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: Heresy Dragon Big Thread Of Doom
: Big Boris January 19, 2009, 08:24:24 PM
(http://www.heresyminiatures.com/images/wip/dragon/dragon_1_small.jpg) (http://www.heresyminiatures.com/dragonwip.htm)(http://www.heresyminiatures.com/images/wip/dragon/dragon_2_small.jpg) (http://www.heresyminiatures.com/dragonwip.htm)(http://www.heresyminiatures.com/images/wip/dragon/dragon_4_small.jpg) (http://www.heresyminiatures.com/dragonwip.htm)

(http://www.heresyminiatures.com/images/wip/dragon/dragon_5_small.jpg) (http://www.heresyminiatures.com/dragonwip.htm)(http://www.heresyminiatures.com/images/wip/dragon/dragon_6_small.jpg) (http://www.heresyminiatures.com/dragonwip.htm)(http://www.heresyminiatures.com/images/wip/dragon/dragon_mouth_closed_or_open_small.jpg) (http://www.heresyminiatures.com/dragonwip.htm)

There are big pics on the page they all link to. This is very much WIP, I have to stress, but it is #1 on my list as it's the best chance I have of getting some instant cash to pay my huge, whopping tax bill with. I can't overstate the importance of you finding your dragon-loving friend and asking them to pay me some money towards this bad boy.
I hope to finish it by April, indeed by Salute at the end of March I should like to at least have the finished dragon in the cabinet if not any resin copies to sell, but it could take longer, it all depends on how much casting i have to do between now and then, if I have to sell the house to pay bills, etc, etc. So if you all can spare £30 (or more ;) ) now, then i can stand a good chance of paying off my tax bill sooner rather than later.


Info from the page:

You don't want to know how long it takes to do small area of scales, or how hard they are to do well.

This Dragon is not finished yet, it's still at the 'staring and thinking how to improve it' stage. The photos don't capture it at all. If you want really big photos, right click the links below the pics and 'Save Target As' ...

Next time, texture roller and a more elephant like skin, I swear...I am currently aiming for something slightly crocodilian, slightly snake ish, slightly fantasy-ish. Basically something that is unique to a dragon. I've also built up the shoulders so that they look more realistically capable of powering those wings than the standard 'stick the wings on the body somewhere' approach seen in other dragons.

Note: there are weeks of work left in this, just on getting the scales right, never mind the wings. I'm hoping against hope to get it done by Salute at the end of March this year, but it depends how much of my time is spent casting stuff to fill the drawers prior to that and the Hammerhead show mid feb.

This model represents my best shot at even paying half my tax this year. This version will also be a limited edition, I think. I don't know how much the final thing will cost other than it should hopefully be less than £100. (But I've seen other resin models of similar size go for more than that) I know it will be at least £60.

If you wish to pay a deposit on this dragon to reserve one or more for yourself then please either Paypal me £30 to orders@heresyminiatures.com (Choose 'Send Money' from your Paypal account homepage, then choose 'Personal Payments' then 'Money Owed', then enter that email address as the address to send money to, make the subject title Dragon Deposit) Or you can use the regular shopping basket by going to the dragon's wip page on the main Heresy site. You can pay more than £30 if you wish to. It would certainly help me out with my tax bill.
: Re: A big dragon.
: Ajsalium January 19, 2009, 08:28:16 PM
F***ING F***! :jawdrop:
: Re: A big dragon.
: Lurching Dead January 19, 2009, 08:30:23 PM
 :jawdrop:

 :notworthy:
: Re: A big dragon. (Work In Progress)
: weareblind January 19, 2009, 08:33:13 PM
CA**O CHE BOMBA - WE WANT MORE

(http://www.ladestra.info/public/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/bomba-atomica.jpg)
: Re: A big dragon.
: beefcake January 19, 2009, 08:33:48 PM
Oh my Lord that is awesome. The pose is absolutely great and the skin texture looks brilliant. When it's finished I can imagine it will be a big seller and sell quickly too. Unfortunately I don't have that kind of money to pay as 100 pounds would be about NZ$250.
AWESOME AWESOME AWESOME :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :notworthy: :D :yup: :yup:
: Re: A big dragon. (Work In Progress)
: Beastlord January 19, 2009, 08:38:16 PM
 :jawdrop: Jesus, man you shouldn't do stuff like that right out of the blue-frightened several inoccent people and annoyed a librarian with my exclamation of wonder  :twisted:
Love the pose and the scales look really interesting... I think you have something unique there-never seen one like it. Has a really nice combination of power and sinuosity (?).
Not sure about where the wing membranes meet the body but realise that it's WIP.
Seriously tempted to pre-order...
 :thumbup:  :applause:
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: weareblind January 19, 2009, 08:39:38 PM
It's terrible that you have to launch a pre-subscription... Anyway, just the time to put my daughter Gloria down (from my left arm to the bed) and I will do my 2 pre-orders.
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Big Boris January 19, 2009, 08:46:24 PM
I'll be setting up an instalments plan when I know the final price so that people can pay a little bit each month as and when they can afford it, eg three payments of £33.50 or something like that.
:jawdrop: Jesus, man you shouldn't do stuff like that right out of the blue-frightened several inoccent people and annoyed a librarian with my exclamation of wonder  :twisted:

Sorry about that. Just tell them you saw a rat under one of the shelves.

Love the pose and the scales look really interesting... I think you have something unique there-never seen one like it. Has a really nice combination of power and sinuosity (?).
Not sure about where the wing membranes meet the body but realise that it's WIP.
Seriously tempted to pre-order...
 :thumbup:  :applause:

You should pre-order. It would help me out enormously.
As to wing membranes, what's making you uncertain so far? Could be something I need to address. One stares for so long at these things as you make them, that you start to miss obvious errors.
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Beastlord January 19, 2009, 09:24:22 PM
I'll be setting up an instalments plan when I know the final price so that people can pay a little bit each month as and when they can afford it, eg three payments of £33.50 or something like that
You should pre-order. It would help me out enormously.
As to wing membranes, what's making you uncertain so far? Could be something I need to address. One stares for so long at these things as you make them, that you start to miss obvious errors.

Instalments is a good idea-main worry about pre-ordering is not having all the money when its finished.

Re: Wing membranes - Just wondered how the trailing edge is attached to the body. In a bat the membrane attaches to the hind leg, but I dont suppose that would work... Are those muscle blocks on the underside? The more I look the more I think I'm talking nonsense now... Sorry. Definate improvement on the usual 'arm with bit of leather hanging off' , and the main body of the wings are beautiful.

EDIT: Looking again (again) I guess they're attached to the spine region.. never know how realistically to think about these things.
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: gi6ers January 19, 2009, 09:31:14 PM
EDIT: Looking again (again) I guess they're attached to the spine region.. never know how realistically to think about these things.

Vermis, your input is required here  :lol:
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: dizbuster January 19, 2009, 09:33:48 PM
 :notworthy:

Well Andy you don't do anything by halves do you. How F=in big. may have to sell my un made Netherlord 1 to raise the dosh.  :blub:
As i was one of those wanting a dragon as big as a small dog you can put me down for one.  :crazy:
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Big Boris January 19, 2009, 09:36:00 PM
Re: Wing membranes - Just wondered how the trailing edge is attached to the body. In a bat the membrane attaches to the hind leg, but I dont suppose that would work... Are those muscle blocks on the underside? The more I look the more I think I'm talking nonsense now... Sorry. Definate improvement on the usual 'arm with bit of leather hanging off' , and the main body of the wings are beautiful.

EDIT: Looking again (again) I guess they're attached to the spine region.. never know how realistically to think about these things.

Well, they'd be extensions of  the skin, so attached to the back/ribs area. Very tough tendon like material. I've given it extra 'shoulder' muscles around the wing arms for downward pulling, rather than relying on pectorals alone to pull the wings in the many directions they'd need to go. Not just up and down, you see, they'd be more of a 'rotating scoop' like bats and big birds.

Note the technical jargon. To fly in real life, the dragon would need to blow flames from the other end than it's mouth. See Terry Pratchett's book  'Guards! Guards!' for an example of a jet-powered dragon.
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: fear_the_squirrels January 19, 2009, 09:36:17 PM
Will the dragon come with an official Vermis seal of approval?   :cool:

-TOC
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: DanG January 19, 2009, 09:39:25 PM
er.  Wow...

Er.  Bum...  Now what do I do in Feb...  Get minis or pre-order...  Not sure I can manage both.  But.  Wow.  I want it...
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: greenstuff_gav January 19, 2009, 09:48:09 PM
holy shiznae! i'm having one! just gotta see if any of the others in the club want one too before sending moneys :lol:

a mouth closed and a mouth open option'd be nice  :oops:

one set of horns merekons, swept back kinda for aerodynamics :)
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: weareblind January 19, 2009, 09:59:46 PM
Smaug be my guide!
(http://www.seresfantasticos.com/Smaug.JPG)
Or Ancalagon the Black

: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Inso January 19, 2009, 10:00:15 PM
That is certainly an impressive piece of work and no mistake :mrgreen:.

If it keeps going the way it is, I can see it becoming a classic very quickly.

Very cool 8).
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Beastlord January 19, 2009, 10:06:43 PM
Well, they'd be extensions of  the skin, so attached to the back/ribs area. Very tough tendon like material. I've given it extra 'shoulder' muscles around the wing arms for downward pulling, rather than relying on pectorals alone to pull the wings in the many directions they'd need to go. Not just up and down, you see, they'd be more of a 'rotating scoop' like bats and big birds.

Note the technical jargon. To fly in real life, the dragon would need to blow flames from the other end than it's mouth. See Terry Pratchett's book  'Guards! Guards!' for an example of a jet-powered dragon.

Think I can see that... I've spent too long studying anatomy-cant help looking at things and going "so how does that work?". And I must stop trying to compare bird anatomy to six limbed dragons.

For the head, I reckon open and closed mouths would be good (see you've already done those EDIT: Or is that just a movable lower jaw?). I've never really understood why dragons would have horns, what with the fire and claws and teeth, but I suppose there isn't anything much cooler looking to decorate their heads with... I'd say keep them relatively small. Though now I think on it, how about a small spike on the nose? Could be an egg tooth that evolved into something permanent...? Oh and I emphatically vote against those daft little wings GW dragons have on the sides of their heads  :shrug:
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: BrianC January 19, 2009, 10:57:47 PM
I'll be pre ordering once I get paid end of the month.

I agree that offering two heads if at all possible would be great, if that could be extended to two necks then even better as it'd make it easier to convert into two different dragons and people might buy two.

I'd also suggest making a removable howda (not sure how to spell it) so you can put any model on its back so it'd be compatible with a certain gaming system, similar to how Ultraforge do it for their dragon.
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Squigface January 19, 2009, 11:00:42 PM
Jeebus! That thing is magnificent, only dragon I've seen that I like, I'll preorder one if I can scrape together the cash, mind if I pimp it elsewhere?

Squig
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Argonor January 19, 2009, 11:14:09 PM
I just sent the link to a couple of friends and posted it on the LAF. You never now.

That dragon is going to be awesome. If I weren't desperately looking for a new job (my company closes Jan 31st), I'd probably go for it. Just now, though, money might get a bit tight, soon (I'll be short about £250 a month if I do not find something....).

A much nicer dragon than the horror GW spat out for LotR IMHO.
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Mr Teufel January 19, 2009, 11:33:34 PM
 :shock: Utterly, utterly awesome.  :jawdrop:
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: caerban January 19, 2009, 11:42:03 PM
Now that's ace.
 :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:
 :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:
Deposit paid! I loves dragons!
: Re: A big dragon.
: mcfonz January 19, 2009, 11:56:59 PM
F***ING F***! :jawdrop:


:metoo:

With some extra:

WOAH F***ING BIG B**T**D

To be honest I am not sure what to say - as soon as I saw it I knew I was going to need to change my undies . . . . . . I mean you either cr*p yourself in fear of the fact that it is the size of a cat or gaze in awe at what is the best ever miniature dragon - its not even fricken miniature its that good!
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: mcfonz January 19, 2009, 11:58:35 PM
Re: Wing membranes - Just wondered how the trailing edge is attached to the body. In a bat the membrane attaches to the hind leg, but I dont suppose that would work... Are those muscle blocks on the underside? The more I look the more I think I'm talking nonsense now... Sorry. Definate improvement on the usual 'arm with bit of leather hanging off' , and the main body of the wings are beautiful.

EDIT: Looking again (again) I guess they're attached to the spine region.. never know how realistically to think about these things.

Well, they'd be extensions of  the skin, so attached to the back/ribs area. Very tough tendon like material. I've given it extra 'shoulder' muscles around the wing arms for downward pulling, rather than relying on pectorals alone to pull the wings in the many directions they'd need to go. Not just up and down, you see, they'd be more of a 'rotating scoop' like bats and big birds.

Note the technical jargon. To fly in real life, the dragon would need to blow flames from the other end than it's mouth. See Terry Pratchett's book  'Guards! Guards!' for an example of a jet-powered dragon.

Does this mean it's going to have some "vulnerable bits"?
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: greenstuff_gav January 20, 2009, 12:19:33 AM
Voonerables?
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Big Boris January 20, 2009, 12:23:10 AM
If I can work out where they fit and what they look like. At the moment, he has a slit from which dragon danglies would emerge to fertilise the female (or possibly just the eggs, like a fish or a frog.) I reckon dragons probably regurgitate undigested stuff like snakes, so no bumhole necessary. If anyone wants to find me some lizard willy photos etc, feel free.


