money allows depending on which figures you decide to keep.

I also suggest that you stop offering so many options in some kits. Some of the gangers come with whole sprues of guns (iirc from Kelham) whilst the Hürn comes with far too many for me to ever needs. The picture I see on the website is what I expect to get - if I want different, I'll convert it myself. You don't need to remold anything - just change the descriptions and bung everything but the essentials back in the pot.

Aside from that, would selling current sculpts be a viable option?
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: Big Boris July 10, 2011, 02:01:11 PM
Apologies if I harsh anyone's mellow. I have always laid it on the line since day one about the day to day of Heresy. And being locked in my little office every day of the week, the only people I have the chance to vent to are either my wife, who knows anyway and besides has enough on her emotional plate, or Craig, who is aware of it all already too. I try to bring you good news as well as bad, but hey, there's a lot of bad news when you run a company without the financial backing from day one that other companies may have. I'm not the only one who brings downers to the table here, I'll give you that, but at no point have we ever given you glorious bull like GW etc might.

I'm not begging because I enjoy it, and I'm not begging those who have already bought everything. My post was aimed at those people on here who talk a good fight, saing how great stuff is and yet have never bought any Heresy stuff. The truism of a miniatures company is that you get 10% of the praise as sales. My begging post was aimed at those people who say 'Oh yeah, I've got a list, I really should put an order in...' Those people, I'm asking to put that order in. £20 pays for three hours of Craig's time. It buys 10% of a tools order. It covers my petrol for a couple of weeks. £20 counts. I am not suggesting that anyone feel guilty, especially people like Toosh who have bought everything already, long before now; without them I wouldn't be in business today - just that those who haven't bought yet chip in now if they truly like the stuff they say they like.

I need to find £4800 by the end of the month. I bought the spyglass stuff because I feel most of it fits in well with the Heresy range and will sell well enough to pay the costs back within a month or two, all things going well.

As to reducing options in the kits, yes, will be doing that. But it does require re-moulding as most of the moulds have all the parts on them for each kit and if one wishes to do different combinations of models rather than multi-part collections, one necessarily has to alter moulds to cope with that. So as the old moulds wear out, they will be replaced with new, less parts-oriented kits. eg the posing vampire will be redone with his heads attached, and so forth.

Larger figures - they're self-limiting. Once the metal price comes back down,they will start to sell a bit better again. I will be invstigating resin versions or indeed plastic spincast with Ed from Troll forged, we shall see.

As to the £100 dragon price. It helped at the time! But the devil has a way of pissing in my particular kettle when it comes to good ideas. I've said all I need to say about the dragon over the years, I'm way past the point of whining about it now, there's 38 pages o fit in the other thread. Suffice to say, the next one I'll make the way I want to make it and I won't sell it before it's fully finished. Or start it before I've  sorted out a lot of other little things first.

FYI, if only I'd sold my house to pay off the two biggest loans when it went on the market last year, this conversation wouldn't even be taking place. Nothing wrong with Heresy that £30,000 wouldn't solve. Kettle. Devil. Pissy tea.
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: Big Boris July 10, 2011, 02:07:51 PM
PS The current problems stem mainly from the fact that i am renting a workshop. Which I had to do to sell my house. Which I am trying to do to pay off the crippling loans. Which I had to get to pay for something personal which I will not discuss on here, and to live in the house.

Sometimes you roll the dice and they just come up 1's.

Just waiting on that double 6.
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: Orc Man July 10, 2011, 03:27:39 PM
I really recommend looking into some alternative casting material, especially for the largest of your range. And I hope you do look deep into the possibilities with Troll Forged, their new plastic stuff looks pretty promising. Ed's a pretty great guy, so I think it would be pretty easy to work with him on this.
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: Gomez Addams July 10, 2011, 04:05:31 PM
Thing is, reducing the kits doesn't require re-molding because you have the casting kit on premises - whats to stop you chucking the unnecessary parts back in the pot straight after you've spun the parts you need (I know one of HF casters does that when Sal needs a specific model). Yes you loose some casting time, but with metal prices being silly it saves you there. I'd be curious to know just how much extra metal is in a Hürn kit (the weight of all the additional components if you assembled one variation for example).

That way your not replacing molds until you have to and cutting your costs at the same time.
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: Big Boris July 10, 2011, 04:10:36 PM
Casting metal and remelting it robs the metal of vital elements and introduces unwanted additions such as talc and rubber into the pot. Better not to cast spare stuff as much as possible.
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: solkan_uk July 10, 2011, 07:53:03 PM
I do intend to place an order once the Spyglass stuff is up. It won't be a big order, but I should be able to spare £20-30.
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: anatora July 10, 2011, 11:54:09 PM
I received a message from Sally which I thought the answer would be appropriate here since this is the thread she responded to:

Quote from: anatora on July 09, 2011, 04:39:06 PM

    ....(Unlike most Brits, I don't like theme park vacations anyway - too crowded, to0 expensive, too far to travel...) ...


hope this wasnt a dig at us for letting my brother take us away on holiday last year..?


I thought a general answer here would cover all other UK people who might have reacted to my statement based on their own experience.  First and foremost, I seldom read posts on any forum at any website.  Sometimes I have a  morning with a 2-hour window to enjoy my coffee and check out some of the forums' news.  Second, I have no idea whom has visited Disneyworld from the UK, so I am unaware that Sally has every been there.  Thirdly, my husband works in the UK and flies home every four months or so.  He has to change planes at one of the U.S.airport hubs to catch the only flight into our nearby airports.  Both his last flight home and his flight out in June, the flights were completely full of mostly tourists from the UK.  He asked why so many were present and the flight attendant told him that it was the only flight to Orlando, FL for people going to Disneyworld.  She said all summer most of the flights would be mostly UK tourists going to Disneyworld.  Again, to each their own, but large theme parks have never been my cup of tea even though we took our kids to many of them when they were growing up.
 
anatora
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: Whiteface July 11, 2011, 12:55:22 PM
...aimed at those people who say 'Oh yeah, I've got a list, I really should put an order in...' Those people, I'm asking to put that order in...just that those who haven't bought yet chip in now if they truly like the stuff they say they like.
:paranoid2: OK, OK...convinced. The Trenchies have been "high on my list" way too long...

Whiteface / Oliver
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: libertee July 11, 2011, 02:53:18 PM
I received a message from Sally which I thought the answer would be appropriate here since this is the thread she responded to:

Quote from: anatora on July 09, 2011, 04:39:06 PM

    ....(Unlike most Brits, I don't like theme park vacations anyway - too crowded, to0 expensive, too far to travel...) ...


hope this wasnt a dig at us for letting my brother take us away on holiday last year..?


I thought a general answer here would cover all other UK people who might have reacted to my statement based on their own experience.  First and foremost, I seldom read posts on any forum at any website.  Sometimes I have a  morning with a 2-hour window to enjoy my coffee and check out some of the forums' news.  Second, I have no idea whom has visited Disneyworld from the UK, so I am unaware that Sally has every been there.  Thirdly, my husband works in the UK and flies home every four months or so.  He has to change planes at one of the U.S.airport hubs to catch the only flight into our nearby airports.  Both his last flight home and his flight out in June, the flights were completely full of mostly tourists from the UK.  He asked why so many were present and the flight attendant told him that it was the only flight to Orlando, FL for people going to Disneyworld.  She said all summer most of the flights would be mostly UK tourists going to Disneyworld.  Again, to each their own, but large theme parks have never been my cup of tea even though we took our kids to many of them when they were growing up.
 
anatora

I am at a loss as to why a simple question sent in a personal message would be published on open forum?  I tried to ascertain if i had done anything to p**s you off in private as your messages on this topic seem to be aggressive-toned and in all of the years that i have known you this is not like you.

Obviously i have p**ssed you off, how?  i have no idea what i have done except to ask a question to clarify something, could you not have replied back in the PM?
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: anatora July 11, 2011, 05:12:27 PM
Quote from: anatora on July 10, 2011, 10:54:09 PM

    I received a message from Sally which I thought the answer would be appropriate here since this is the thread she responded to:

    Quote from: anatora on July 09, 2011, 04:39:06 PM

        ....(Unlike most Brits, I don't like theme park vacations anyway - too crowded, to0 expensive, too far to travel...) ...


    hope this wasnt a dig at us for letting my brother take us away on holiday last year..?


    I thought a general answer here would cover all other UK people who might have reacted to my statement based on their own experience.  First and foremost, I seldom read posts on any forum at any website.  Sometimes I have a  morning with a 2-hour window to enjoy my coffee and check out some of the forums' news.  Second, I have no idea whom has visited Disneyworld from the UK, so I am unaware that Sally has every been there.  Thirdly, my husband works in the UK and flies home every four months or so.  He has to change planes at one of the U.S.airport hubs to catch the only flight into our nearby airports.  Both his last flight home and his flight out in June, the flights were completely full of mostly tourists from the UK.  He asked why so many were present and the flight attendant told him that it was the only flight to Orlando, FL for people going to Disneyworld.  She said all summer most of the flights would be mostly UK tourists going to Disneyworld.  Again, to each their own, but large theme parks have never been my cup of tea even though we took our kids to many of them when they were growing up.
     
    anatora



"I am at a loss as to why a simple question sent in a personal message would be published on open forum?"

The tone and words of the "simple question" were out of line.  If it had been followed by a smiley, I wold have taken it in a light hearted manner.  As it was, I could only feel that you were upset at the statement.

"I tried to ascertain if i had done anything to p**s you off in private"

That was where I was confused as well on reading the message since nothing I said to Andy was directed at anyone else.  You never entered my mind. 

"...your messages on this topic seem to be aggressive-toned and in all of the years that i have known you this is not like you."

I do not consider or think that any message I have made on this topic as been aggressive-toned.  I like Andy and only offered him the same advise that his accountant or financial adviser would have given him.  Unwise business practices (of which he stated many in his posts), regardless of the company, can be corrected if they are defined.  Taking charge of your business and getting it on a sound footing seems better than having to beg or threaten customers (hence the title of this thread).

" Obviously i have p**ssed you off, how?  i have no idea what i have done except to ask a question to clarify something,"

As I said, you never entered my mind when I made the advise post to Andy.  I also like you, so we can conclude you didn't do anything to p**ss me off.  If you had, i would have posted on your forums, not Heresy's.

" ...could you not have replied back in the PM?"

I really do not like unexpected PMs that uses words like "a dig at us".  Now that seems to be hostile, especially when my  statement was meant as an example why Andy could consider fore-going expensive vacations or personal purchases until his business is more stable.  It had nothing to do with you, and as I said, I had no idea that you ever visited Disneyland. I really don't read many of your forums.

The real reason I would not respond to a private PM that contained those words was as I stated in that same post: "I thought a general answer here would cover all other UK people who might have reacted to my statement based on their own experience."  Many people like a vacation once a year; some like vacations every 2 months; some  don't like them at all.  It is a matter of taste and a matter of what you can afford.  A large number of British citizens happen to like themed vacations.  Nothing wrong with that...I just happen to be a person who does not. 

anatora
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: anatora July 11, 2011, 05:17:03 PM
I send my apologies to all readers that this thread was hijacked in such a negative way, so I think all posts from here on should be to help Andy and offer constructive advise as you have been doing.

Anatora
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: perceptionistruth July 11, 2011, 05:24:24 PM
some stuff

So, in summary, if I may.  You thought something someone else wrote was antagonistic but can't understand why they thought something you wrote was antagonistic?

If someone replies in PM, you should keep it in PM.  The word Private means something.
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: Big Boris July 11, 2011, 05:32:33 PM
I haven't ever been on an expensive vacation in years. If you don't count a week in Dorset 4 years ago, or a week in a borrowed timeshare flat for my honeymoon, then I've never been on one. Any time i've taken off has always been spent at home due to lack of funds. Hence me saying what I really needed was a holiday away form it all.

As for personal purchases, "I wish."
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: Big Boris July 11, 2011, 05:50:29 PM
(I did buy a new TV recently but only because my old one broke down. I still haven't finished paying for it)
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: anatora July 11, 2011, 06:04:58 PM
@Perceptionistruth:  Your summery is not correct or is it truth.

@ Big Boris:  My apologies for assuming your statement "Which I had to do to sell my house. Which I am trying to do to pay off the crippling loans. Which I had to get to pay for something personal which I will not discuss on here, and to live in the house. meant a "personal purchase".  I understand the "something personal" can mean anything and can be something that comes up expectedly or unexpectedly to wipe out any financial means you have.   And as for holidays, I think they are overrated.  You tire yourself out getting ready for one, you tire yourself out getting to the place, tire yourself out trying to relax, then tire yourself out getting home.  When you get home, you are so tired that you usually need a vacation to recover from your holiday. 
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: Vermis July 11, 2011, 06:41:26 PM
your messages on this topic seem to be aggressive-toned

In my view, it mostly looks that way compared to all the cooing and petting that normally goes on in the FoD.  It feels like Alan Sugar barging in on a market research session with Mumsnet.

I'll admit I threw some money at the problem myself, but money that was going to Heresy anyway, for something I wanted.  A while ago I had a look at a boxful of FoD minis that I have only a vague interest in painting or using (at best), and realised I was starting to treat Heresy like a tin being rattled in my direction.  I can see elements of it in here, in this thread and others.  Not an ideal situation, and I've wanted to say something, but it's beyond my wit and wisdom to suggest a clear alternative.
(Except to say that I don't buy so much from Heresy anymore because there's little I really want.  I have all or most of that already, and then some.  I'm sitting waiting to see what the next great thing is after the dragon, but maybe I could be more proactive in other parts of the forum.)

So yeah.  While I agree that the operative in 'private message' is private, I'mma gonna jump on the bandwagon with Anatora, Toosh and Gomez.  Don't want to see Heresy go under, but something has to give.
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: trueName July 11, 2011, 11:03:02 PM
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The tone and words of the "simple question" were out of line.  If it had been followed by a smiley, I wold have taken it in a light hearted manner.  As it was, I could only feel that you were upset at the statement.
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People used to be able to communicate without smileys back when people wrote letters.

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A large number of British citizens happen to like themed vacations.
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Not quite sure where you get this generalisation from - most people I know enjoy artistic/cultural holidays, short city breaks, walking or not going on holiday in fact.  Although I do know someone who went to disneyworld.  Some flights to florida from the UK being packed with tourists in the holiday season doesn't really tell you anything.

The UK population is about 62 million.  Looking at the statistics, about 4 million visits to North America (not 4 million individuals) are made annually (roughly 80% of that for holidays).  They won't all be going for a "themed holiday".

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My apologies for assuming your statement "Which I had to do to sell my house. Which I am trying to do to pay off the crippling loans. Which I had to get to pay for something personal which I will not discuss on here, and to live in the house. meant a "personal purchase".
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This is no way says to me "personal purchase".  I don't think I can even understand how it could have been taken that way.

And I think sharing the content of a private message in public like this without consent is really bad form.

On to something else...

I don't really buy many figures - if I'm being generous I've bought about a dozen in the last couple of years, one of them being the Heresy angel.  I don't like the "having piles of lead" thing - I did that somewhat as a kid and I get much more out of it now by buying and painting as I go along.

Something like the heresy dragon doesn't really appeal to me as I don't have the physical room for it or the money for it.  And personally I'm not too keen on how it looks, but that's subjective.

Maybe expanding the not doctor who range may be a suitable income generator?  Gargantuan monstrous ranges might be appealing, but might require more financial backing?  Working out a profit per weight thing might be useful?

Maybe a rethink of the business?  Being a socialist type, I can't see how firing people and working yourself into the ground could be a good thing though.

I hope your break helps/helped you out.

\aR/
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: Big Boris July 12, 2011, 08:37:20 AM
Not planning on firing anybody yet!  Unfair to blame this on Craig not being able to cast as well as me. He does all the other stuff that i don't want to and gets paid eff all for it.

As to cooing and petting, anybody who knows me will know how little I value that, so by all means if you feel strongly about something feel free to say it. It won't really change the situation, but it's good to know stuff.

Rattling the tin. Yes, fair accusation.
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: Tiacapan July 12, 2011, 11:11:43 AM
I for one would rather hear it how it is rather than have Andy suddenly post that he's gone out of business, this way we are kept properly up to date with the current situation whether good or bad. 

However, i think as with any business there probably are things that could be done to improve sales, please bear in mind that as a non-businessy type much of this could well be nonsense;

1) Find something of an identity for the range would be useful, it used to be monsters but now there's a wee bit of everything one sci-fi gang, a few troopers, the usual monsters, a couple of "not" figures, customs inspectors and a few units of creatures clearly appropritae for army building etc.  it can be difficult to find reasons to buy some of the figures because there isn't much to go with them (just my opinion you understand).

2) The success of Cutlass would indicate that figures may sell better if there are rules to go with them, look at GZG they give away all of their rules and while they don't insist you use their figures in their games they almost certainly sell loads more because there is a game to play.  perhaps you should redraft (or ask someone to give you a hand redrafting) Netherhells into a skirmish game and making it available as a free download?

3) Consider changing scales (or rather adding a new scale to the range), 15mm is growing in poularity due to cost and peopel tend to be more forgiving of having fewer different figures whenbuilding units at that scale.  If you look at mark Copplestone's new barbarians there are only ten figures currently available and yet the day they came out people were buying 5 or 6 packs to make a HOTT army, the same would go for GZG Stargrunt and others all of which are free rules sets.  Having seen your test figure a few years back i have no doubt that you are able to sculpt in this scale so it may be worth giving it a go?