You sicken me. :hmmm
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: Mr Teufel January 20, 2009, 12:46:26 AM
Wikipedia knows all! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penis#Species_morphology) The paragraphs on birds and reptiles may be of interest - many reptiles have two (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemipenis)! (More pics) (http://www.anapsid.org/hemipenes.html)

I just found out something new - iguanas have three eyes (http://www.greenigsociety.org/anatomy.htm)!!!!
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Beastlord January 20, 2009, 01:01:26 AM
If I can work out where they fit and what they look like. At the moment, he has a slit from which dragon danglies would emerge to fertilise the female (or possibly just the eggs, like a fish or a frog.) I reckon dragons probably regurgitate undigested stuff like snakes, so no bumhole necessary. If anyone wants to find me some lizard willy photos etc, feel free.


You sicken me. :hmmm

If I remember correctly snakes have what is called a hemipene-kind of just an inversion of the inner lining inside the cloaca (common opening for all goings on in that region), which turns itself inside out and rolls itself up when necessary...or something like that. His family jewels are way up inside... I think most reptiles are roughly similar. Its more or less impossible to tell the difference between male and female snakes except by the length of the tail and some little spurs by the cloaca in some pythons (evolutionary remains of legs I think-dunno why only females have them)
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Beastlord January 20, 2009, 01:28:58 AM
Seems like an appropriate place to post this picture.

(http://www.cheddarmongers.org/prod/gallery2/d/19921-1/dragonball_x.jpeg)

From http://andersson.elfwood.com/ Take a look - he's done some really nice stuff.
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Nosferatu January 20, 2009, 01:34:01 AM
many reptiles have two!


 :lol: I knew that from reading Harry Harrison's Eden trilogy years ago.

Looking good Andy. Really interested to see how this develops.
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: beefcake January 20, 2009, 06:26:45 AM
Seems like an appropriate place to post this picture.

(http://www.cheddarmongers.org/prod/gallery2/d/19921-1/dragonball_x.jpeg)

From http://andersson.elfwood.com/ Take a look - he's done some really nice stuff.
Idea for a second dragon sculpt?
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: t-tauri January 20, 2009, 06:29:12 AM
Not something I'll be buying. It's a nice figure but the market for Dragons is pretty saturated. You'd be better served doing more SF.
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Nosferatu January 20, 2009, 06:44:48 AM
While there are a lot of dragons around there aren't that many good ones, especially really big ones...

This one certainly looks promising. The pose is good, I think getting the head right will be the main thing that will sell it for me. I think it needs to be mouth open if only one option is available. It has to look mean, so mouth open with it's lip raised on one side in a growl (like a wolf) would be cool.

You also have to remember that you have to sell a lot of SF minis to make the same amount of profit as a few of these big pieces like the dragon ...and Andy needs fast cash.  :shrug: I think this was a good move. The pre-sale on this one should raise a fair chunk of money and Andy doesn't even have to send out any minis ...yet!

There seems to be a lot of initial interest, hopefully a fair percentage will put their money where their mouth is. Unfortunately I'm a bit skint as far as mini cash goes at the moment or I'd doing the same. That and I want to see a little more before I make a final decision.
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: vectrum January 20, 2009, 07:06:30 AM
LOVE IT. LOVE IT. LOVE IT.

my pre order is already paid
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: RogerB January 20, 2009, 08:14:02 AM
That's really really good, but damnit, I can't afford it at the moment.   :blub:
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Jimmy January 20, 2009, 09:02:48 AM
Andy - amazing! love this and want it on my shelf.

My only concern is that Its a week till I get paid - limited run means how many? You can have £30 next monday - i promise!
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: greenstuff_gav January 20, 2009, 09:04:37 AM
my pre order is already paid

 :metoo:
not alot else on the order, but hope it helps!
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Malebolgia January 20, 2009, 09:17:53 AM
Don't really need a Dragon...but it's a Andy-sculpt so of course I am going to buy it. I think it looks awesome already. I'll add my 30 quid after the 25th when my credit card resets again. I have abused it a lot already this month ;)
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Hasslefriesian January 20, 2009, 09:39:31 AM
It's  :froth:-tastic, with a capital FROTH!

Lovely work, Andy. I know I've seen the WIP in real life, but this looks even bigger than I remember.

Lovely posing, anatomy (could use more muscles for the wings though :whistle:) and detail work.
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Klute January 20, 2009, 09:45:43 AM
OMG

I wish I had some money. :blub:
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Avicenna January 20, 2009, 10:38:13 AM
Bloody Hell Andy!!

:drool:

I absolutely love it!! He is HUGE! :froth:

What I really like is the bulk of the wing ‘shoulders’ really beefy, but still sinuous. I also like the crocodilian skin texture and spinal ridges. Open mouthed dragons are all the rage, and is absolutely what I’d like to see – I love painting the inside of mouths and glossing them for the contrast between the glossed mouth and the matte skin... yum

I’ll be pre-ordering on Friday as soon as payday is here – this is too good to pass up! Dragons always get my juices flowing ;)

I am very excited about this release! I have yet to complete one of your big models, so hopefully this will break the trend...

: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Tiacapan January 20, 2009, 10:39:48 AM
Looking amazing Andy,

One quick question for you:

Is the dragon intended to be a stand-alone "monster" or is it going to be a ridden beast with a howdahw/saddle moulded on (or options for both)?  

I'd presonally prefer the former (or both options) as I have plenty of uses for a dragon on its own but not so much for a dragon with rider.

: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Big Boris January 20, 2009, 10:50:53 AM
This version is a stand-alone monster, (although it will be accompanied by a special Paladin model) although I might, If the horns and neck-ridges allow for it when I choose the final ones, sculpt a small rider to sit behind the head, Never-Ending Story style. Probably not, as it looks kind of uncomfortable right now.

Assuming this one sells well enough, then I will turn my hands to converting it into a Wardragon - replete with riders area and banner poles. As to necks, I might well do some alternate ones, time allowing, as I've already got lots of ideas for different poses etc. Plus people already requested two-or-more-headed dragons...
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Graeme January 20, 2009, 10:57:53 AM
Nice one Andy. :thumbup:

Where's DRAGON? Why has he not posted on this thread? Has he exploded?
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Tiacapan January 20, 2009, 11:37:23 AM
Ordered!

(God help me when Mrs. Tiacapan finds out!) 

:angrywife: :whistle:
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: grekwood January 20, 2009, 12:32:12 PM
Nice one Andy. :thumbup:

Where's DRAGON? Why has he not posted on this thread? Has he exploded?

i was going to say the same thing  :lol:
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Toosh January 20, 2009, 12:36:36 PM
This is awesomness personified!!  :notworthy:  To say I am totally excited about this would be an understatement  :boing: :boing: :boing: :lalala: :boing: :boing:  :boing: I too will be placing an order for one of these to add to my already large collection of other dragons. BUT this one has really got the creative juices flowing and I have so many ideas of how to base him etc.  I like the fact he doesn't have a 'seat' for a rider - he looks too mean and badass to allow anyone to ride him :wink:  muahahahaha

I don't think there are many dragons of this size around - there are a few smaller ones and the larger Rackham ones of course, but I'd be surprised if this boy didn't sell well.   :thumbup:

I echo the comments about the shoulders - I love the 'heaviness' they convey - lots of power in them their muscles.  :pose: I too would like his mouth to be open, as if roaring in defiance. Omg..I'm whipping myself into a right frenzie here  :oops:  Just carry on with the awesome work you are already doing with him Andy and he'll turn out to be "Chicken Dragon" #2 :wink:

: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: a_thousand_hats January 20, 2009, 12:53:51 PM
I don't normally go for the over the top text speak when I see minis but...

OMG  :jawdrop:  :notworthy:

That is simply superb - it's going to be a real beauty Andy.

I'll have to see how the next week pans out (and see what the missus says) but I'll try to get some money down to you before 31st - even if it's an order for other stuff as I've been eyeing your range for many moons (just waiting for the financial planets to be in alignment).

Oh... and if you can't make the money in one hit for the tax I think the government are giving small businesses a hand in that they're letting them split their payments over a few months. Ask your accountant, they might be able to advise you - or even the tax office, as long as they're getting your money I think you can negotiate some terms with them - at least that's what I heard recently anyway.
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: weirdwolf January 20, 2009, 04:32:59 PM
Spine Dragon "eat s**t & die... :whistle:

 :jawdrop: That is F'kin awesome Andy, I'm lost for words mate...it's the best I've seen, really it is. Nowt else I can say apart from, I'll be throwing a wedge of cash at you at the end of the month.

Bravo that man..... :applause: :applause: :applause:
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: DRAGON January 20, 2009, 06:50:47 PM
Nice one Andy. :thumbup:

Where's DRAGON? Why has he not posted on this thread? Has he exploded?

i was going to say the same thing  :lol:
I can't believe I turned up 24hrs late for such a mind boggling piece of news ! all that remains to be said is.......................
 :explodinghead: :explodinghead: :explodinghead: :explodinghead: :explodinghead: :explodinghead: :explodinghead: :explodinghead: :explodinghead: :explodinghead: :explodinghead: :explodinghead: :explodinghead:
Mr Foster sir you are a GOD !  :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: a_thousand_hats January 20, 2009, 07:20:57 PM
 :boing:

I'll be a buying - after a quick discussion with the other director in the finance department (the wife) - it's agreed the WIP is far too good not to get it.

It's going to be my long-term, 'paint this one as well as I can' display piece (along with odd excursions into games - I'll find a reason to play it on the tabletop somewhere).

I'll put my order in over the next day or so - I'll get a few other bits and pieces too, just going to check if my brother wants to buy anything while I'm putting the order in.

With regards how it develops I'd prefer it as a standalone Dragon with (when you get the chance) additional optional add-ons for a saddle/howdah (my vote would be a saddle).

I'm going to be getting HFs Ceril (now he's in the shop) so I'm looking at combining the two in a display case.

If you did do a saddle then an appropriately armoured HF Ceril would be quite a nice accompaniment  :whistle:

No prizes for guessing which book series I'm reading for the umpteenth time is.

: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Dolmot January 20, 2009, 07:46:25 PM
Right, sold. Just two minor questions:

1) Do you prefer having the deposit paid as a separate order? Are there any ill effects if one is combined with a regular order? It's a honest question so honest answers are accepted.
2) I assume you don't object if I pay twice even though I'm not sure whether it's one or two dragons I'm ultimately buying? It says "you can pay more" etc. after all.

(It's a good investment to pay now when pounds are cheap...)
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Big Boris January 20, 2009, 08:21:53 PM
More money the better. The reason to pay separately for now, for the dragon is 1) It's easier for me to keep everything organised 2) You wind up paying postage for the dragon deposit if you include it in a regular order (I had to get rid of the free shipping offer this month, after many years of having it I just couldn't subsidise it anymore, see shipping (http://www.heresyminiatures.com/shipping.htm) for info)
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: weareblind January 20, 2009, 10:08:05 PM
AAAARGGGGGG
Airsure: Not available to Italy or Russia! A priority express service , supposedly guarantees delivery to europe within 3 days, but again this is down to the international mail working properly, not Heresy! Minimum £7.00, maximum £14.00
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Shaved Dwarf January 20, 2009, 10:28:55 PM
Oooh, that's a BIG one ... :jawdrop:
... and  very well done.  :notworthy:

I haven't been after dragons yet, but ... you make me thinking ...
But before thinking about buying it, I should find a place where I could put such a  ... um ... miniature (is this the right word?  :whistle: )
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: freakinacage January 20, 2009, 11:32:13 PM
hmm not bad...  :whaaa:

money sent
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Hasslefriesian January 21, 2009, 11:47:22 AM
You know what? Looking at this again, I think I'll be putting my dragon WIP back on it's shelf. There's no point in competing with this one :notworthy:
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Carcharoth January 21, 2009, 12:08:18 PM
It's a great dragon sculpt! I'm sure Vermis could pick a few biological faults if he felt so inclined, but I think there are probably far fewer than normal on a sculpt of a dragon! It is pretty much spot on how I think a dragon should look, and the effort involved in the scales gives a far better texture than could ever be achieved with texture stamps.

The figure certainly deserves to be another flagship piece for heresy, and I hope it gets the sales it deserves. I would love to buy it, but I can't justify buying another big model just because it looks great when I know full well that I would never paint it (like the (admittedy smaller) Netherlord 2, fellbeast, grav tank etc etc that I never had the focus to get finished).
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: caerban January 21, 2009, 12:26:52 PM
You know what? Looking at this again, I think I'll be putting my dragon WIP back on it's shelf. There's no point in competing with this one :notworthy:

Noooooooooooooooooo!!  :blub: :blub: I wants both! You've just seen how quickly I pay up when someone waves a dragon at me!
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Beastlord January 21, 2009, 12:31:09 PM
You know what? Looking at this again, I think I'll be putting my dragon WIP back on it's shelf. There's no point in competing with this one :notworthy:

Can't never have too many dragons!  :whistle:
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Brandlin January 21, 2009, 12:33:08 PM
You know what? Looking at this again, I think I'll be putting my dragon WIP back on it's shelf. There's no point in competing with this one :notworthy:

dont you bleeping well dare.