Just a few thoughts of course.
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: Enazel July 12, 2011, 11:17:22 AM
Andy I been pimping your figures whenever I can where I can. :)

I got no idea how well the trenchcoat's have sold, but I guessing reasonable well, what about small skimrish level gangs along the same lines, be it fantasy or sci-fi. Plenty of systems which have hard to get models for now *cough*Necromunda / Mordhiem*cough* which your stuff is great for. expanding on your goblin line is another place i look at, I know that people love the models just limited range isn't helping, some hand weapon + shield / spear + shield guys be good.
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: Vermis July 12, 2011, 02:46:16 PM
1) Find something of an identity for the range would be useful, it used to be monsters but now there's a wee bit of everything one sci-fi gang, a few troopers, the usual monsters, a couple of "not" figures, customs inspectors and a few units of creatures clearly appropritae for army building etc.  it can be difficult to find reasons to buy some of the figures because there isn't much to go with them (just my opinion you understand).

That.

3) Consider changing scales (or rather adding a new scale to the range), 15mm is growing in poularity due to cost and peopel tend to be more forgiving of having fewer different figures whenbuilding units at that scale.

That too.  I remember the interest in 15mm sci-fi here a while ago, been watching the 15mm interest on places like TMP, and someone mentioned a netherhells revamp/pimping.  What if it could be revamped for 15mm?  I dunno if 15mm skirmish or dungeon crawling would be so bad - Pendraken seem to be happy enough with their 10mm version - and stuff can be easily sold for mass combat too.  Starter sets with multiple characters, creatures, and bundled rules?  Smaller (and more wallet-friendly) trademark giant gribbly Heresy monsters?  Expansion and scenario sets down the line...?

Though I know that might be more feasible after the end of the month, if all goes well.

Rattling the tin. Yes, fair accusation.

Not an accusation, except at myself.  But I don't think it's great if others start to see Heresy the same way, consciously or unconsciously.
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: Orc Man July 12, 2011, 02:50:45 PM
Well, I can see 15mm being a profitable option, though I myself wouldn't be into it. Particularly for large-scale wargames, I can see it being popular indeed.

But I would REALLY love to see you flesh out the Netherhells fluff. I loved all the old stuff and seeing it expanded upon in literary and miniature formats could really hook people into your fantasy range.

Just please don't stop doing 28mm.  :silly
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: Gomez Addams July 12, 2011, 07:26:10 PM
1) Find something of an identity for the range would be useful, it used to be monsters but now there's a wee bit of everything one sci-fi gang, a few troopers, the usual monsters, a couple of "not" figures, customs inspectors and a few units of creatures clearly appropritae for army building etc.  it can be difficult to find reasons to buy some of the figures because there isn't much to go with them (just my opinion you understand).

That. That all over.

I'd also toss my vote into the 15mm pile. Its not my thing I'll admit, but it does seem to be doing well and gaining popularity as prices increase and people adjust to keep gaming on the scale they like.

What you'll also find is that figures like the netherlord can be done at around the 28-32mm range, meaning he'll double up for people wanting daemon princes, Heralds etc.

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: beefcake July 12, 2011, 09:50:46 PM
Not that I want a change to 15mm, I love the 28mm stuff, but with 3d scanning you could scan all your current stuff and get them printed in 15mm scale which would cost a bunch I know but would save time sculpting a whole new range. Especially good for those large monsters. I would love to see the Netherhells rules printed.
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: Avicenna July 12, 2011, 10:07:44 PM
I'm not a 15mm guy, never will be - too darned small

But I think we had this discussion not too long ago, although I cant remember what the general consensus was :P

Edit: thinking about this more, moving to a completely different scale might lose Heresy those customers who cut their teeth on GW (like many of us) and to whom 28mm is gods own scale... May almost be like starting fresh
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: Klute July 12, 2011, 11:50:36 PM
15mm demonic army (yes it has been mentioned before).

Andy chained to sculpting desk, casting outsourced, Craig packing orders, running to catch Post Office before it closes and getting coffee and bacon butties for second breakfasts.

Jobs a good'un   :thumbup:
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: Vermis July 13, 2011, 12:09:46 AM
running to catch Post Office before it closes

That's a bleedin' job in itself, IMO.

Like Tiacapan I imagined adding a 15mm scale to the usual 28mm, though I realise that could cause problems.  Spreading ideas and resources too thin, maybe.  And with two ranges from the same supplier competing against eachother, it could lead to a kind of Specialist Games situation. (i.e. the slower seller gets shafted)

Gonna scoop out those old Harbinger issues and look at the rules again, anyway.
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: Citizen Sade July 13, 2011, 12:38:43 AM
I'm not a 15mm guy, never will be - too darned small
Amen! Don't do it,

15mm fans tend to be cheap. "Never mind the quality, feel the quantity". And that's if you're lucky ...
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: Vermis July 13, 2011, 01:08:20 AM
As a 6mm-54mm fan there are so many ways I can take exception to that. :P  For one, there are plenty of cheap 28mm fans too, or acronyms like OG and WF wouldn't be seen so much, and we wouldn't be having this discussion.  For another, quantity ain't always a bad thing, particularly if you boil it down to "Wow!  What a great 28mm character!  I'll buy one!" vs. "Wow!  What a great 15mm set!  I'll buy a dozen!"

And especially if done in Heresy's modern, attentive, quality style. ;)
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: leadhead July 13, 2011, 03:10:01 AM
I'm not a 15mm guy, never will be - too darned small

Well said.  As for the 'use it or loose it', I've been planning an order hoping to have cash to put it in soon.  Not cooing and petting, just stating fact.  :angel:
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: Tiacapan July 13, 2011, 07:40:29 AM
15mm fans tend to be cheap. "Never mind the quality, feel the quantity". And that's if you're lucky ...

Bit of a broad generalisation don't you think?  I'll refrain from getting into an argument over it, suffice to say I feel differently.

The point is that the current business model isn't working as well as hoped, adding something different could attract a completely different set of customers. 
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: Avicenna July 13, 2011, 08:22:54 AM
it could attract a completely different set of customers, but could also drive away the established customers - thats ok as long as the new outweighs the old.

I'd prefer Heresy to stick with 28mm but focus on specifics to build more of a cohesive 'range' - barbarians, goblinoids & demons, OR scifi gangs. I think that way they could keep their current customer base and start to pull in the skirmish wargamers. But I would, and I am most definitely not Andy's biggest customer :P
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: SteveB July 13, 2011, 08:34:33 AM
I think the idea of taking some of the ranges that you are building and keeping the focus mostly on those rather than starting major new projects is a good one. A brand new complete sci fi gang or fantasy race is a whole lot of sculpting work and tough going under current circumstances but even one new figure, chosen wisely, for a current range will hopefully drive sales of current stuff. Concentrate on figures that are going to be commercially popular but not too bulky to avoid the metal cost problem. Your basic sci fi troopers are nice but a few specialists might open up some sales for a low amount of work. And get them into one piece each if at all possible. You've sculpted the basic raw materials already.
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: beefcake July 13, 2011, 08:49:40 AM
 :metoo:
I've always been tempted by the sci-fi troopers but a heavy weapons specialist and a sergeant would round them off nicely.
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: Tiacapan July 13, 2011, 09:09:45 AM
but could also drive away the established customers

I don't really see how, are people going to stop buying 28mm figures because the manufacturer does an additional range that doesn't appeal to them?  There is room for more than one scale in a company's range.  Look at Mark Copplestone and GZG.  I doubt that they would agree with you.

I'm suggesting diversification into additional territory rather than abandoning 28mm completely.

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: Avicenna July 13, 2011, 10:07:17 AM
I'm suggesting diversification into additional territory rather than abandoning 28mm completely.

aaaaaaah ok!! I was missing that bit of important info, fair enough :) (serves me right for scan-reading the other posts) I was definitely not suggesting there isnt room for more than one scale, i'd probably go the other direction and want 28mm and 54mm :P

It certainly makes your suggestion food for thought, but I am still on the other side of the playground regarding 15mm, but that may just be personal preference as a former gamer and now just a painter. I tend to be of the SteveB school of thought
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: Tiacapan July 13, 2011, 10:41:27 AM
but that may just be personal preference as a former gamer and now just a painter

And that, I think is what makes the debate so interesting, I would imagine that painters tend to buy one (or possibly a couple) of any one figure to paint up.  Whereas I'm at the opposite end of the spectrum, as a gamer who can't paint at any more than a tabletop standard I'm much more interested in buying figures in bulk to make up units, hence my interest in the smaller scales.

Wargamers are much more likely to buy figures in large quantities to build armies and in smaller scales it is much more likely that figures will sell in large quantities.  For example Eureka minis do a range of 15mm samurai which are of reasonable quality for the scale.  They only have three variations of the Ashigaru figure with spear but if you're building an army you are still likely to buy a large number of castings (my own army has over 200 spearmen alone).  So for the sake of sculpting three figures, they have sold 300 to me alone.  Okay the value is lower but the going rate can be as high as £5 for 8 figures (eek, hope my missus doesn't read this).

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: SteveB July 13, 2011, 11:15:19 AM
Really don't think 15mm is the way to go. To make a go of that I think Andy would need to sculpt a lot of stuff to capture a proper audience. A massive sculpting project for an unsure market would just heap stress on. I'd say that the broad advice is to find small changes that can be made that will open things up rather than sweeping changes.
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: Twosoc July 13, 2011, 12:09:57 PM
Andy, do you even want to do 15mm?
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: libertee July 13, 2011, 12:43:52 PM
Andy, do you even want to do 15mm?

i bet he says "NO"
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: Tiacapan July 13, 2011, 12:56:02 PM
i bet he says "NO"

Andy, do you even want to do 15mm?

http://forum-of-doom.com/index.php?topic=9850.0 (http://forum-of-doom.com/index.php?topic=9850.0)
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: Big Boris July 13, 2011, 01:00:00 PM
Yes. Love to. Soz, Sal. :)


I did some dollies ages back but never got a chance to take it further.
Will do so at some point. But not until I have a stable cash flow that allows me the time to devote to it.

Maybe sci-fi, maybe fantasy, quite like the idea of fantasy but think sci-fi would sell more reliably as there is a huge market for it existing and people will always be interested in adding another unit. Only thing is that Khurasan Miniatures seem to be producing phenomenally good sculpts in that area for tanks etc so the bar is quite high these days.

First, though, I am concentrating on expanding the goblins and troopers. Well, after I've worked out all this Spyglass stuff - how much etc, add to cart, do all the pics, blah blah. Them and a secondary gang to go against the trenchies and that.

As to rules, yes that too, but again I tried to get some help with that at the time in terms of playtesting and things and it seemed that nobody was really able to help out.
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: DRAGON July 13, 2011, 07:02:34 PM
I must admit I have kind of exhausted my Heresy purchases due to the lack of new releases which is a shame because I really like Andy's stuff. I will be purchasing some of the Spyglass stuff which makes me feel a bit guilty for not supporting Steve more ! As to the 15mm idea, it wouldn't interest me  :shrug:
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: Twosoc July 13, 2011, 08:01:23 PM
would 15mm stuff be that popular? I know WWII stuff is all the rage at the moment but would fantasy and sci fi sell? What scale was epic? was it 6mm?
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: AKULA July 13, 2011, 08:21:55 PM
Not wishing to upset anyone, in particular, on this thread, but Andy is asking for those people who put off purchases again...and again....and again.... to cough up, as otherwise, Heresy won't be around when they do decide they want their toys.

If you don't want anything, or can't afford it, that's up to you, but save the business advice, or amateur psychology for another time - its not going to pay his mortgage. 

 :roll:

It doesn't cost you anything, other than a few minutes of your time, to remind a mate who mentioned they were after a Hürn, that they are available now (or never), or to pimp a range, or figure, on another forum, or even your blog.

Order placed, and Heresy Miniatures pimped.

Best of luck Andy.
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: Twosoc July 13, 2011, 08:25:26 PM
Oh, sorry Akula.
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: Orc Man July 13, 2011, 08:54:20 PM
Not wishing to upset anyone, in particular, on this thread, but Andy is asking for those people who put off purchases again...and again....and again.... to cough up, as otherwise, Heresy won't be around when they do decide they want their toys.

If you don't want anything, or can't afford it, that's up to you, but save the business advice, or amateur psychology for another time - its not going to pay his mortgage. 

Well, I don't see the problem with the advice, it's in response to the issues Heresy (and more importantly Andy) are facing right now. Got to think long term as well as short, you know. I placed an order a few days ago (which has arrived now, btw, thanks for the Drumstick!), but I felt chipping in to support some advice already given is worthwhile. Because, at the end of the day, Heresy wants to keep going, and that's not going to happen if all we do is place orders short term.

Market research is important, and some companies spend a lot on this kind of thing, we're just giving Andy our somewhat less professional opinions for free.

It doesn't hurt, so long as people remember that Heresy needs money right now to survive and make any improvements in the future.
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: AKULA July 13, 2011, 08:57:44 PM
Oh, sorry Akula.

wasn't aimed at you mate.

 :wink:

My point was, its all very well us all turning the thread into a discussion about, Andy making this that or the other.... "in future"....what he needs right now, is preferably hard cash, or at least some assistance in drumming up more biz, to meet the bills he has right now, otherwise the rest won't matter.

I do think there are steps, Heresy could take, in terms of ranges, marketing etc, and it is worth having a constructive thread about that sort of thing, but right now, the best thing I can do, is give him what biz I can, and find a few extra customers, if possible.

Now if that does upset anyone on this thread, feel free to be annoyed at me, you won't be the first.
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: Gomez Addams July 13, 2011, 09:13:21 PM
Thing is some of us have already done that Matt, as others have pointed out its all well and good people making a purchase to help keep heresy afloat but if there's a bigger problem (or problems) to deal with, then it isn't sustainable long term. And theres only so many times people can keep promoting it to friends.

If everything goes well and the four and a half grand is paid this month, what about next month? Lets say Craig were to work for free and I volunteered on my days off - that still doesn't really address the cash flow issue I don't think (correct me if I'm wrong here Andy), which is tied to the product itself.

Hence the suggestion for 15mm. Its cheap, its dirty, and theres a market. Yes others might be doing higher quality, but there definitely charging for it, and it doesn't necessarily have to be a long term thing. If there wasn't so much owed in such a short time I'd suggest a female gang - that way you have cross sales and your supporting an existing range. Thats not possible. Spyglass might generate a pile of sales but it depends on what spyglass models, how quick andy can get them into production etc. As it stands, and having seen how popular those copplestone barbarians have been - cheap and dirty seems best.

Theres also option number 3 (or 20, CBA counting how many have been suggested) - sell a section of the range. I can't imagine you ever selling the dragon, but I'm sure someone would take your fantasy adventurers, which you were intending to re-do anyway, and are being replaced by the spyglass range.
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: Twosoc July 13, 2011, 09:42:07 PM
wasn't aimed at you mate.

Doesn't matter even it it were dude, we're all adults.  :D

In my opinion, this thread doesn't come across as tin rattling at all. Like others have said, I'd rather know about it before hand than log on one day and there be no Heresy. I think it says a lot that people are going out of their way to spend their own free time genuinely trying to help Andy and Craig out.  I know its not the done thing to say anything that can be seen as against the flow, (as poor Lostboy found out) but ias long as its helpful advice I personally don't see whats wrong with offering it, Andy is under no obligation to act on it, nor have we seen him complaining about people suggesting things.

I personally would hate to see Andy go under, not just cos he's a nice guy but the armoured Big Boris was one of the first non GW figures I bought when I discovered that there was life outside GW, so I owe heresy a debt of gratitude for showing me another option..  I've bought most of the fantasy range over the years since then and thats possibly the problem, I've run out of models in the genre I collect.  Maybe others have too. I don't think the few orders a year I put in for procreate will help pay the bills much.

Anyway, just a few thoughts.

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: Orc Man July 13, 2011, 10:46:49 PM
armoured Big Boris was one of the first non GW figures I bought when I discovered that there was life outside GW

It was the first I bought (well, okay, there were a few other bits in the order with him), must be something about that mini. I really should buy another one in next month's order, so I can have both helmeted and bare-faced versions!

In fact... An armoured Boris Mk. 2 would be really awesome!

Back on topic, selling some of the range could work out for ya. I mean, you've been intending to redo the adventurers for the most part for quite some time now (and I just bought my 2 paladins, which were the last old adventurers I wanted :lalala:) Remaking them in fewer parts to cut future costs and selling on the old versions might make you a bit of cash.

Also maybe remaking some retired figures could be a good move. I still hear talk of the Waspquitoes and Lurkers pretty often (hell, I am in the process of getting some Lurkers right now). New, better versions could draw back those who missed them the first time so long as they aren't too different from the original sculpts.

All that said, I know sod all about running a miniatures company, I don't know what your sales are/were like on those items, and what chance there is of you making a decent profit doing any of those suggestions, and I think everyone else here should acknowledge that this little disclaimer applies to their advice too.

I'm behind any Netherhells revival all the way, though. Especially if you make your orc concepts into minis! Realistically (physically plausible) proportioned orcs would sell VERY well I think, since that's the biggest complaint I see with most 28mm orcs.
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: Tiacapan July 13, 2011, 10:58:19 PM
If you don't want anything, or can't afford it, that's up to you, but save the business advice, or amateur psychology for another time - its not going to pay his mortgage.