(unless you're going to make a grav bike instead)
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Big Boris January 21, 2009, 12:55:59 PM
You know what? Looking at this again, I think I'll be putting my dragon WIP back on it's shelf. There's no point in competing with this one :notworthy:

@Kev: You can't be ashamed of something just because someone else has got a bigger one, Kev. You know that yours is gorgeous, and I insist that you get it out and play with it until it's finished off. I'd love to see you do that.


@the rest of you: Why are you all sniggering? :paranoid:
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Beastlord January 21, 2009, 01:00:18 PM

@the rest of you: Why are you all sniggering? :paranoid:


Sniggering? Why would that be? I'm maintaining a completely straight face....   :lol:
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Mr Teufel January 21, 2009, 01:42:32 PM
I'm not sniggering...

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

That's what I'm doing.  :lol: :yup:
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Ajsalium January 21, 2009, 03:05:25 PM
F***ING F***! :jawdrop:
Now I have a little more time to reply, and the shock has wore off, so I can say something more rational...

First: deposit paid. This is an absolutely must-have model.

Second: could you post some pics of the dragon with the Netherlord? That should give a better idea of how big this dragon is (as most of us already know the huge size of the Netherlord); and must be a hell of a clash of titans pic.

Third: about the heads, I'll suggest again that you sculpt five different heads, each one corresponding to one of the main races of chromatic (evil) dragons from D&D. D&D players (like myself, yup) would love to see a proper rendition of a "canonical" dragon other than the crappy plastic WotC minis; and the main difference between the races is the head, so with different ones everybody could choose his preferred dragon race. I don't mean you should release all heads with the dragon, but rather like you did with the blights or the cyclops: chose one head as the standard, but make available the other heads for buying them alone, or choosing them to be swapped with the standard head.


You know what? Looking at this again, I think I'll be putting my dragon WIP back on it's shelf. There's no point in competing with this one :notworthy:
Well, HF is famous for its naked chicks... you know female anatomy well (much research, no doubt)... so maybe you could turn your dragon into a dragonne? And not, this is not just a joke; it would be challenging putting some feminine shapes in a dragon, but I have faith in you.
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: weirdwolf January 21, 2009, 03:25:39 PM
You know what? Looking at this again, I think I'll be putting my dragon WIP back on it's shelf. There's no point in competing with this one :notworthy:

 :christalmighty:...You bloody try it matey... :tsk:

If you do, I'll sit crossed leg on your front lawn banging a drum whilst Dragon dances around in a circle shouting "DRAGON NOW", your back door will be guarded by Grek Lad dressed as a banana, should you try to escape that way he'll attack you with Welsh close harmonic singing... :erm:

So stop looking at Andy's & play with your own... :thumbup:
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: weareblind January 21, 2009, 03:27:52 PM
You know what? Looking at this again, I think I'll be putting my dragon WIP back on it's shelf. There's no point in competing with this one :notworthy:

Noooooooooooooooooo!!  :blub: :blub: I wants both! You've just seen how quickly I pay up when someone waves a dragon at me!
:metoo:
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: keeper40k January 21, 2009, 04:28:16 PM
@Andy: Tell me to get lost if you want, but I wondered how the pre-orders are going for the dragon?
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Orc boy January 21, 2009, 05:06:04 PM
I want this so much. Kev's too.

Once I find out how much it is I'll know if I can spare the cash. Looking at what's done so far, I f***ing hope I can!
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: DRAGON January 21, 2009, 05:35:07 PM
You know what? Looking at this again, I think I'll be putting my dragon WIP back on it's shelf. There's no point in competing with this one :notworthy:

 :christalmighty:...You bloody try it matey... :tsk:

If you do, I'll sit crossed leg on your front lawn banging a drum whilst Dragon dances around in a circle shouting "DRAGON NOW", your back door will be guarded by Grek Lad dressed as a banana, should you try to escape that way he'll attack you with Welsh close harmonic singing... :erm:

So stop looking at Andy's & play with your own... :thumbup:
:metoo: I will be round in half an hour WW !  :lol:
Dont you dare shelve yours Kev - you really dont want to see an enraged DRAGON !  :tantrum:
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Avicenna January 21, 2009, 05:57:01 PM
@Andy: Tell me to get lost if you want, but I wondered how the pre-orders are going for the dragon?

let paydays go past first ;) a number of us will be ordering then :D
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: DRAGON January 21, 2009, 06:01:10 PM
I put mine in this morning as soon as I got in from work and pinched myself to make sure I hadn't dreamt this topic !  :lol:
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: caerban January 21, 2009, 07:09:58 PM
I put mine in this morning as soon as I got in from work and pinched myself to make sure I hadn't dreamt this topic !  :lol:

I was a bit slow after I first got the newsletter on it, I'll admit... it took me ten minutes to find my wallet  :D
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Hasslefriesian January 21, 2009, 07:48:12 PM
You know what? Looking at this again, I think I'll be putting my dragon WIP back on it's shelf. There's no point in competing with this one :notworthy:

 :christalmighty:...You bloody try it matey... :tsk:

If you do, I'll sit crossed leg on your front lawn banging a drum whilst Dragon dances around in a circle shouting "DRAGON NOW", your back door will be guarded by Grek Lad dressed as a banana, should you try to escape that way he'll attack you with Welsh close harmonic singing... :erm:

So stop looking at Andy's & play with your own... :thumbup:
:metoo: I will be round in half an hour WW !  :lol:
Dont you dare shelve yours Kev - you really dont want to see an enraged DRAGON !  :tantrum:


O.K :roll:

But just so you're certain to spend with Andy in the mean time, mine is still no-where near finished yet.

@ Andy: I'd like to finish off, but I've been playing with it so much that the outer layer has blistered and the head's fallen off :whistle:
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: gi6ers January 21, 2009, 08:04:23 PM
Did you run out of forehead grease based lubrication?
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: vampifan January 21, 2009, 08:19:30 PM
On the basis that every little helps, I've placed my order for this wonderful beastie. Even though I'm not a big fan of dragons this is just far too awesome to ignore. I can afford it, so why not indulge myself?
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Toosh January 21, 2009, 08:49:48 PM
You know what? Looking at this again, I think I'll be putting my dragon WIP back on it's shelf. There's no point in competing with this one :notworthy:

Oh...that's a shame.........  :shrug:  Never mind.....

So anyone interested in a painted dwarf I have going spare?  Seems the intended recipient has changed his mind....  :wry:
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: weareblind January 21, 2009, 09:04:32 PM
On the basis that every little helps, I've placed my order for this wonderful beastie. Even though I'm not a big fan of dragons this is just far too awesome to ignore. I can afford it, so why not indulge myself?
:metoo:
Order placed  :notworthy:
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: weareblind January 21, 2009, 09:09:49 PM
In order to enlarge Heresy' possibilities, I link this thread to one of the best Italian forum (EXCELLENT, believe me).
http://www.triplozero.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=2109
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Captain Sprout January 21, 2009, 09:57:47 PM
Like. That. Dragon. 

End of the month (I have spent my model budget this month, where does it go) and a pre order will be on its way.
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Hasslefriesian January 21, 2009, 10:24:40 PM
So anyone interested in a painted dwarf I have going spare?  Seems the intended recipient has changed his mind....  :wry:


 :eh: :hmmm

Bugger.

Forgot that bit :scratchhead:
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: BulldogUK January 22, 2009, 08:18:47 AM
Pre-ordered this bad boy, clutching airbrush in anticipation  :thumbup:
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Mr Teufel January 22, 2009, 10:36:40 AM
Geez... tv* or dragon... tv or dragon... tv or dragon...?  :crazy:




*My tv carked it last month, and I'm just about to buy another one.
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Argonor January 22, 2009, 11:04:02 AM
Geez... tv* or dragon... tv or dragon... tv or dragon...?  :crazy:

What do you need a TV for..? You have a hobby, and if you buy this you'll be needing all the evening hours you can get...  :wink: :angel:
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Vermis January 22, 2009, 12:33:33 PM
I'm sure Vermis could pick a few biological faults if he felt so inclined

:(

Ahem.  I think it's a terrific dragon, Andy.  But you know that. ;)
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Jimmy January 22, 2009, 01:13:49 PM
Deposit sent :)
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Carcharoth January 22, 2009, 02:31:50 PM
Are you honestly saying you couldn't find any biological faults?
Point was that it really doesn't matter. I enjoy reading the pointless arguments, and the discussions about speculative biology, but the main thing is that it looks 'right'. Some thought into the underlying biology makes it much easier to suspend disbelief about the other stuff, but too much thought tends to lead to something that stops being a dragon. Andy's got the balance just right (in my opinion), and this dragon certainly looks right. I am more than happy to suspend disbelief!

I'm sure Vermis could pick a few biological faults if he felt so inclined

:(

Ahem.  I think it's a terrific dragon, Andy.  But you know that. ;)
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: alrith72 January 22, 2009, 03:20:03 PM
Pre-ordered this bad boy, clutching airbrush in anticipation  :thumbup:
I'm already looking forward to seeing that paintjob!
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: weareblind January 22, 2009, 03:20:55 PM
Geez... tv* or dragon... tv or dragon... tv or dragon...?  :crazy:

What do you need a TV for..? You have a hobby, and if you buy this you'll be needing all the evening hours you can get...  :wink: :angel:
:metoo:
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: weirdwolf January 22, 2009, 04:04:35 PM
Geez... tv* or dragon... tv or dragon... tv or dragon...?  :crazy:

What do you need a TV for..? You have a hobby, and if you buy this you'll be needing all the evening hours you can get...  :wink: :angel:
:metoo:
:metoo: you know you want to...plus it'll never be a repeat... :thumbup:
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: BulldogUK January 22, 2009, 05:48:49 PM
Are you honestly saying you couldn't find any biological faults?
Point was that it really doesn't matter. I enjoy reading the pointless arguments, and the discussions about speculative biology, but the main thing is that it looks 'right'. Some thought into the underlying biology makes it much easier to suspend disbelief about the other stuff, but too much thought tends to lead to something that stops being a dragon. Andy's got the balance just right (in my opinion), and this dragon certainly looks right. I am more than happy to suspend disbelief!

I'm guessing like the Netherlord it may come with an optional meat n 2 veg?  :shock:
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: DRAGON January 22, 2009, 07:04:51 PM
Geez... tv* or dragon... tv or dragon... tv or dragon...?  :crazy:

What do you need a TV for..? You have a hobby, and if you buy this you'll be needing all the evening hours you can get...  :wink: :angel:
:metoo:
:metoo: you know you want to...plus it'll never be a repeat... :thumbup:
:metoo: You see three repeats already !  :lol:
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: the bearded snot January 22, 2009, 09:48:11 PM
Pre-order done. Paid the shipping too, so you get more cash quickly. I'd like to order a second one in a few days ( have things to sell on ebay before).Just wanted to know which info do you need to remember, when  I'll make this second pre-order, that I've already made one ?
Don't know if I am very clear here ? 
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Big Boris January 22, 2009, 11:15:07 PM
When you order again, both orders will be listed separately in a special folder in my inbox marked 'Dragons', fear not...
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: DRAGON January 23, 2009, 08:20:01 AM
in a special folder in my inbox marked 'Dragons', fear not...
I have my own special folder in your inbox ?  :boing:
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: DanG January 23, 2009, 09:22:22 AM
in a special folder in my inbox marked 'Dragons', fear not...
I have my own special folder in your inbox ?  :boing:

Probably the deleted items folder? :angel:
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Argonor January 23, 2009, 11:16:45 AM
in a special folder in my inbox marked 'Dragons', fear not...
I have my own special folder in your inbox ?  :boing:

Probably the deleted items folder? :angel:

Ouch!  :whip:
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: weirdwolf January 23, 2009, 01:02:52 PM
Geez... tv* or dragon... tv or dragon... tv or dragon...?  :crazy:

What do you need a TV for..? You have a hobby, and if you buy this you'll be needing all the evening hours you can get...  :wink: :angel:
:metoo:
:metoo: you know you want to...plus it'll never be a repeat... :thumbup:
:metoo: You see three repeats already !  :lol:

Smart arse... :lol:
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: athamas January 23, 2009, 06:09:22 PM
couple of questions...

How big is the base?
although i love a good miniture i am always more tempted to purchase one if there is the possibility to be able to use it in games... [even if i never actually will.... i know stupid mind] and as such that means fitting reasonably on a gaming base.. [if it could fit on a 60-75mm square base that would be great!]

i take it this will be made of resin?


: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Rod the Worm January 24, 2009, 09:36:49 AM
Judging by the size of the figure next to it, the round base it's currently on is either ~85mm or ~105mm - I can't remember whether Andy uses 25mm or 30mm bases for his figs.

I want one.  I desperately want one.  Considering my finances though, what with my student loan arbitrarily being halved, I think my parents may actually kill me, or else take it and sell it on eBay.

 The moment I confirm some steady income, I'll order  :(
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Avicenna January 24, 2009, 02:07:17 PM
Got mine ordered now :P

I cant wait to see it in whatever state it is in at Salute!
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Toosh January 24, 2009, 03:35:58 PM
Mine is ordered too!  Soooooooooo excited to see it :lalala:
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Argonor January 24, 2009, 03:52:14 PM
Will all you rich people PLEASE post painted pics when you get so far..?   :smile:
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Dolmot January 24, 2009, 05:05:35 PM
Will all you rich people PLEASE post painted pics when you get so far..?   :smile:

I think people usually do if they get anything like this painted...

...but it hasn't been even sculpted yet! Aren't you getting ahead of things by some six months here?
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Avicenna January 24, 2009, 05:20:03 PM
Full of joy and excitement eh Dol? ;)
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: weareblind January 24, 2009, 05:39:01 PM
realistic...
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: PhilH January 24, 2009, 05:53:27 PM
Fantastic Dragon  :applause:. I always wanted an Emperor dragon when I was younger, but could never afford one. Twenty something years later and I find myself in the same predicament. Trying to convince the wife is the problem. I will have to start keeping the change from the chip shop run, cut my own hair, sell all unpainted and unloved minis on ebay etc ,to finance project "get Andy's dragon without the other Dragon finding out".

I dont have much interest in a Dragons genitalia and I dont fancy seeing a huge set of undercrackers on this awesome sculpt. :smile:

The jaw could be left as a seperate piece, so it can be positioned as desired.
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: weareblind January 24, 2009, 06:46:35 PM
I have no interest in a Dragons genitalia and I dont fancy seeing a huge set of undercrackers on this awesome sculpt.
:sick:
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: beefcake January 24, 2009, 07:12:47 PM
project "get Andy's dragon without the other Dragon finding out".

Let's hope she doesn't see the name of your project otherwise it will never come to fruition.
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Argonor January 24, 2009, 08:12:32 PM
Will all you rich people PLEASE post painted pics when you get so far..?   :smile:

I think people usually do if they get anything like this painted...

...but it hasn't been even sculpted yet! Aren't you getting ahead of things by some six months here?

Nope. I want to put pressure on those more fortunate than I...  :wry:
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Captain Sprout January 24, 2009, 08:41:58 PM
I was thinking I'd send the deposit sum each month until the actual sum was reached / the dragon was finished and the balance was due.

That way I can convince myself its almost free when it comes out. And delusion is a good thing.
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: weareblind January 24, 2009, 08:58:36 PM
And delusion is a good thing.
:scratchhead:
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: gi6ers January 24, 2009, 09:40:53 PM
@Weareblind: I can convince myself its almost free when it comes out = a good delusion
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: lizcam January 24, 2009, 10:06:09 PM
I've put off commenting on this because see then I'll have to talk myself OUT of buying one and I really want it but I have no money but it's stunning and I NEED IT but I have no.............what was it I have none of?  Not sure................Hmmmmmmmmmm................Where was I?..................oh yah, ordering this dragon
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Captain Sprout January 24, 2009, 10:55:20 PM
Thanks Gi6/x/gers  :D
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: DRAGON January 25, 2009, 07:38:57 AM
Will all you rich people PLEASE post painted pics when you get so far..?   :smile:
I'm not rich - I just believe in getting my priorities straight !  :lol:
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: dark_matter January 25, 2009, 12:58:09 PM
That's fantastic :applause: I've just pre-ordered and quite excited about painting it.  :boing:
Will all you rich people PLEASE post painted pics when you get so far..?   :smile:
I'm not rich - I just believe in getting my priorities straight !  :lol:
And £60-100 is nothing in a 5 year plan...
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: grekwood January 25, 2009, 01:04:27 PM
I've put off commenting on this because see then I'll have to talk myself OUT of buying one

i'm sort of the same, trying not to say i love it or look at it because i know i'll end up ordering it  :lol: when the truth is even if i had the money to spend on one dragon, i don't really have a use for it and it's too big for my cabnet and i'd have no where to put it...... it's tough when you have a nagging voice saying go on, i know you want it, you'll like it, go on  :paranoid2:  
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: alrith72 January 25, 2009, 01:15:35 PM
Thanks Gi6/x/gers  :D
you forgot Gifers  :lmao:
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Inso January 25, 2009, 01:31:21 PM
Are there any further progress pix yet?

: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: DRAGON January 25, 2009, 03:41:45 PM
That's fantastic :applause: I've just pre-ordered and quite excited about painting it.  :boing:
Will all you rich people PLEASE post painted pics when you get so far..?   :smile:
I'm not rich - I just believe in getting my priorities straight !  :lol:
And £60-100 is nothing in a 5 year plan...
I know people who can spend that amount going out at a weekend  and have nothing to show for it  :roll:
Anyway I can always abstain from cigarettes for a couple of weeks............ :thinks: bloody hell I've just realised if I did give up I could buy two of them in just over a month......... :christalmighty:
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: weareblind January 25, 2009, 04:30:49 PM
Anyway I can always abstain from cigarettes for a couple of weeks............ :thinks: bloody hell I've just realised if I did give up I could buy two of them in just over a month......... :christalmighty:
AH! That's the way, mate, NO CIGARETTES!!
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: freakinacage January 25, 2009, 05:08:48 PM
Thanks Gi6/x/gers  :D
you forgot Gifers  :lmao:
and gibers!
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: Captain Sprout January 25, 2009, 05:36:50 PM
Thanks Gi6/x/gers  :D
you forgot Gifers  :lmao:
and gibers!

 :lol:
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: grekwood January 25, 2009, 06:16:04 PM
Thanks Gi6/x/gers  :D
you forgot Gifers  :lmao:
and gibers!

 :lol:

i once thought it was Gilders  :roll:
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: gi6ers January 25, 2009, 06:58:54 PM
 :roll: :ot:

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: THX_1138 January 25, 2009, 10:13:51 PM
Judging by the size of the figure next to it, the round base it's currently on is either ~85mm or ~105mm - I can't remember whether Andy uses 25mm or 30mm bases for his figs.

It looks like its on one of Fenris Games' 100mm bases.
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: Twosoc January 26, 2009, 10:38:49 AM
Awesome sculpt, but just too huge to anywhere i've got to put it.  :tantrum:
I wan't one for the obscenely goodness of it though!
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Big Boris January 26, 2009, 11:38:36 AM
It looks like its on one of Fenris Games' 100mm bases.

It is. I took the rock off a homemade 80mm square base, though, and will be badgering fenris to make me a proper 80mm one nearer the time that the dragon is finished.

I'll post an update tonight or tomorrow re the dragon. Although it doesn't look like much work has been done, trust me, it's been a lot of work. I've had to re-do the neck several times to add bulk or reposition the head slightly. So annoying. Spent half an hour just carefully cutting into the neck to remove it so I could get in to the inside curve. I've got a set of horns on the go that I'm not 100% sure I like, so I'll be asking your opinions.
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: Vermis January 26, 2009, 11:41:29 AM
so I'll be asking your opinions.

*Cracks knuckles*
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: tumblebomb January 26, 2009, 06:15:19 PM
Oh yes! the dragon to beat all dragons. I shall certainly put in a deposit when I can afford- but for now I'm feeling poor due to buying my first car and its insurance.  :notworthy:
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Big Boris January 26, 2009, 06:20:47 PM
OK, I've just uploaded some new pics to the site:

http://heresyminiatures.com/dragonwip.htm

I like the top horns, but the lower horns feel sort of odd. They'll look a bit different once finished, but it gives the dragon a different character...

I think I may make all the horns separate so people can add to taste. I'll be doing some longer 'elegant' horns too.
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: Beastlord January 26, 2009, 06:41:24 PM
Really like the horns, and I think the lower ones balance the head more and make it look more 'finished'...
The neck looks excellent in that closeup  :applause:
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: Vermis January 26, 2009, 06:48:39 PM
Oh yes.  That's quite excellent. :D

The horn texture seems a little rough in the the top two pics, but better in the third.  The joys of photographing procreate?
The two-horned look and four-horned look both look great to me.  If push comes to shove I think I'd pick the four horns, for the same balance reason.
Loving the compression wrinkles in the neck.

What's the human mini used for scale?  I'm getting a Peter Cushing vibe off it.
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: Big Boris January 26, 2009, 06:51:57 PM
What's the human mini used for scale?  I'm getting a Peter Cushing vibe off it.

Right character, wrong actor ;) Been trying to finish that one but started a dragon instead. I hate doing clothing, but his face is quite good IMO (best from the front). Can you guess WHO it is now?
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: DRAGON January 26, 2009, 06:56:57 PM
Really like the horns, and I think the lower ones balance the head more and make it look more 'finished'...
The neck looks excellent in that closeup  :applause:
:metoo: A longer slender set of horns would probably look pretty cool  8)
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: Carcharoth January 26, 2009, 07:01:21 PM
Impressive. Glad you've decided to go for the fixed open jaw - looks suitably ferocious! :applause:
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Graeme January 26, 2009, 07:02:21 PM
What's the human mini used for scale?  I'm getting a Peter Cushing vibe off it.

Right character, wrong actor ;) Been trying to finish that one but started a dragon instead. I hate doing clothing, but his face is quite good IMO (best from the front). Can you guess WHO it is now?

Ecclescake?
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Big Boris January 26, 2009, 07:07:12 PM
You win a no-prize!
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: grekwood January 26, 2009, 07:10:21 PM
 :jawdrop: that is amazing, i wish i had space for it, it's almost as big as the mini fridge i have in my room

as for mr ecclescake.... finish him  :whip:


 :lol:
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: DRAGON January 26, 2009, 07:28:52 PM
:jawdrop: that is amazing, i wish i had space for it, it's almost as big as the mini fridge i have in my room
 

Easy solution - get rid of the fridge.............. :angel:
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: caerban January 26, 2009, 07:37:13 PM
I can't believe I'm going to say this but... it's getting better! I have to agree that the lower horns give the head a more balanced look. My one worry from the previous WIPs was that the head looked a little narrow but with the lower horns it's spot on. Excellent work, young man. 10/10
It's a shame the smileys don't contain a gold star or two as well.
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: grekwood January 26, 2009, 07:57:47 PM
:jawdrop: that is amazing, i wish i had space for it, it's almost as big as the mini fridge i have in my room
 

Easy solution - get rid of the fridge.............. :angel:
lol, thats one solution but where would i store my cold drinks  :lol:


It's a shame the smileys don't contain a gold star or two as well.
thats not a bad idea , gold star smileys, they would be quite useful  :thumbup:
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: bile January 26, 2009, 08:10:18 PM
I have to admit that i was not that imrpessed with the first pictures. But now...  i absolutely love the muscles and elbow-scales of its/his/her right arm. Love the pose and the head. Those hornes could be a little larger, but i would keep the triangle-shaped profile and give them only little structure, maybe even keep them smooth the way the right top horn is right now?

Will have to amend the household budget first, but i think you have a new customer here.
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: weareblind January 26, 2009, 08:21:33 PM
I think I may make all the horns separate so people can add to taste. I'll be doing some longer 'elegant' horns too.
(http://forum.360network.it/images/smilies/em495b15dfb2.gif)
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: weareblind January 26, 2009, 08:24:41 PM
lol, thats one solution but where would i store my cold drinks  :lol:
Out in the cold.
http://www.lyricsfreak.com/j/judas+priest/out+in+the+cold_20076166.html
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: beefcake January 26, 2009, 08:28:48 PM
Completely agree with the four horns idea. It adds much more ferociusness to the dragon. Personally I think the tongue is a little short, although I'm not saying it should protrude from the mouth as that would make it look more like a drunk dragon. It's getting better by the day. Great work Andy.
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: bile January 26, 2009, 08:37:18 PM
Oh yes! the dragon to beat all dragons.

...heimlich aber modellierte er den Einen Drachen, der alle andren beherrschte...

(Sorry, is it a sacrilege to quote the Silmarillion in German?)
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: weareblind January 26, 2009, 08:42:18 PM
Oh yes! the dragon to beat all dragons.

...heimlich aber modellierte er den Einen Drachen, der alle andren beherrschte...

(Sorry, is it a sacrilege to quote the Silmarillion in German?)
You mean "Anderen"?
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: a_thousand_hats January 26, 2009, 09:20:17 PM
Really like the horns, and I think the lower ones balance the head more and make it look more 'finished'...
:metoo:

I really like the horned head - four horns definitely.

 :applause:

I should be putting my preorder in tomorrow when my cashflow becomes less glacial (blinking clients!).

I'd much prefer the dragon to have the lizard 'hidden' privates rather than have to face painting them swinging in the wind.

If dragons didn't hide their 'bits' behind some dragonscale armour plating they'd be a lot easier for treasure hunters to 'do in' . A Dragon's reputation as a ferocious killer would be completely ruined if a couple of once-terrified villagers saw one writhing around on the floor howling after a sneaky halfling had delivered a swift kick to the happy sack before legging it with the best loot from the treasure hoard.

I can almost hear a bunch of dwarfs chanting from a side tunnel in a lonely mountain, "easy, easy, easy..."

:)
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Big Boris January 26, 2009, 09:31:28 PM
Fear not, there are no dragon danglies for you to cope with. They don't have them like mammals do, there are links in the first page IIRC.

They are retained within the body until needed. Much more disgusting/terrifying to look at when they do pop out though. Besides, I think this dragon is probably female. She's quite big.
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: freakinacage January 26, 2009, 10:36:08 PM
awesomeness. like the lower horns
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: mcfonz January 26, 2009, 10:42:41 PM
Fear not, there are no dragon danglies for you to cope with. They don't have them like mammals do, there are links in the first page IIRC.