Fair enough I suppose, rather than derail the thread further I'll refrain from further comment.
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: Vermis July 14, 2011, 01:21:23 AM
In my opinion, this thread doesn't come across as tin rattling at all.

I feel a kind of reluctant ownership of that phrase. :P  So again, I didn't aim it at Andy.  Like he says, the thread is aimed at fairweather customers, and nothing wrong with a business saying 'Hey, buy my stuff!"  The thing I'm worried about is...

I think it says a lot that people are going out of their way to spend their own free time genuinely trying to help Andy and Craig out.

Which is brilliant, and I'm not knocking the authenticity of feeling or the role of customer loyalty.  But something in the back on my inexpert amateur head agrees that loyal custom settling into a charity mindset isn't a great thing.  Not for the long term; and this is and has been the long term.  We're, like, already in the future, man!
I want to see Heresy clear this hump, but I want to see it break the cycle too.  The hardcore fanbase's scraping and pimping hasn't broken it yet.

I personally would hate to see Andy go under, not just cos he's a nice guy but... I discovered that there was life outside GW, so I owe heresy a debt of gratitude for showing me another option.

Yup.  A little ad in the back of Thrud #1, for me.

...and I think everyone else here should acknowledge that this little disclaimer applies to their advice too.

Definitely.  But just go do a couple of searches, maybe a spot of poll-taking about 15mm on TMP or elsewhere. ;)
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: Balgin Stondraeg July 14, 2011, 02:03:35 AM
Perhaps some orcs to go with the goblins.
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: leadhead July 14, 2011, 02:52:28 AM
I'd like to see goblins given thier due.  Set up as thier own force without big stupid orcs kicking them around.  A race apart from orcs not as some slave/distant genetic relation/cannon fodder group.

But this isn't a suggestion thread.  This is a 'hey, need to generate more sales or there could be trouble, just letting you know' thread.
: Re: Use it or lose it. Heresy's future...
: Big Boris July 14, 2011, 07:39:56 AM
Perhaps some orcs to go with the goblins.

Perhaps some goblins to go with the goblins first! But orcs are planned. They were supposed to be done before the goblins, in fact. But I liked the goblins more.
: Re: Use it or lose it. Heresy's future...
: Avicenna July 14, 2011, 11:08:18 AM
But this isn't a suggestion thread.  This is a 'hey, need to generate more sales or there could be trouble, just letting you know' thread.

But this is the Forum of Doom - the whole place is 'Off Topic' :P

More Goblins can only be a good thing ;)
: Re: Use it or lose it. Heresy's future...
: Big Boris July 14, 2011, 11:11:28 AM
(Planning a giant hairy tarantula for them as well. GW Arachnarok spider sized!)
: Re: Use it or lose it. Heresy's future...
: Penfold July 14, 2011, 11:21:35 AM
Andy are you planing on any other mounted troops (ie wolfs) ?   :D Please
: Re: Use it or lose it. Heresy's future...
: Big Boris July 14, 2011, 11:27:14 AM
Well, yes, but they're so far into the future that I'd rather not say yes too emphatically and get everyone all excited for something that might not happen for yonks. Lots to do before that point!
: Re: Use it or lose it. Heresy's future...
: Penfold July 14, 2011, 12:06:57 PM
 :notworthy: great news with your Goblins and Kev's Dwarfs my 1988 armies book will be in for some use again  :boing:
: Re: Use it or lose it. Heresy's future...
: Big Boris July 14, 2011, 12:10:11 PM
Also, don't expect wolves as such, more like big snarly riding monsters. ;)
: Re: Use it or lose it. Heresy's future...
: Penfold July 14, 2011, 12:26:52 PM
That's OK I'll make you a deal you make I'll buy them OK  :wink:
: Re: Use it or lose it. Heresy's future...
: Avicenna July 14, 2011, 12:49:43 PM
That's OK I'll make you a deal you make I'll buy them OK  :wink:

And we are back on topic again :D

I dont think you're alone in that sentiment Penfold! "If you sculpt it, they will sell"
: Re: Use it or lose it. Heresy's future...
: voltan July 14, 2011, 01:02:22 PM
Planning a giant hairy tarantula

Fnar
: Re: Use it or lose it. Heresy's future...
: Mister Feral July 14, 2011, 07:59:53 PM
I put in a small order for a Ghoul King and the Dark Brethren, always have fancied those models.

I hope things sort themselves out soon for you. :lalala:
: Re: Use it or lose it. Heresy's future...
: Setvenharis July 14, 2011, 09:25:07 PM
Hey Andy...I know they won't be a priority for you, but I read rumours you were attempting to sculpt Sontarans.....I'd gladly buy a dozen of those from you (You know my love of those spudheads).
: Re: Use it or lose it. Heresy's future...
: beefcake July 14, 2011, 09:27:16 PM
(Planning a giant hairy tarantula for them as well. GW Arachnarok spider sized!)

Sounds awesome. Any plans for smaller spiders?
: Re: Use it or lose it. Heresy's future...
: Gangrel July 15, 2011, 01:09:02 PM
Hey Andy...I know they won't be a priority for you, but I read rumours you were attempting to sculpt Sontarans.....I'd gladly buy a dozen of those from you (You know my love of those spudheads).

I've seen some partially completed greens - wonderful! I'd buy 'em in a heartbeat.
: Re: Use it or lose it. Heresy's future...
: Dethkor July 15, 2011, 02:39:57 PM
I'd be in for some spudheads also.
: Re: Use it or lose it. Heresy's future...
: leadhead July 15, 2011, 03:26:54 PM
Used, not abused.  First Heresy order in  :thumbup:
: Re: Use it or lose it. Heresy's future...
: by-tor July 15, 2011, 04:52:05 PM
thirty grand would bail a lot of us small business out of the sh1t  but with so many people wondering weather theyll have a job next month nobody's spending , will order when i can but 20 quids worth of juice dosent last a day in the truck
: Re: Use it or lose it. Heresy's future...
: t-tauri July 15, 2011, 09:32:01 PM
15 mm is only popular with a very vocal subset on TMP.

Look at what sells the best for you and do more of them. The dragon has been an enormous resource sink. Try and avoid that again.

Are the gangers selling well? Do more "not"Necro gangs. Ash wastes and high tech van saar would be great. Hürn selling well? Do more. Try and exploit your strengths rather than trying to diversify into ranges which are another stab in the dark.
: Re: Use it or lose it. Heresy's future...
: Bungle July 16, 2011, 03:46:11 PM
Andy...

How are these coming along

(http://www.heresyminiatures.com/images/wip/newimprovedmodelcop.jpg)

can you put a new face on this?

(http://www.heresyminiatures.com/images/wip/vermissianprophet.jpg)


maybe being inspired by

(http://lh6.ggpht.com/-1p1a4vNzvD4/SrkAhzwdR6I/AAAAAAAAAH4/7m5TuA-S-eU/blade-2-vampire-01.jpg)

(http://api.ning.com/files/T5b20fTtL3gy6PmiYMHN5-5FUex*qW8fBboB2OsUwuFplrV7itywOS0ZziMAwQjacdSHwf1HxSrX-iGsvBUROp-8baPRxA*g/blade2reaper.jpg)

(http://www.moviemobsters.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/predator22222.jpg)

(http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/predalien1.jpg)

but with extra arms




saw these and thought of your trucker project
(http://richworks.in/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/343.jpg)

: Re: Use it or lose it. Heresy's future...
: Balgin Stondraeg July 16, 2011, 06:31:26 PM
I'd like to see goblins given thier due.  Set up as thier own force without big stupid orcs kicking them around.  A race apart from orcs not as some slave/distant genetic relation/cannon fodder group.

But this isn't a suggestion thread.  This is a 'hey, need to generate more sales or there could be trouble, just letting you know' thread.

But.

But

Goblins are orc children who haven't grown up yet  :shock:.
: Re: Use it or lose it. Heresy's future...
: leadhead July 16, 2011, 09:30:08 PM
I'd like to see goblins given thier due.  Set up as thier own force without big stupid orcs kicking them around.  A race apart from orcs not as some slave/distant genetic relation/cannon fodder group.

But this isn't a suggestion thread.  This is a 'hey, need to generate more sales or there could be trouble, just letting you know' thread.

But.

But

Goblins are orc children who haven't grown up yet  :shock:.

ppppbbbbbbbbttttt! to that!
: Re: Use it or lose it. Heresy's future...
: beefcake July 16, 2011, 10:23:00 PM
 :metoo:

On a different topic, if you were ever to go with plastics (I know I know they cost a huge amount to set up) I think you would be onto a winner with the goblins. If people are buying goblins they generally need to buy tonnes of them, and if you had a sprue that could double as archers and close combat then they might sell well. I'd buy quite a lot of them. Just a thought (probably put you in more debt though  :shock:)
: Re: Use it or lose it. Heresy's future...
: Gibius July 17, 2011, 01:21:45 PM
Well this thread prompted me to finally order in the Tunnel Guard with slugs. Always loved those figures. In fact, I utterly adore all your "dark fantasy" stuff and am doing an entire project with it. Expect more business. I hope things pick up soon!
: Re: Use it or lose it. Heresy's future...
: fog99uk July 18, 2011, 12:36:05 AM
A better organised online store would help.
- The ton of banners and the massive pre-orders link, as well as everything from 'Special Requests' downwards really do not need to be on every page.
- The model images are too small to really tell what the figure looks like when scrolling through a page.

These things may not be a problem for die-hard Heresy fans, but for the casual buyer they are really off-putting.


Personally I doubt I'll be placing an order until I get my dragon.
: Re: Use it or lose it. Heresy's future...
: Captain_Jack July 18, 2011, 11:27:20 AM
Now this is certainly news that makes one furrow their brow in concern.  I haven't posted anything here in a while as I don't spend nearly as much time as I used to on the interwebs  but I do make a point of checking in now and then.  When I first joined the FoD it was not so much about the products as it was about the calibre of the work being done here and the community in general.  As a hobbyist, I don't so much as buy minis for how they are but more to how I may modify them to suit my own disparate image and sense of aesthetics, hence why I will gravitate to plastics for the ease of which I may butcher (and I do mean butcher, down to cutting textures off and applying them elsewhere and rectifying the posture of GW Orks.  As I am currently watching a show on Gorillas, it becomes clear that Brian Nelson used Gorillas as a key reference source when developing the Ork sprue.) and the variety of components.  The (comparatively) few metal models in my collection though occupy their own tier of hierarchy as strong pieces in their own right.  I suppose this is why I use those brilliant heresy ghouls as my scale comparison pieces when I take photos of my own sculpts (usually with a GW fig as well to communicate its scale with the industry giant).

Now I make no pretenses about buying the models, but I do delight in studying them as I am not so much a purchaser of miniatures, more of a sculptor in training, I keep coming back here as my first stop for seeing new and epic wining greens (I think I just said everything in the above paragraph in a different way there).  Personally when it comes to miniatures, I don't have any interest in 15mm but I will agree that a more focussed approach to existing lines is the best approach.  I feel that all of the "not versions" of certain characters, while fun, are actually a hindrance but this thought more comes from hindsight as I am guilty of "not versioning" concepts myself.  Sometimes they are just too niche.  Their value could probably be justified as a limited edition release (thus justifying a higher price tag if the editions are numbered and editioned). I certainly appreciate that they are fun to make and there can be some excitement around their niche references but I don't really see this excitement extending past the FoD itself and maybe frothers (though I could just be hitting the wrong circles of the interwebbery).

Frankly I'd offer my services to sculpt for Andy for free but I do do feel I have been too much of a flake in the past for him to consider it and I certainly wouldn't blame him.
 :twocents:

EDIT: you know what, that's a load of toss.  I could just as easily have summed that up to say  do less "not versions" of things and do more Andy things.  That's a much simpler sentence but probably makes as much sense. :p
: Re: Use it or lose it. Heresy's future...
: TheGremlin July 18, 2011, 04:35:09 PM
I would questionng doing a spider, when both GW and Otherworld already do giant spiders, and it appears to have limited appeal - aside from the cool factor, not many will need it, let alone mpre than one. Also, it's another 'big' project which lots of posters have already questioned. However, you sounded pretty stoked about scultping it, and omo, that is the surest way to success. If you are doing stuff you hate, not only is it almost not worth doing, but is more likely to end in failure.
: Re: Use it or lose it. Heresy's future...
: Vermis July 18, 2011, 10:28:38 PM
I would questionng doing a spider, when both GW and Otherworld already do giant spiders

But the one Andy would sculpt wouldn't look like a limp, rubber, halloween toy.

I would not allow it.

:spank:

(Also, T-Tauri: are they the negigible minority keeping Khurasan, GZG etc. in business?)
: Re: Use it or lose it. Heresy's future...
: t-tauri July 19, 2011, 06:53:52 PM


(Also, T-Tauri: are they the negigible minority keeping Khurasan, GZG etc. in business?)

As opposed to those keeping GW, Privateer, Mantic, Perry and pretty much every other company with more than three employees in business? Yes they are very much a negligible minority.

People saying they'll buy your 15mm ranges is a long way from those people putting up the money. All I'm saying is Andy knows what sells best. He needs to look at those ranges and work on spinning off from them. "Not" Bloodbowl keeps a few manufacturers going. I'd wager that some "not" Necromunda ranges usable for post Apocalypse would go down well.
: Re: Use it or lose it. Heresy's future...
: supervike July 20, 2011, 04:50:35 PM
So, if I'm buying my Heresy miniatures from online retailers, is that helping or no?
: Re: Use it or lose it. Heresy's future...
: Bungle July 20, 2011, 05:03:46 PM
So, if I'm buying my Heresy miniatures from online retailers, is that helping or no?

I'd say yes, better than you not buying them or buying something else.

But Andy gets the retailers cut too if you buy direct from him, so its better for his pocket. :wink:
: Re: Use it or lose it. Heresy's future...
: Gibius July 20, 2011, 06:45:49 PM
Some "Not-Necromunda and Mordheim" would probably turn things around for Heresy. The number of people I know who LOVE these specialist games but can't get hold of models they need for it is immense. There are podcasts going on about these games and saying how great they are but the footnote is always "but getting the models is a pain". Would be much better if they were saying "go to Heresy miniatures for some great alternatives for this" etc...
: Re: Use it or lose it. Heresy's future...
: Vermis July 20, 2011, 09:17:22 PM
As opposed to those keeping GW, Privateer, Mantic, Perry and pretty much every other company with more than three employees in business?

As in, 'the ones not buying enough 28mm from Heresy to keep one unpaid employee on'?

People saying they'll buy your 15mm ranges is a long way from those people putting up the money. All I'm saying is Andy knows what sells best.

He also knows about people saying they'll buy his 28mm ranges. ;)

Just to clarify, I'm not saying 15mm will absolutely be a glorious revival for Heresy.  Speaking for myself it's an idle suggestion from one casual hobbyist (who's seen little bits and pieces of a trend).  I'm not kidding myself there.  The thing that's rubbing me up the wrong way is that you are. ;)
: Re: Use it or lose it. Heresy's future...
: Avicenna July 21, 2011, 08:53:57 AM
This 28mm vs 15mm argument will go round and round in circles because we are all missing one massive point - if Heresy produce more miniatures they will sell more miniatures. The dragon has been an enormous resource sink and now that is pretty much over Monsier Foster can turn his attention to something else and we'll hopefully see more Heresy Minis in the near future!

: Re: Use it or lose it. Heresy's future...
: Big Boris July 21, 2011, 09:20:05 AM
Hopefully so, if  I ever FINISH THIS :tantrum: :tantrum: :tantrum: :tantrum: :tantrum: :tantrum: SHOPPING CART INSTALL.
: Re: Use it or lose it. Heresy's future...
: Enazel July 21, 2011, 09:54:37 AM
O dear Andy, fighting webcode I take it.
: Re: Use it or lose it. Heresy's future...
: Daemonslave July 21, 2011, 03:58:57 PM
Made my contribution - just bought the Ghoul Horde. Hope it helps  :smile:
: Re: Use it or lose it. Heresy's future...
: Big Boris July 21, 2011, 10:30:38 PM
So, what do all you whingey buggers think about the new shopping cart so far? Needs a lot of work yet to make it look smarter, but that's all bells and whistles (ones I need to carefully study to work out how to ring and blow) as the main thing is the pics of minis and ability to pay for them.

(I know there's a lot of generic sentences where I haven't updated the text from the initial install and the warning about the database thingy...)

http://www.heresyminiatures.com/shop

It's taken me all bleedin' week so far, 7am to 11.30pm.
: Re: Use it or lose it. Heresy's future...
: leadhead July 21, 2011, 10:40:27 PM
I think it'll work out great.  Can't wait to get my next order in (but I'll have to as I'm flat broke).
: Re: Use it or lose it. Heresy's future...
: Big Boris July 21, 2011, 10:45:46 PM
Made my contribution - just bought the Ghoul Horde. Hope it helps  :smile:

It does! Thanks!
: Re: Use it or lose it. Heresy's future...
: Big Boris July 21, 2011, 10:47:06 PM
So, if I'm buying my Heresy miniatures from online retailers, is that helping or no?