They are retained within the body until needed. Much more disgusting/terrifying to look at when they do pop out though. Besides, I think this dragon is probably female. She's quite big.

At first that sounded good and then I thought once more of Terry Pratchet. Then I thought of the shoot him in the "voonerables" lines. This means that either the Dragon in the story was like a living death star and made the shot one in a million or he had let his mobile phone drop out of his pocket . . . .   :whaaa: (if you catch my drift).
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: Mr Teufel January 26, 2009, 11:47:54 PM
Well, in the Pratchetverse one-in-a-million events happen nine times out of ten.  :P
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: Ajsalium January 27, 2009, 12:06:39 AM
Excellent. As everybody says, this is getting better and better. :thumbup:

Oh! Love that Peter Cushing too...
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: Beastlord January 27, 2009, 01:07:00 AM
At first that sounded good and then I thought once more of Terry Pratchet. Then I thought of the shoot him in the "voonerables" lines. This means that either the Dragon in the story was like a living death star and made the shot one in a million or he had let his mobile phone drop out of his pocket . . . .   :whaaa: (if you catch my drift).

IIRC that dragon was female anyway...
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Molotov January 27, 2009, 07:30:48 AM
as for mr ecclescake.... finish him  :whip:

 :metoo:
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: freakinacage January 27, 2009, 10:32:06 AM


At first that sounded good and then I thought once more of Terry Pratchet. Then I thought of the shoot him in the "voonerables" lines. This means that either the Dragon in the story was like a living death star and made the shot one in a million
pratchett always said, if theres a million to one chance, then the 1 has to happen!
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: Jimmy January 27, 2009, 12:21:05 PM
million to one chances happen 9 times out of 10 [?]
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: Mr Teufel January 27, 2009, 01:45:47 PM
You have to read Terry Pratchet.
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: bile January 27, 2009, 01:59:39 PM
million to one chances happen 9 times out of 10 [?]

only if it brings you out of the frying pan into the fire.

: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Vermis January 27, 2009, 06:08:27 PM
Less Pratchett moar dragon plzkthx.  Or I'll counter-attack with Tolkien's poetry.

On-topic, on-topic, uh... Andy, you mentioned doing an armoured mount version (IIRC).  Are you still thinking of doing conversion packs for that kind of thing, + zombie dragons etc.?
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Tiacapan January 27, 2009, 06:54:50 PM
Loving the horns (both the top and bottom set) Andy!

:twocents:
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: weareblind January 27, 2009, 08:33:01 PM
Less Pratchett moar dragon plzkthx.  Or I'll counter-attack with Tolkien's poetry.
I love you Vermis.
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: a_thousand_hats January 28, 2009, 10:35:15 AM
Order done (I've ordered some other bits separately) - looking forward to spending a long time on painting this one.

I think I'd better practice painting scales - my dragon is going to be green.

:)
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: Vermis January 28, 2009, 10:53:44 AM
:) My dragon is going to be...

...

I don't know what colour my dragon's going to be! :(

Weareblind: I saw this in Wayne's World Thank you.
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: justsumguy January 28, 2009, 11:21:46 AM
Whatever you do Andy dont change those horns! The whole face is fantastic.
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: agentmolar January 28, 2009, 11:30:57 AM
I tried to place an order but it wouldnt update the shopping cart, even with a 1 in the preorder field. Ill have to try later.
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Ajsalium January 28, 2009, 11:35:12 AM
You can use Paypal directly if the shopping cart gives you problems (that's what I did):

If you wish to pay a deposit on this dragon to reserve one or more for yourself then please either Paypal me £30 to orders@heresyminiatures.com (Choose 'Send Money' from your Paypal account homepage, then choose 'Personal Payments' then 'Money Owed', then enter that email address as the address to send money to, make the subject title Dragon Deposit) Or you can use the regular shopping basket by going to the dragon's wip page on the main Heresy site. You can pay more than £30 if you wish to. It would certainly help me out with my tax bill.
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: weareblind January 28, 2009, 12:17:37 PM
:) My dragon is going to be...

...

I don't know what colour my dragon's going to be! :(
Black, red, or golden. I have some months to think about it...
(http://digilander.libero.it/le.faccine/faccinea/vacanze/00060023.gif)
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: agentmolar January 28, 2009, 12:28:42 PM
You can use Paypal directly if the shopping cart gives you problems (that's what I did):

If you wish to pay a deposit on this dragon to reserve one or more for yourself then please either Paypal me £30 to orders@heresyminiatures.com (Choose 'Send Money' from your Paypal account homepage, then choose 'Personal Payments' then 'Money Owed', then enter that email address as the address to send money to, make the subject title Dragon Deposit) Or you can use the regular shopping basket by going to the dragon's wip page on the main Heresy site. You can pay more than £30 if you wish to. It would certainly help me out with my tax bill.

Ta, missed that.
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: Dolmot January 28, 2009, 04:09:52 PM
I don't know what colour my dragon's going to be! :(

Yep. It's a difficult decision, although this (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0626.html) made me want to go black...
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: DRAGON January 28, 2009, 04:24:08 PM
I was thinking along the lines of my Ral partha dragon http://forum-of-doom.com/index.php?topic=9986.0 maybe slightly lighter in tone of even brown flecked with gold....................  :thinks:
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: justsumguy January 28, 2009, 08:38:46 PM
Getting paid on friday so expect an order from me then. Again, the face, horns etc are fantastic.

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: weareblind January 28, 2009, 08:51:00 PM
It seems to me that the "harvest" is getting good...
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: grekwood January 29, 2009, 12:08:29 PM
I was thinking along the lines of my Ral partha dragon http://forum-of-doom.com/index.php?topic=9986.0 maybe slightly lighter in tone of even brown flecked with gold....................  :thinks:
make your dragons Welsh...paint them red   :lol:
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: DRAGON January 29, 2009, 05:08:37 PM
Or I could go with the English white dragon.......... :whistle:
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: beefcake January 29, 2009, 06:42:18 PM
If you can't decide what colour just buy more and have every colour, right Andy?
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: weareblind January 29, 2009, 07:13:21 PM
Good point! :metoo:
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: Vermis January 30, 2009, 12:26:28 AM
Do you accept begging letters, Beefcake?
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: Captain Sprout January 30, 2009, 02:56:47 AM
Liking the new pictures, neatly coinciding with end of month. Dragony deposit sent.
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: beefcake January 30, 2009, 05:18:39 AM
Do you accept begging letters, Beefcake?

I do accept them I just don't reply... then I shift houses... and change names... and, no I won't go there.
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: justsumguy January 31, 2009, 09:16:33 AM
Monies is sent.  muahahahaha
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Wildheart January 31, 2009, 02:53:33 PM
I'd love one, can't afford to buy at the moment (the wife would murderise me to death! :erm:), as I'm just not earning the money to justify such an extravagence. If the situation changes however...   :smile:

I must say this is one of the best Dragons I've ever seen, and I'd certainly love to paint one up.
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: BulldogUK February 01, 2009, 12:57:52 PM
They are retained within the body until needed. Much more disgusting/terrifying to look at when they do pop out though. Besides, I think this dragon is probably female. She's quite big.

Big females? Obviously lives on a diet of lard sandwiches and comes from Castleford then! You should visit for more inspiriation  :crazy:
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: weareblind February 01, 2009, 02:00:53 PM
No thanks... I prefer this English woman.
Now, here we have a VERY popular TV series, named "Commissario Manara" - "Policeman Manara" (uhm, if I'm no wrong, Commissar, in English, means: a person who tries to control public opinion. So, not a good literally translation).
One actress is Jane Alexander
http://www.janealexander.net/
I don't find an English page on the web...
She has a TOTALLY PERFECT Italian, I discovered she's English only because I searched a review of the series.
So, please, send us some other compatriot...
 :notworthy:
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: justsumguy February 01, 2009, 03:48:23 PM
I wouldnt say no.  :angel:
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Mr Teufel February 02, 2009, 01:29:32 AM
No thanks... I prefer this English woman.
Now, here we have a VERY popular TV series, named "Commissario Manara" - "Policeman Manara" (uhm, if I'm no wrong, Commissar, in English, means: a person who tries to control public opinion. So, not a good literally translation)...
Is he a high rank? Does he run a whole division or a special task force? It might translate as "Commissioner" like Batman's friend, Commissioner Gordon.
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Captain_Jack February 02, 2009, 03:02:53 AM
awww man that is soo dope and super fly on every level in the ubersuperdopeiverse.  It takes tiny little vibrating strings of dope matter and super fly energy and before you know Heresy String theory designed against those with linonophobia.  If it wasn't gonna be sooo very gross and awkward and a stark defiance of the nature of procreation Andy, I'd bear your illegitimate love child.

basically I think I'm just saying that I think it is good.


: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: weareblind February 02, 2009, 09:03:27 AM
No thanks... I prefer this English woman.
Now, here we have a VERY popular TV series, named "Commissario Manara" - "Policeman Manara" (uhm, if I'm no wrong, Commissar, in English, means: a person who tries to control public opinion. So, not a good literally translation)...
Is he a high rank? Does he run a whole division or a special task force? It might translate as "Commissioner" like Batman's friend, Commissioner Gordon.
Uhm... No, he runs a small division of a little town, 8 people...
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: keeper40k February 02, 2009, 12:29:28 PM
I think Commmisar is probably equivalent to a British police Inspector, or an American Lieutenant.

Nice link, wereareblind :)  But next time, give us a NSFW warning, please ;)
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: Avicenna February 02, 2009, 01:17:11 PM
But next time, give us a NSFW warning, please ;)

yeah, I am sure I saw a nipple...! :P
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: weareblind February 02, 2009, 02:24:33 PM
I think Commmisar is probably equivalent to a British police Inspector, or an American Lieutenant.

Nice link, wereareblind :)  But next time, give us a NSFW warning, please ;)
Not suitable/safe for work (NSFW)  :scratchhead:
Excuse me, I saw the photogallery, she's a "normal" actress... or not?
Are you referring to the pics of the "renaissance"? Anyway, excuse me (you all) if I caused troubles.
Now, Inspector = Ispettore (same word) and Lieutenant = Luogotenente (same word but, for us, only a military meaning - non used for civil employees).
Anyway, a "commissario" is a "police inspector"
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: RiTides Nids February 04, 2009, 03:18:03 AM
I sent a deposit last week just before the deadline for your taxes :) I love the dragon, and I hope you can make it through the tough times financially! You're very skilled and I look forward to seeing it finished in the summer sometime :)
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Inso February 13, 2009, 12:34:16 PM
So...

...any further pix of the Dragon Yet? :mrgreen:
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: weareblind February 13, 2009, 06:25:53 PM
So...

...any further pix of the Dragon Yet? :mrgreen:
:metoo:
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Toosh February 13, 2009, 07:18:18 PM
I'm sure if he had some more pics they would be here already! :wink:  It is afteral going to be one of his flagship models I suspect :D
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Vermis February 13, 2009, 10:47:40 PM
Have to admit the radio silence is making me a bit worried.
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Argonor February 13, 2009, 11:15:11 PM
Have to admit the radio silence is making me a bit worried.

On the 5th I received my first Heresy order (some minis for Chaos In Carpathia + a lolly, which I had to hide for my TWO daughters) - so he's in there, somewhere  :shrug:
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Big Boris February 13, 2009, 11:49:30 PM
Been very very busy casting and remaking moulds to stock up for the show on sunday at Hammerhead. Haven't touched the dragon for ages. Almost finished Doctor Ecclescake, although i think I might have to resculpt his coat cos it's a bit rubbish as is. No pics yet. Come see me at the show if you're in the area!
Will try to take some updates next week when i'm less stressed out.
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: anevilgiraffe February 15, 2009, 08:50:06 PM
Almost finished Doctor Ecclescake, although i think I might have to resculpt his coat cos it's a bit rubbish as is. No pics yet.

 :tantrum:
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: grekwood February 16, 2009, 02:41:16 PM
Almost finished Doctor Ecclescake, although i think I might have to resculpt his coat cos it's a bit rubbish as is. No pics yet.

 :tantrum:

 :lol:

almost finished....excellent  :jawdrop:

 :whip:


 :wry:

: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Vermis February 16, 2009, 05:30:49 PM
Am I the only one thinking: "Nuts to Dr. Ecclescake.  What's the title of this topic?"  :geek: :lol:
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: grekwood February 16, 2009, 06:41:00 PM
Am I the only one thinking: "Nuts to Dr. Ecclescake.  What's the title of this topic?"  :geek: :lol:

Ecclescake vs the Dragon........ one has teeth and can fly the other a sonic screwdriver and can time travel  :shrug:
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: DRAGON February 16, 2009, 06:48:40 PM
Am I the only one thinking: "Nuts to Dr. Ecclescake.  What's the title of this topic?"  :geek: :lol:
:metoo: :lol:
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: weareblind February 16, 2009, 06:54:44 PM
Am I the only one thinking: "Nuts to Dr. Ecclescake.  What's the title of this topic?"  :geek: :lol:
:metoo: :lol:
:metoo: :whistle:
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Avicenna February 16, 2009, 07:07:49 PM
No, you're not alone in that! Dragon or bust :P
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Toosh February 16, 2009, 07:09:33 PM
Yup.....Eccles can go :swear: himself - gimmie the Dragon!!!  (pretty please) :wink:
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: gi6ers February 16, 2009, 09:10:26 PM
 :metoo:
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Hive Trygon February 16, 2009, 09:46:53 PM
How I missed this is beyond me. I love it. Best dragon ever made IMO. I think it's going to be a loooonnngggg time before some one ever gets close to touching that sculpt. Did I say how much I loved it.  :notworthy:
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: anevilgiraffe February 17, 2009, 09:39:01 AM
yes yes, the dragon is very nice, but it's just been a showcase for the true glory of Eccles...  :angel:
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: DanG February 17, 2009, 10:52:56 AM
Am I the only one thinking: "Nuts to Dr. Ecclescake.  What's the title of this topic?"  :geek: :lol:

To be quite fair and a whole lot less insulting...

This is true.  Please give Eccles a photo and create a new topic for the proper attention of our praise.
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Vermis February 17, 2009, 11:34:20 AM
To be quite fair and a whole lot less insulting...

Oh, well, heavens to Murgatroid.  Maybe I should've hinted that my opposition to Doctor Ecclescake was that he wasn't the topic of this thread.  Oh wait...

To be blunt, I'm not interested in 'Hugh' minis beyond the technical aspects, and I don't want to keep clicking on one topic to see a bunch of people post strings of emoticons about another, let alone one that doesn't interest me.  I know fodders could happily ramble on about it (or nothing in particular) for another page or so, with only hints of the original topic.

So, sorry Andy, if I seemed too dismissive.  I don't mind an aside about your progress in general, and I don't mind if people want to geek out over Ecclescake, but I'd prefer it if there was a different thread for the latter.
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: grekwood February 17, 2009, 01:21:47 PM
To be quite fair and a whole lot less insulting...

Oh, well, heavens to Murgatroid.  Maybe I should've hinted that my opposition to Doctor Ecclescake was that he wasn't the topic of this thread.  Oh wait...

To be blunt, I'm not interested in 'Hugh' minis beyond the technical aspects, and I don't want to keep clicking on one topic to see a bunch of people post strings of emoticons about another, let alone one that doesn't interest me.  I know fodders could happily ramble on about it (or nothing in particular) for another page or so, with only hints of the original topic.

So, sorry Andy, if I seemed too dismissive.  I don't mind an aside about your progress in general, and I don't mind if people want to geek out over Ecclescake, but I'd prefer it if there was a different thread for the latter.

you like Ecclescake really  :wink:


so.... any more dragon pictures then  :angel:

: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Big Boris February 18, 2009, 12:41:00 AM
Everyone calm down and stop being grumpy or I won't show you anything! ;)
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Argonor February 18, 2009, 08:33:45 AM
Sounds like my wife....  :roll:
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: weareblind February 18, 2009, 08:38:33 AM
Sounds like my wife....  :roll:
:thumbup:
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Mr Teufel February 19, 2009, 12:58:43 AM
Sounds like my wife....  :roll:
I don't need to know that!  :shock:

 :lmao:
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: DRAGON March 01, 2009, 06:37:46 PM
Are we gonna get a look at Salute Andy ?
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Big Boris March 01, 2009, 06:55:01 PM
Yup, it'll be there. I may even get a chance to do some more on it before then, if the Salute stock casting continues as well as it did over the weekend....
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: DRAGON March 01, 2009, 06:59:02 PM
 :lalala: Woo Hoo !  :lalala:
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: somaticon March 02, 2009, 03:07:24 PM
OMFG!!!! now thats a dragon :notworthy:
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Ajsalium March 02, 2009, 03:28:39 PM
Indeed. I'm gonna paint mine red and call him Shratak Eternalflame, who happens to be the father of all (red) dragons in my home-made fantasy setting.
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: DRAGON March 02, 2009, 08:08:10 PM
I'm gonna call mine Bob.................. :lol:
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Argonor March 02, 2009, 08:17:08 PM
I'd go for... 'Puff'...?   :whistle:
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: weareblind March 02, 2009, 08:53:04 PM
Indeed. I'm gonna paint mine red and call him Shratak Eternalflame, who happens to be the father of all (red) dragons in my home-made fantasy setting.
I'm thinking about it, but now I can't decide between red, black, golden.
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: TeddyC March 18, 2009, 12:24:42 AM
im tempted... oh so tempted....

But I mainly wargame with mine and unfortunately... dwarfs and Lizardmen dont use dragons!

maybe I will start a Wood elf army and this can be my lords mount. if thats the case mine is likely to be green.
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Custom_Hobby March 18, 2009, 03:56:05 PM
It looks amazing already!
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: a_thousand_hats March 23, 2009, 11:50:49 AM
I just saw on the heresy home page that the dragon may be completed for Salute!

If I'm reading that wrong then let me know but does this mean that we'll be seeing the final version shortly (the next couple of weeks) and those of us preordering will be needing to get the rest of the cash over to you?

I'm trying to work out how much cash I need to keep available for my post-salute splurge on FoD companies - gotta sell some oldie Citadel stuff to make way for the new toys!  :wry:
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: caerban March 23, 2009, 03:23:32 PM
I just saw on the heresy home page that the dragon may be completed for Salute!

If I'm reading that wrong then let me know but does this mean that we'll be seeing the final version shortly (the next couple of weeks) and those of us preordering will be needing to get the rest of the cash over to you?

I'm trying to work out how much cash I need to keep available for my post-salute splurge on FoD companies - gotta sell some oldie Citadel stuff to make way for the new toys!  :wry:

I was going to moan at you lot to stop reviving this topic until Andy has an update for us, I can't take the emotional rollercoaster of seeing an update and then having my hopes dashed when no new drool-worthy images appear.
But this is a good question.
So I won't :D
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: agentmolar March 23, 2009, 10:48:47 PM
Hmmm. i must be getting close for another deposit towards this monster. I think i need to see another update to spur me towards my credit card......  :twisted:
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Mr Teufel March 23, 2009, 11:48:59 PM
I just saw on the heresy home page that the dragon may be completed for Salute!

If I'm reading that wrong then let me know but does this mean that we'll be seeing the final version shortly (the next couple of weeks) and those of us preordering will be needing to get the rest of the cash over to you?

I'm trying to work out how much cash I need to keep available for my post-salute splurge on FoD companies - gotta sell some oldie Citadel stuff to make way for the new toys!  :wry:

I was going to moan at you lot to stop reviving this topic until Andy has an update for us, I can't take the emotional rollercoaster of seeing an update and then having my hopes dashed when no new drool-worthy images appear.
But this is a good question.
So I won't :D
I think you guys are misreading the entry.
I'll be bringing the dragon (once I've re-attached its various limbs) for you to look at and maybe even a small amount of pre-release castings if all goes according to plan during the next week.
I don't think the pre-release castings are necessarily of the dragon. I could be wrong, though.  :scratchhead:
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Big Boris March 24, 2009, 07:55:57 AM
Well, I was hoping to have done more on the Dragon and also to bring along some pre-release castings of the next batch of metal figs, but it's just not working out that way. I've only got one mould left that I could use to make a new production mould of the metal masters I have, and no money to my name to spend on more until after salute. So you'll get to see the dragon WIP, Dr ecclescake and a blight musician, and some masters of the next releases (out after salute) but not be able to buy any of those same figs on the day, sorry.
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: gi6ers March 24, 2009, 08:05:55 AM
Will be good to see some new stuff on the day, will folks be able to pre-order or register interest on the stand?
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: a_thousand_hats March 24, 2009, 09:26:09 AM
Thanks for the update Andy.

It sounds like you're right up against it at the mo, stick with it fella, 'that which doesn't kill us makes us stronger' and all that.
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Shaved Dwarf March 26, 2009, 01:39:06 PM
"Blight musician"? Well, that sounds good to me!
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Custom_Hobby March 26, 2009, 03:11:27 PM
So you'll get to see the dragon WIP, Dr ecclescake and a blight musician, and some masters of the next releases (out after salute) but not be able to buy any of those same figs on the day, sorry.

I know Andy will be very busy, so someone please take some good pictures of these for the rest of us who can't go to the show.
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: freakinacage March 29, 2009, 12:36:12 PM
looks even better in the flesh andy
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: alrith72 March 29, 2009, 01:12:06 PM
yep, it is one impressive beastie but the only way i could have bought it yesterday is if i'd won the £500 Salute prize draw, which i didn't.....
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Geckilian March 29, 2009, 01:25:04 PM
Indeed, it's a lovely dragon. I was also hoping to win the £500 (obviously) to get a royal shedload of Heresy, Hasslefree and Twilight figures, but alas...
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Vermis March 29, 2009, 07:21:04 PM
"Blight musician"? Well, that sounds good to me!

It was quite impressive. :)
Which might sound odd because it was perched just below the revolving stand holding the dragon.
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Enazel March 29, 2009, 09:15:43 PM
This is either more stunning in person.
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Mr Teufel March 30, 2009, 03:05:33 AM
Pixplsthxkay?
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: alien March 30, 2009, 09:24:14 AM
I saw it at Salute, and is AMAIZING.
 :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: gi6ers March 30, 2009, 09:29:46 AM
The 2 other greens were amazing too, didn't take pics sorry. The blight musician is top notch and the Dr was a good resemblance.
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Avicenna March 30, 2009, 09:50:20 AM
Not-Ecclestone looked really very good, even in the presence of the awe inspiring dragon!


: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: grekwood March 30, 2009, 07:53:12 PM
the Dr was a good resemblance.
Not-Ecclestone looked really very good, even in the presence of the awe inspiring dragon!




this is very good news  :yup:
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Buggrit April 02, 2009, 03:58:31 PM
I thought Dr Ecclescake looked awesome. Andy's really nailed the look of his face, it's a bang on likeness.
And I will probably succum to a dragon at some point (although it'll probably be a dust catcher because I don't actually play anything that I could use it in, other than maybe WFQ when the characters are stupidly powerful!)
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Custom_Hobby April 02, 2009, 04:00:54 PM
Andy do you have any newer pics of where you are on the WIP of the Dragon?
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: vampifan April 02, 2009, 04:20:16 PM
Andy do you have any newer pics of where you are on the WIP of the Dragon?

 :metoo:
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Big Boris April 02, 2009, 07:19:59 PM
Not just yet. I have ordered a couple of really good, really bright, daylight bulbs and a light tent to photo the dragon in, I also intend to take a few days off next week and sit down to some sculpting; I've had a lot of stuff to sort out this week, and I only just caught up on the orders today after salute.

FYI, the daylight bulbs are these ones:
http://www.stevesphotoshop.co.uk/daylight_fluorescent_bulb_5000k_50w.html

Should fit into regular desklamps unless I'm being a prannit (A word my wife uses, which I have just googled and found to be in actual usage) and have just spent forty quid on things that need specialist lamps to hold them...

I also found a really bright daylight lamp on this site (prices exc vat, BTW) (UK voltage only)

http://www.rapidonline.com/Electrical-Power/Elect-Prod-Lighting/Lighting/Twin-fluorescent-bench-lamp/66832/kw/86-3356?source=googleps&utm_source=googleps

It's expensive compared to a desk lamp at £87.00 but you're getting the equivalent of 150W of daylight, and the RRP is supposed to be £130, so it's actually a bit cheaper than you'd expect.
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Custom_Hobby April 03, 2009, 10:23:22 PM
Thanks for the update Andy. I wish I lived in the UK. With my current situation I definitely have the time to help you out.
: Re: The first ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress)
: Tomato April 12, 2009, 04:07:30 PM
This dragon is definitively the coolest I've ever seen, all categories. I'm quite sure I'm going to buy one, can't promise I'll pre-order it though. As usually, it's the economy that makes the final decision. :x
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress) [UPDATED]
: Big Boris May 10, 2009, 08:07:02 PM
OK, peeps. An updated pic or two on the WIP page for the Dragon now. Been a long, dull week. If you've been following me on Twitter, you will already know the details.
Go looky (http://www.heresyminiatures.com/dragonwip.htm)

: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress) [UPDATED]
: caerban May 10, 2009, 08:26:47 PM
Eeeeexcellent, Smithers! *rubs hands with glee*
Just put down deposit #2.



Actually that sounds quite rude...
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress) [UPDATED]
: freakinacage May 10, 2009, 08:36:55 PM
goody goody! shouldn't you have finished him by now?! (ducks)
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress) [UPDATED]
: Beastlord May 10, 2009, 09:00:44 PM
That is fantastic....  :drownindrool: cant wait to hold it!
Will the rock be part of the cast?
I like the way he has no unnecessary bulk, he's quite slim.