We do much better with direct sales. We only have three retailers, one of whom only orders from us when people order from him, so it's quicker to order direct from us!
: Re: Use it or lose it. Heresy's future...
: ink the troll July 21, 2011, 10:58:05 PM
if only i had known the zombies would be added this fast!

shop's looking good - i also like the little things like 'the best kept secret in the miniatures industry'
: Re: Use it or lose it. Heresy's future...
: Big Boris July 21, 2011, 11:02:29 PM
To be fair, though, the zombies aren't quite available yet - got a lot of casting, cleaning up of masters and production mould-making to do over the next two weeks!
: Re: Use it or lose it. Heresy's future...
: Orc Man July 21, 2011, 11:50:43 PM
Lookin' good, Andy! I like it, and I hope this helps the business a lot.

EDIT: Oh. My. God.

You have Korg on here! Expect another order from me very soon!
: Re: Use it or lose it. Heresy's future...
: leadhead July 22, 2011, 01:30:57 AM
Made my contribution - just bought the Ghoul Horde. Hope it helps  :smile:

It does! Thanks!

Makes me feel gooder about buying the dark brethren full coven deal then.  Too bad for me that I'm ludicrously impatient.  *sits on hands and bites lip*
: Re: Use it or lose it. Heresy's future...
: joshuaslater July 22, 2011, 02:14:25 AM
Andy, is there any way to get more Cultists in the Heresy range?

I would like some with sword/flail and shield, and maybe some with crossbows.  A character or two wouldn't hurt either.

I will order some gobbos when I've some cash.   8:::

Peace out, homie.
: Re: Use it or lose it. Heresy's future...
: leadhead July 22, 2011, 03:29:36 AM
Flails would be cool.
: Re: Use it or lose it. Heresy's future...
: beefcake July 22, 2011, 04:01:41 AM
not-mordheim stuff. I would snap that up in an instant.
: Re: Use it or lose it. Heresy's future...
: tumblebomb July 22, 2011, 09:23:51 PM
As to the new store: much better it seems.
 As to the rest of the issues being discussed:   Seriously I'd hate Heresy not to be around. I am a fan, one who despite loving the models has an ever growing list to buy and may only just be getting to the point where I can afford to. I certainly have purchased things in the past. Probably the same for a lot of folk,  and I don't think we cause an issue by excitedly window shopping and drooling.

It seems all business is hard work, for some it goes smoother than others (them the breaks) but it takes major cohones to go as far as Andy has, I'd have chickened out way early.  DON'T anyone here pretend they can do it better, pass judgement, or act like they know it all. As someone who has rarely had things just dropped on my plate I know what its like to work hard for little return, as many here also do I'm sure, so utmost respect to the man. You can't fault it.   With my health I couldn't even comtemplate the workload.

It seems the issue often with some companies they make the highest quality products and suffer but companies with inferior standards and service are laughing all the way to the bank. Whether they are cheaper or more expensive it seems not to matter. I can't say I understand why or can offer any business advice just that I hope things pick up and settle down a bit, any wips I've seen are as great as ever.   All the best.
: Re: Use it or lose it. Heresy's future...
: Daemonslave July 24, 2011, 11:51:55 PM
Hi, although a newbie here on the forums, I have lurked for a while and I'm also a long time buyer of some of Andy's stuff (I'm the proud owner of a Heresy Mark 1 Netherlord - still haven't painted him yet though). Anyway, you mentioned earlier about possibly handing over casting duties to Troll Forged. Can I just say I think that would be a great idea.

Trollforged's range is mostly made up of sculptors still learning their trade, and does show a bit in some of the models produced by them, so having someone with your skill and already substantial range would be good for them as well as yourself. It would allow you to cast your larger creatures for cheap (especially if Ed's new resin/plastic mix proves effective - it's already super cheap and has better results than another companies resin/plastic attempt).

The main issues that I see are that he is across the pond, so shipping things back and for to be casted might be more expensive, and how Ed does the royalty scheme (You'd probably not get as much money as you are now, but you wouldn't have to pay moulding and metal costs either). Plus you'd have to think about distribution - would you let Trollforged sell your range or just cast your stuff and then send it to you in bulk for you to sell here.

Either way, I think it's a viable solution to your problems (anyway, just a suggestion).  :smile:
: Re: Use it or lose it. Heresy's future...
: Orc Man July 25, 2011, 02:57:26 PM
I thought he was talking about discussing the formula for Ed's new plastic stuff with him, in the hopes of negotiating a deal whereby Heresy get let in on the secret.

I think the logistics of having products cast across the ocean would be a bit of a headache, but then again, I don't know much about this sort of thing.
: Re: Use it or lose it. Heresy's future...
: leadhead July 25, 2011, 07:47:48 PM
 :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

My dark brethren just arrived in the mail!  6 business days to Canada!

Great stuff, thanks guys

 :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:
: Re: Use it or lose it. Heresy's future...
: Graccus July 28, 2011, 07:47:42 PM
Hi, Andy.

Just wondering: are you anywhere near the goal yet?  8:::
I might be able to loan you the money otherwise,
but I'm not sure you would want to discuss such things on the forum.

If you'r interested please contact me at ccg AT ducosim DOT nl.
And yes, this is a serious offer.
Don't like to see your company go down if I can help.

Kind regards,

Graccus.
: Re: Use it or lose it. Heresy's future...
: tumblebomb July 28, 2011, 09:17:08 PM
Do this not seem to everyone like:  LOVELY SPAM, WONDERFUL SPAM, SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAAAAMM!!

-if its not, hell nice to know but seriously would anyone take up that?

: Re: Use it or lose it. Heresy's future...
: Graccus July 28, 2011, 10:20:37 PM
No, its not spam.

Hence the email being not my Hotmail one, because that would be dubious.
Also, I think its up to Andy/his missus to decide whether to contact me/take me up on it, don't you?

And I could have used the Heresy phone number, but I'm not going to spend a fortune on a phone call to the UK like that.
Especially in the evening and with the time difference.

So kindly tumble off.

Graccus.

: Re: Use it or lose it. Heresy's future...
: Big Boris July 29, 2011, 09:40:35 AM
Easy, there, tiger! Tumblebomb's just being cautious.

PM me with your details etc and I'll discuss it with you off-board.
: Re: Use it or lose it. Heresy's future...
: Graccus July 29, 2011, 08:31:55 PM
Tumblebomb, I apologise.

I was a bit too angry in my reply there.

Sorry,

Graccus.
: Re: Use it or lose it. Heresy's future...
: tumblebomb July 31, 2011, 07:58:17 AM
No worries man, you know what its like you see a post and the brain goes 'you know what i think about that'.  The curse of internets I've probably gotten too cynical and cautious these days, tis a sad world.
: Re: Use it or lose it. Heresy's future...
: mcfonz July 31, 2011, 07:53:00 PM
Anyone else having probs logging onto the heresy site - or have I missed some vital info somewhere?
: Re: Use it or lose it. Heresy's future...
: Cait Sidhe July 31, 2011, 08:59:51 PM
Yeah, I can't access the site either. It won't load at all.
: Re: Use it or lose it. Heresy's future...
: Penfold July 31, 2011, 09:13:08 PM
 :metoo: tried 3 different ways
: Re: Use it or lose it. Heresy's future...
: leadhead July 31, 2011, 09:19:52 PM
 :metoo: Yep, no loady here
: Re: Use it or lose it. Heresy's future...
: Ajsalium July 31, 2011, 09:24:09 PM
And I'll add yet another :metoo:
: Re: Use it or lose it. Heresy's future...
: Graccus July 31, 2011, 10:56:12 PM
Nor here.

Getting slightly worried.
: Re: Use it or lose it. Heresy's future...
: dwartist July 31, 2011, 11:13:37 PM
I'd buy lots more of these if there where more than the initial four...
http://forum-of-doom.com/index.php?topic=15138.0
: Re: Use it or lose it. Heresy's future...
: Big Boris August 01, 2011, 07:29:29 AM
Goblins and troopers are top of my list. Just have to get through the next couple of weeks of mould making and cleaning of masters so that all the eolith stuff etc is in production. Spent the last two doing stuff for Ian.
: Re: Use it or lose it. Heresy's future...
: ixminis August 02, 2011, 05:00:04 AM
Don't forget that if you are unsure about whether or not a site is down you can check sites like "Is it me or is it down".

LInKy: is it Me oR iS It doWN? (http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/http://www.heresyminiatures.com)
: Re: Use it or lose it. Heresy's future...
: beefcake August 02, 2011, 09:42:48 AM
Goblins and troopers are top of my list. Just have to get through the next couple of weeks of mould making and cleaning of masters so that all the eolith stuff etc is in production. Spent the last two doing stuff for Ian.

Goblins as in a leader mounted on a big beasty? :angel:
: Re: Use it or lose it. Heresy's future...
: Big Boris August 02, 2011, 10:13:37 AM
Don't forget that if you are unsure about whether or not a site is down you can check sites like "Is it me or is it down".