Will put another deposit on soon as I can...
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress) [UPDATED]
: Vermis May 10, 2009, 10:35:07 PM
Good progress, Andy. :)  I'm interested in having a closer look at the texture on the back of the 'shank' (http://www.frontrangefrenzy.com/horsecare/images/horse_anatomy.jpg).
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress) [UPDATED]
: Big Boris May 10, 2009, 11:37:59 PM
That bit ain't done yet, really. I just drew in some lines for now until I work out what to with it.
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress) [UPDATED]
: justsumguy May 11, 2009, 01:16:35 PM
Awesome.
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress) [UPDATED]
: Graeme May 11, 2009, 01:18:49 PM
 :drool:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress) [UPDATED]
: Avicenna May 11, 2009, 01:20:16 PM
I'm lovin' it!
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress) [UPDATED]
: Geckilian May 11, 2009, 02:40:57 PM
As such this Dragon shall now henceforth be known as 'The McDragon'.
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress) [UPDATED]
: caerban May 11, 2009, 03:13:33 PM
As such this Dragon shall now henceforth be known as 'The McDragon'.

See Andy? It's got a nickname already. In the far future when geeks are huddled together over a sticky round table with wobbly legs in a CAMRA pub discussing what rare minis they darkly desire they won't refer to Heresy's "Angrammarron - Grand Dragon of Doom" or whatever you decide to call it in the end. It'll be the McDragon uttered in the same hushed tones as the Chicken Dragon. And I'm sure in your facilities somewhere, as you sit on your 46 part resin throne (ordered from Fenris) and order your badly burned Albanian children to rustle up the next casting run of Big Boris mark 34(b) or it's no bubblegum pie for them, you'll smile with accomplishment.

Now get on with them wings  :wink:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (Work In Progress) [UPDATED]
: weareblind May 11, 2009, 03:26:49 PM
I'm lovin' it!
:metoo:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED May 10th]
: Cait Sidhe May 11, 2009, 07:15:00 PM
 :shock: Sweet lord, I may have to reconsider my decision to avoid massive projects like dragons.
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED May 10th]
: Custom_Hobby May 11, 2009, 07:25:03 PM
 :metoo: They are good for the soul you know :yup: :wink:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED May 10th]
: DRAGON May 11, 2009, 07:58:36 PM
I don't like it anymore.............. in fact I dont want one..................
 :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED May 10th]
: beefcake May 13, 2009, 06:28:53 AM
I take it 10 :lmao:in a row = sarcastic remark
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED May 10th]
: Alxbates May 13, 2009, 10:21:26 PM
Yep.  Alright.  Finally convinced me to put a deposit down.

Haven't bought a dragon in years, but this one's finally gone beyond just temptation.  Looks excellent, just excellent.

 :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

-Alex in Alaska
-Forge of Ice
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED May 10th]
: Squigface May 13, 2009, 10:59:39 PM
Love it, will put down a deposit soon, painting a commision which will pay for it atm, should be fun, the dragony-est dragon I've seen, fits with my mental image perfectly. And I like the lower horns too :)

Squig
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED May 10th]
: Amazon warrior May 15, 2009, 08:11:51 PM
OoooOOoOo!  Want, want, want!  :boing:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED May 10th]
: Beastlord May 27, 2009, 10:40:10 PM
Andy - Just wondering, as I will soon have enough money to pay another deposit, how much should we pay you in total? Up to £100? Or should we just leave it at the second £30 for now? Just incase I have enough to do more than one...
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED May 10th]
: vectrum June 15, 2009, 08:49:59 PM
any chance of seeing an end to this soon? it seems ages since placing a deposit and i carnt wate
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED May 10th]
: gi6ers June 15, 2009, 09:31:21 PM
or spell
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED May 10th]
: grekwood June 15, 2009, 09:49:50 PM
 :lol:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED May 10th]
: Nosferatu June 16, 2009, 01:20:22 AM
or spell

 :kick: Ouch!  ...Harsh, but fair.  :lol:


I still haven't ordered mine yet.  :oops: I will of course get one but I just spent almost AUD$4000 on a new camera and the wife was a little  :angrywife: :axeman: ...so I'm officially not buying any more minis 'till the dust settles.  :terrified:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED May 10th]
: Big Boris June 16, 2009, 01:03:40 PM
any chance of seeing an end to this soon? it seems ages since placing a deposit and i carnt wate

You'd be amazed how hard it is to set aside uninterrupted time to work on the dragon right now. I can only apologise for the delay again, I thought it would be a lot quicker and easier to finish than it has proven to be.
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED May 10th]
: DRAGON June 16, 2009, 07:36:29 PM
I'm  not going to mention anything......................... just sitting here patiently.....................  :angel:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED May 10th]
: vectrum June 16, 2009, 07:38:07 PM
or spell

oh what a big man you are :applause:

i bet your one of those sick rubber neckers that have to slow down and have a good look at the mangled body thats still
pinned in the car at the scene of an accident.

why not go and kick the crutches out from under a disabled person while your at it?
you could let the wind out of the tyres on a mobility scooter?
or you could stand behind a blind person on the street and start beeping to make them think there at a crossing.
or you can just take the piss out of someone the school system failed.

: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED May 10th]
: Beastlord June 16, 2009, 07:49:13 PM
Ouch, looks like gi6ers touched a nerve  :?

I dont think he was taking the piss.

 :(
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED May 10th]
: gi6ers June 16, 2009, 08:22:55 PM
@Vectrum - your spelling improves when you are angry.
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED May 10th]
: mcfonz June 16, 2009, 08:25:42 PM
@Vectrum - your spelling improves when you are angry.

Ahem . . . . . <coughpunctuationcough cough cough>

Now now gi6ers, do play nicely shant thee?
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED May 10th]
: gi6ers June 16, 2009, 08:26:57 PM
stop picking on me you nasty internet person  :D
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED May 10th]
: DRAGON June 16, 2009, 08:30:40 PM
or spell

oh what a big man you are :applause:

i bet your one of those sick rubber neckers that have to slow down and have a good look at the mangled body thats still
pinned in the car at the scene of an accident.

why not go and kick the crutches out from under a disabled person while your at it?
you could let the wind out of the tyres on a mobility scooter?
or you could stand behind a blind person on the street and start beeping to make them think there at a crossing.
or you can just take the piss out of someone the school system failed.


Help I've got a stalker ..................  that's my saturday afternoon entertainment !  :angel:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED May 10th]
: Ryan June 16, 2009, 08:33:02 PM
there was still no need to pull him up on spelling especially as hes new, but if you do kick the crutches out from under a disabled person please get it on your mobile and stick it on youtube (an yeah i know im sick  :twisted:)

now stop arguing or ill shank the both of ya!  :angrywife:



seriously this used to be such a friendly place
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED May 10th]
: Big Boris June 16, 2009, 08:42:23 PM
@Vectrum
Please calm down, we don't do flame wars on the FOD. See Rules of Doom. Gi6ers was just making a joke, roll with it and fire a clever one-liner back...
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED May 10th]
: DRAGON June 16, 2009, 08:43:37 PM
DRAGONS breathe fire.......................... :whistle:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED May 10th]
: Wildheart June 16, 2009, 09:21:08 PM
Questionable punctuation aside, that's still a nice dragon! (Not you Dragon, though you probably are nice?)
I still can't afford one.  :blub:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED May 10th]
: caerban June 16, 2009, 09:25:10 PM
Look will you lot quit arguing and bend your psychic heeby-jeeby powers to willing Andy the inspiration and perspiration to drag himself through those last scaly plates and wings so we can all have one of these beasties!
 :hypnotised: :hypnotised: :hypnotised:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED May 10th]
: Big Boris June 16, 2009, 09:29:02 PM
DRAGONS breathe fire.......................... :whistle:

So I seem to recall, yes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vL1FKzk7g-s&feature=related
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED May 10th]
: Big Boris June 16, 2009, 09:30:48 PM
At th eminute I am once again cleaning up masters for moulds, by the way, hence no dragon action. Trying to get little things out to keep money coming in whilst I work on the dragon in the background. Lot of plates in the air.




: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED May 10th]
: Custom_Hobby June 16, 2009, 10:11:17 PM
DRAGONS breathe fire.......................... :whistle:

So I seem to recall, yes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vL1FKzk7g-s&feature=related


That was great. We didn't get that one over here in the US. Thanks Andy, LOL
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED May 10th]
: MightyAl June 16, 2009, 10:48:35 PM
DRAGONS breathe fire.......................... :whistle:

So I seem to recall, yes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vL1FKzk7g-s&feature=related

Does anyone else remember the ad that had the tundred in it? The "Oh, a Tundred! Sever one! Sever two!" "Free!" one?
Used to make me giggle.
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED May 10th]
: Vermis June 16, 2009, 11:54:16 PM
I thought it would be a lot quicker and easier to finish than it has proven to be.

I know that feeling.
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED May 10th]
: agentmolar June 17, 2009, 01:07:20 PM
Im just one more payment away from getting that dragon.... Excellent!
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED May 10th]
: Custom_Hobby June 17, 2009, 02:46:35 PM
Just tell someone they need a root canal  :wink:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED May 10th]
: vectrum June 17, 2009, 06:44:39 PM
@Vectrum - your spelling improves when you are angry.

That's because i had my Mrs looking over my shoulder and picking fault like you did.  :whip:

sorry if i went over the top in my responce but i get defensive when people start taking the pee.

@Andy Is the Dragon nearly done yet???    :angel:


oh and iv just found the spell checker
















: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED May 10th]
: Jimmy June 17, 2009, 06:55:25 PM
At th eminute I am once again cleaning up masters for moulds, by the way, hence no dragon action. Trying to get little things out to keep money coming in whilst I work on the dragon in the background. Lot of plates in the air.

I think this means that Andy is busy with other stuff at the moment mate. Im sure he would update this thread as soon as updates become avaliable.

Its difficult but we have to play the waiting game - That was the deal specified when we paid the deposit :)
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED May 10th]
: gi6ers June 17, 2009, 06:56:28 PM
 :thumbup:

: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED May 10th]
: vectrum June 17, 2009, 07:06:36 PM
 :thumbup:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED May 10th]
: Beastlord June 17, 2009, 07:31:09 PM
 :thumbup:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED May 10th]
: The Kapptin June 17, 2009, 08:36:46 PM
 :thumbup:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED May 10th]
: weareblind June 17, 2009, 09:20:32 PM
 :thumbup:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED May 10th]
: Custom_Hobby June 17, 2009, 09:32:14 PM
Why all the :spam: ? :crazy:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED May 10th]
: gi6ers June 17, 2009, 09:34:33 PM
It's not spam, we're trying to hitch a dragon  :whistle:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED May 10th]
: DRAGON June 17, 2009, 10:43:35 PM
It's not spam, we're trying to hitch a dragon  :whistle:
:horror: :christalmighty:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED May 10th]
: Vermis June 17, 2009, 11:34:14 PM
Why all the :spam: ? :crazy:

Because it's the FoD...  :paranoid2:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED May 10th]
: Custom_Hobby June 18, 2009, 03:38:21 PM
LOL @ all three of you :lmao:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED May 10th]
: RiTides Nids June 20, 2009, 12:02:01 AM
I'm still really excited about this, but I feel like I need to see a little more progress before sending the second installment of the deposit. Money is tight around here, so this will probably be my only miniature purchase for the entire year when I finish paying both deposits. So hopefully we'll get to see a little bit more, and you'll get the income from the second & third deposits, too!
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED May 10th]
: greenstuff_gav June 20, 2009, 10:16:05 PM
oh and iv just found the spell checker
oh sweet sweet irony!

i'd pay up in full if he'm were available  :angel:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED May 10th]
: DanG July 01, 2009, 12:26:20 PM
oh and iv just found the spell checker



You did that one deliberately didn't you!   

Dirty pull old man...  I like it.
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED May 10th]
: weareblind July 01, 2009, 12:29:08 PM
Every time I see a "new post" in this thread, heart starts to roar
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED May 10th]
: Big Boris July 01, 2009, 01:06:22 PM
Then I must apologise for this one ;)


Working on the dragon today. Still doing scales - have just slightly extended its waist to make its legs curl around underneath him more and thus reduce the minimum size of any other  base people might want to put it on. Never ending story, this dragon.
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED May 10th]
: Vermis July 01, 2009, 01:55:02 PM
You're not turning it into a luck dragon?  :shock:  Andy no!

I'll get me coat.
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED May 10th]
: Big Boris July 01, 2009, 05:24:11 PM
To the obscurereferencemobile!

Oh! One of those!
:lol:

No, although I was tempted to do so about halfway through trying to make the wings for the third time. ;)
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED May 10th]
: Avicenna July 01, 2009, 08:33:30 PM
:lol: and fur might be easier to sculpt ;)
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED May 10th]
: weareblind July 01, 2009, 08:33:54 PM
I've just finished to read this:
http://www.amazon.com/John-Howe-Forging-Dragons/dp/1600611397
Lot of ideas!!
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED May 10th]
: DRAGON July 01, 2009, 09:05:02 PM
:lol: and fur might be easier to sculpt ;)
He could always try feathers................... :angel: :whistle:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED May 10th]
: Vermis July 01, 2009, 10:29:20 PM
I've just finished to read this:

So have other people. :whistle:
If wings are giving you grief, Andy, you should try sculpting a swirly-conceptual-cosmic-nebula dragon.
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED May 10th]
: Big Boris July 01, 2009, 10:48:15 PM
Wing membranes are done. No grief from them any more. Bit unsure about the fingers. Tried doing tiny scales but they look too regular. May leave them smooth but it doesn't really gel with the rest of the scaly skin.
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED May 10th]
: Custom_Hobby July 01, 2009, 11:23:47 PM
Teaser pics?
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED May 10th]
: Amazon warrior July 02, 2009, 11:16:48 PM
Teaser pics?
:metoo:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED May 10th]
: Big Boris July 02, 2009, 11:46:16 PM
Not yet. But then it hasn't changed much from the last set, except to the trained eye.
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED May 10th]
: Big Boris July 07, 2009, 10:08:45 PM
Quick question - how attached are people to the current set of spines on the neck? Thinking of replacing them with a single line of more traditional spines, for ease of conversion into a rider-area later.
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED May 10th]
: caerban July 07, 2009, 10:17:44 PM
You mean that sorta crocodillian dual line? I actually really like it. Part of what makes it a bit more interesting than your standard. But then I'm unlikely to sully my lovely dragon with some filthy bipedal rider ;)
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED May 10th]
: Nosferatu July 07, 2009, 11:08:23 PM
Part of what makes it a bit more interesting than your standard.