LInKy: is it Me oR iS It doWN? (http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/http://www.heresyminiatures.com)
That is SO bookmarked now...thanks!

Site, touch wood, is now working properly, although I can't figure out what's going on with the area around the logo and why it isn't the same size and shape as it should be.
: Re: Use it or lose it. Heresy's future...
: mcfonz August 02, 2011, 11:44:51 AM
I plan to buy anything that Andy does gang-wars related. I am trying to put the final touches on a conversion of the No Limits rules which include a nice card activation system and 'hero points'.

I will shove them up on here somewhere once done. But I desperately want another gang now. I have the old GW Orlock's which are nice but somewhat pale in comparison to the ever dynamic trenchies.

Some of the fantasy stuff will sneak into a narrative based game I plan to have up and running after I have sorted the gang rules out.
: Re: Use it or lose it. Heresy's future...
: Mistral August 23, 2011, 06:58:20 PM
Ordered... in the mail a couple a days later.

AMAZING service! Respect...

 :woohoo:
: Re: Use it or lose it. Heresy's future...
: somaticon August 27, 2011, 01:14:40 PM
The thing I love about ordering from the FOD companies is just how quickly their deliveries tend to arrive. If only certain other companies had the same approach. I hope things pick up for Heresy, I really do as it would be a shame to lose a company like it. I used to buy Grenadier, Fasa and I-Kore its a shame to see them disappear.
: Re: Use it or lose it. Heresy's future...
: treslibras August 27, 2011, 01:36:46 PM
When I first registered here and had a proper look at Heresy, Spyglass etc. I thought to myself: Well, they share the forum, why the hell don´t they put the businesses together?

I really don´t understand why every mildly (or greatly) talented sculptor has to open his own webshop. So much time is wasted on logistics, they all live more or less on the minimum and we, the amateurs, often save up for one or two buys per year only (in order to avoid shipping costs and because of the small catalogue).

I would agree that outsourcing the casting is already a good step. Still I would even go farther:

Let´s for the sake of the argument pretend that Heresy Miniatures and Spyglass are incorporated into Hasslefree Miniatures.
Sally hires at least (!) one extra for packing and shipping. (While they are at it, they create a website that does not look like an example of early 1990s interweb history.  :P )

Boris, you pay your share for the logistics - and you get royalties for all Heresy Miniatures sold. But other than that, you concentrate on sculpting. Hasslefree will increase sales due to the larger portfolio, Sally has less troubles due to the extra hand they can afford, and everyone is happy.

You could even start to have shared product lines, like "60s Pulp: Agents in Distress", "Muscle Mountains", "Space station XR5" etc.

Kev and Sally went the right way with their White Metal range - that  idea should be expanded on.
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: tumblebomb August 27, 2011, 03:23:42 PM
Yeah I've thought that before. having some sort of combined arms/aims ;)  Me too really thinking the sculptor needs to devote time to mainly sculpting if possible.

Although the website looks a little dated (I like the style still) Other big stores like Wayland and Maelstrom have rubbish sites for navigating. A list of all manufacturers should be from A to Z no? or allowed users to reorder on the fly..

I hate to think of lost time as the creative person has to get bogged down into boring stuff. They could be doing publicity in sculpting down time like on Beasts of War fro example! Consdiering most manufacturers are appearing on it the absence of Heresy and Hasslefree is noticable. 

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: Big Boris August 27, 2011, 03:28:17 PM
My newly installed shop looks dated, you say? Guess I can't win. Everyone was hating on the previous version so I updated.

As to the ideas here, they are all possibilities...

(No luck on tricking Ed into giving me his Secret Formula, unfortunately, but we are discussing something)
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: Big Boris August 27, 2011, 03:32:22 PM
I really don´t understand why every mildly (or greatly) talented sculptor has to open his own webshop.

Well, the rewards are potentially greater than working for hire, or for another company. Potentially, I stress. But I too wish they wouldn't ALL do it. There are a lot of sculptors I'd have liked to commission who then start their own ranges and thus have no time to do work for hire any more.
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: tumblebomb August 27, 2011, 03:54:48 PM
I can't remember the old shop so well  but to be a little more specific which may clarify what I mean in previous.
Also this is purely subjective, well I've done a little basic web design before,  other people may tell you different things.   

The graphics and little slideshow is great, colour scheme looks about right(nice red and black). photos are spot on. having the background in white doesn't seem to sit right, it makes all the elements jump out. may a gradient from dark grey to black would work or a dark red?     

 The text font (for body text etc..) is probably what makes it feel a little old, I don't know what if any program you use for the design, most have an option to anti-alias text which make it nice and smooth. It seems a little hard to read.

 The colour changes from red to blue (or yellow to blue)on the links should be rethought to make consistent.

On the top menu list  (a good design aspect btw)  its got little white gaps which are off putting. make them black or if you want a divider then a shorter line in different colour may work.

Hope that is of any use. 
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: Big Boris August 27, 2011, 04:39:36 PM
All good to know. I'm slowly adding/changing the cart as I'm NOT  a web designer and all I'm about capable of is adding stuff that opther people have already created, such as the slideshow and the drop-down menu. I can change colours etc no problem (once I find the right code) but at th emoemtn it's a fairly basic Zen Cart layout.
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: leadhead August 27, 2011, 10:57:44 PM
I for one, quite like the new store system.  I find it easy to use and find what I want.  I think that the design as a whole currently suits Heresy's 'feel'.  I also sincerely hope that everything works itself out financially as I would be very upset to loose my new addiction, Dark Brethren.  My only grievance is my personal financial situation is somewhat similar (to Heresy's) I think, so I will have to wait some time for my next fix.   I guess that gives me time to wade through the huge pile.
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: Tasker August 30, 2011, 08:20:19 PM
Stuck an order in earlier today.

Have to apologise though, I ended up having to use Pay-Pal. Left my card at home and didn't realise until I was at the checkout.
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: Catinator September 08, 2011, 04:12:11 PM
Placed an order - might help a bit.

Like the new store, and its a great addition to have the Spyglass miniatures available there as well.

Greetings,

                    Catinator
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: constantine September 21, 2011, 11:30:17 PM
just ordered myself some of those lovely sci fi troopers ! been after those for a while and finally bit the bullet (or should that be las-round ?)
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: jp October 28, 2011, 11:53:45 AM
order on the way, again!
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: Big Boris March 26, 2012, 09:15:36 PM
(http://www.heresyminiatures.com/shop/images/large/10mansquad.jpg) (http://www.heresyminiatures.com/shop/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=2_61)
LINKY (http://www.heresyminiatures.com/shop/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=2_61)


Right. This is important. I need to find £900 by Thursday to pay the mortgage, and a further £900 by the end of the following week for the various loans and things. So I've added a pre-order for the latest trooper packs I've been working on frantically for the last few days. You may have seen me mention it on Facebook. Things are desperate. March has been utter bumfudge in terms of sales, worst month I've seen for years, about half of last year's march. Couldn't come at a worse time, and now I have £29 in my accounts if you add them together.

So don't say "I'll put them on the list' Don't say that. It's irksome at the best of times to the independent miniatures supplier, and in the dire financial situation I'm in it would make me physically angry. If you have been putting off buying some troopers, or quite fancy a pack on the off chance, Go to the shop, right now, and buy them. Right now. I've even added a special 10-man offer.

The new troopers will be available at Salute. If you want to pick up your order at Salute, place it on the site now, as normal, and let us know you want to pick it up and I'll refund the shipping cost.

ALSO NOTE: These figures will be the first ones cast in a lead-containing alloy. Up until now, Heresy has always been lead-free, but time has come to change that. There's not much lead in the new pewter, just a little bit, but it makes for much better quality castings. It is also heavier by about 20% though, so it's a trade-off!

LINKY (http://www.heresyminiatures.com/shop/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=2_61)
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: Klingsor April 01, 2012, 07:43:16 PM
Order (for Salute) placed so that is a wee bit towards your total.

Does the lead make the alloy softer? We have been messing with some ancient GW figures and their old lead rich metal is very soft and easy to work compared with modern alloys. The ones I noticed this most with recently were some Celtos figures from Brigade which seemed unusually hard but that might of course have been just in contrast with the GW ancients.
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: Tasker April 04, 2012, 09:14:03 PM
Just put an order in Andy.

Cocked up again and forgot to change payment method from Paypal.
( And I'm always too paranoid to cancel and do it again in case it goes nipples up. )

I'll stick something extra in my next order to make up for it.


Hopefully it'll help a little towards your next bill.
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: Big Boris April 05, 2012, 08:15:24 AM
Thanks, Tasker; the majority of my orders are Paypal, it's no worries, although I'm sure they're charging me the wrong fees...!