 :metoo: I really like the double spines. Makes him special. It would be a shame to lose that feature, I reckon'.

...but then I haven't ordered one (yet) so feel free to ignore...
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED May 10th]
: Avicenna July 07, 2009, 11:41:55 PM
I like the double spines - definitely a cool feature :)
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED May 10th]
: Ajsalium July 07, 2009, 11:47:11 PM
I'm with the above posters. I like the dragon the way it is now. And, as Caerban, I won't put a rider on him; I'm pretty sure a dragon so big, ancient and venerable would not tolerate being just a mount.
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED May 10th]
: Enazel July 08, 2009, 07:38:21 AM
Sorry Andy, but got to agree with the others I like the double spines. :)
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED May 10th]
: Geckilian July 08, 2009, 07:43:16 AM
I also like the dual ridges - it was the second reason I actually paid the pre-order, after the 4 horns.
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED May 10th]
: Tiacapan July 08, 2009, 07:47:52 AM
Dual ridges gets my vote.
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED May 10th]
: Amazon warrior July 08, 2009, 08:14:22 AM
Yup, double ridges FTW!  Makes him a bit unique, y'know?
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED May 10th]
: weareblind July 08, 2009, 08:16:43 AM
Dual ridges for me too, I'm thinking about how to paint them with two colours.
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED May 10th]
: Jimmy July 08, 2009, 08:48:36 AM
pish posh - keep the double spines

No rider could tame that beast
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED May 10th]
: a_thousand_hats July 08, 2009, 09:20:00 AM
Double-spines look cool indeed - another vote there.

Perhaps to integrate a rider you could devise a cool saddle that sits into/around the shoulder area rather than on the neck behind the head. I'd imagine a rider armed with lance (or dragonlance ... hehe) would make his attack after the dragon had already done his thing as they swept past on a strafing run down the lines of the enemy army.

I can even see the rider issuing a , 'He' mine!' command as they dive into attack and the dragon angles it's dive so that the rider make his own attack at his chosen enemy while the dragon chews on a few nearby minions.

I can still see a rider on this dragon - they'd be lifelong companions rather simply rider and riding beast (at least in my head anyway).

I always find myself smirking at what I write when making up rationales for fantasy critters :wry: - but it's so much fun!  :D
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED May 10th]
: Big Boris July 08, 2009, 09:24:50 AM
Nuts. Have it your own way, then! :surrender: I'll just have to figure a way to get them to run past where the wing shoulder muscles (almost) meet on the back, after all... :scratchhead:

PS Don't blame me when a better-looking variant of the dragon comes out later and you have to buy a second one
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED May 10th]
: Big Boris July 08, 2009, 09:28:15 AM
I can still see a rider on this dragon - they'd be lifelong companions rather simply rider and riding beast (at least in my head anyway).

They've got that Dragon Fever!

Inter-species love always brings a tear to my eye. :blub:

Especially when one of them is 50 times bigger than the other. Ouch. :crazy:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED May 10th]
: a_thousand_hats July 08, 2009, 01:04:27 PM
Inter-species love always brings a tear to my eye. :blub:
Especially when one of them is 50 times bigger than the other. Ouch. :crazy:

That reminds me of a Dad's Army quote... "They don't like it up 'em sir!"  :shock:  :crazy:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED May 10th]
: Avicenna July 08, 2009, 01:21:20 PM
Nuts. Have it your own way, then! :surrender: I'll just have to figure a way to get them to run past where the wing shoulder muscles (almost) meet on the back, after all... :scratchhead:

you could always have the spines separate and run across each shoulder and a new set of spines start small after the shoulder muscles...
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED May 10th]
: DRAGON July 08, 2009, 07:14:39 PM
You mean that sorta crocodillian dual line? I actually really like it. Part of what makes it a bit more interesting than your standard. But then I'm unlikely to sully my lovely dragon with some filthy bipedal rider ;)
:metoo:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED May 10th]
: Custom_Hobby July 08, 2009, 09:51:35 PM
PS Don't blame me when a better-looking variant of the dragon comes out later and you have to buy a second one

Don't worry we can always use another one
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED May 10th]
: weareblind July 09, 2009, 05:23:08 PM
PS Don't blame me when a better-looking variant of the dragon comes out later and you have to buy a second one

Don't worry we can always use another one
We're here exactly for this. And maybe for a third one.
I'm thinking about this awesome beast:
(http://catalog.chaosium.com/images/CHA2017a.gif)
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED May 10th]
: Custom_Hobby July 09, 2009, 06:47:57 PM
Nice cover. Do you know who the artist was?
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED May 10th]
: weareblind July 10, 2009, 10:13:25 AM
Nice cover. Do you know who the artist was?
Maybe Michael Whelan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Whelan
Anyway, searching with Google Images, you'll find a lot of his totally astonishing pictures.
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED July 29th 09]
: Big Boris July 29, 2009, 04:11:14 PM
http://heresyminiatures.com/dragonwip.htm

New pics!
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED July 29th 09]
: caerban July 29, 2009, 04:23:20 PM
May I be the first to say "AWWWW HELL YEAH!"?
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED July 29th 09]
: Wildheart July 29, 2009, 04:48:22 PM
Outstanding!  :D
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED July 29th 09]
: Avicenna July 29, 2009, 05:16:17 PM
Oh yeah!!!

Andy, that is bloody fantastic!

You'd best be careful or you'll be known as Andy Foster 'the dragon guy' rather than 'the demon guy' after this!
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED July 29th 09]
: Geckilian July 29, 2009, 05:50:39 PM
That's looking very nice, and it's good to see the dual scale ridges.
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED July 29th 09]
: Toosh July 29, 2009, 07:13:45 PM
Wowsers.....the dragon is looking awesome!! :shock:  I particularly love the leg/foot detail - so like a birds and I also love the pic showing the view down between the shoulder blades with the details on the wings. FABULOUS!! :notworthy:

However, I also couldn't help noticing the statement "Big isn't he?" right next to a close-up of your crotch area.... Before anyone tells me off for perving (Avicenna in particular) - it's not my fault - it's Andy's jeans - not my genes :angel:  :whistle:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED July 29th 09]
: Vermis July 29, 2009, 07:23:09 PM
New pics!

:blink:

Yeeha! :mrgreen: :D  That thing is bootiful.

That's an awful lot of reworking.  I won't dictate your own tastes to you, but I thought the previous rock and feet were fine (depending if the latter was able to easily fit on a 50mm base...).  Still, the new versions kick arse (Lookit the texture on the toes!  Lookit!), as do the folds in the leg, the back scales - whether you'll put spikes on or not - and the texture of the wings, with the worn trailing edge.  Brilliant!
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED July 29th 09]
: Big Boris July 29, 2009, 07:29:59 PM
@Toosh
Tsk. Bringing it down to your level again. I dunno... :tsk:  :lol:

@Vermis
50mm base? Pah! NO chance! The old rock would squeeze onto a 75 by 80mm base. the (bottom of the) current one can technically fit onto the top of a Halford's spray can lid but I don't fancy the chances of anyone trying to balance it on a small base like that. (can't tell until the whole thing is finished and in one piece what the balance will be like, but I'm trying to centralise it as much as possible wihtout sacrificing aesthetics.)

I already have a lot of ideas for how to do this different in terms of spines, riders, new necks etc; having to force myself to remain on track with the current set-up...!
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED July 29th 09]
: a_thousand_hats July 29, 2009, 07:57:41 PM
Oh yeah!!!
Andy, that is bloody fantastic!
:metoo:

Absolutely fabulous - it made me grimace too, I'm going to have to construct that beast and then paint it...  :shock: :boing: :crazy:

It's fantastic and well worth the wait - great, great work chap.  :notworthy:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED July 29th 09]
: caerban July 29, 2009, 09:08:56 PM
I already have a lot of ideas for how to do this different in terms of spines, riders, new necks etc; having to force myself to remain on track with the current set-up...!

Don't worry. You can use all those ideas on the next one :D
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED July 29th 09]
: Ajsalium July 30, 2009, 12:07:20 AM
Instead of writing compliments, I've decided to place the second deposit on the dragon. :wink:
And ordered some scifi minis, too.

Keep the great work! :thumbup:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED July 29th 09]
: DRAGON July 30, 2009, 09:49:33 AM
Hell yeah !  :cool: :yup:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED July 29th 09]
: Mr Teufel July 30, 2009, 01:14:31 PM
http://heresyminiatures.com/dragonwip.htm

New pics!
Now I understand why I was so confused - the update says "July 29" but all the pictures have "June 29" on them!

Love the musculature, the toes, the claws... everything! (I've tried to resist commenting until now because I know I'll never buy one. 100GBP = $AU300, including postage. I just can't justify it to myself, even now I'm working. But that is one magnificent dragon you're making.)
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED July 29th 09]
: Big Boris July 30, 2009, 01:39:15 PM
Meh. June, July. Who can tell what month it is anymore? :shrug:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED July 29th 09]
: a_thousand_hats July 30, 2009, 04:14:59 PM
Meh. June, July. Who can tell what month it is anymore? :shrug:
True - it rains a lot in all of them nowadays - and I like it..  :whistle:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED July 29th 09]
: Big Boris July 30, 2009, 04:31:21 PM
True - it rains a lot in all of them nowadays - and I like it..  :whistle:

So speaks a man with truly no fear of ever getting his head wet...
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED July 29th 09]
: Tasker July 30, 2009, 07:39:49 PM
Holy freaking monstrously huge Dragons Batman!

 :crazy:

I want it!  I want it and I want it NOW DAMIT!!!!   :tantrum:   

That is awsome.

I reckon I know what the theme for everyones DoD next year is going to be.   :silly
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED July 29th 09]
: DRAGON July 30, 2009, 07:43:34 PM

I reckon I know what the theme for everyones DoD next year is going to be.   :silly
Gravbikes...........................?  :lmao:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED July 29th 09]
: Tasker July 30, 2009, 07:59:05 PM

I reckon I know what the theme for everyones DoD next year is going to be.   :silly
Gravbikes...........................?  :lmao:

Bingo!

We have a winner.   :silly
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED July 29th 09]
: agentmolar July 30, 2009, 10:12:42 PM
http://heresyminiatures.com/dragonwip.htm

New pics!
Now I understand why I was so confused - the update says "July 29" but all the pictures have "June 29" on them!

Love the musculature, the toes, the claws... everything! (I've tried to resist commenting until now because I know I'll never buy one. 100GBP = $AU300, including postage. I just can't justify it to myself, even now I'm working. But that is one magnificent dragon you're making.)

Thats what slow deposits are for. It makes the justification easier to swallow. Its only $100 a deposit, which will get you a white dwarf and half a squad of marines at GW  :Silly
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED July 29th 09]
: RiTides Nids August 05, 2009, 12:05:12 AM
 :applause: Bravo!!! This is looking great  :boing: :boing: :boing:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED July 29th 09]
: Squigface August 05, 2009, 02:15:46 AM
Just placed my deposit  :silly

squig
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED July 29th 09]
: Big Boris August 21, 2009, 12:56:48 PM
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/common/xLargeProductImage.jsp?mWidth=873px&mURL=/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m420179a_99110209208_Azhag1_873x627.jpg&mAlt=Azhag+the+Slaughterer&mHeight=627px

Is it me? Am I too used to my own enormous lizard? Or is that wyvern too puny looking to hold the weight of the orc bloke?
(Apparently, it's a metal model and costs just under £50. Mine's starting to look cheap after all...)
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED July 29th 09]
: Avicenna August 21, 2009, 01:09:27 PM
Pile o' bumfudgeTM compared to your dragon... and most definitely far too small for an Orc Warlord like Azhag the Slaughterer...

Its got a nice face though, but it just isnt impressive enough - especially at that price
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED July 29th 09]
: weareblind August 21, 2009, 01:58:16 PM
Pile o' bumfudgeTM compared to your dragon... and most definitely far too small for an Orc Warlord like Azhag the Slaughterer...

Its got a nice face though, but it just isnt impressive enough - especially at that price
:metoo:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED July 29th 09]
: Ajsalium August 21, 2009, 02:41:52 PM
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/common/xLargeProductImage.jsp?mWidth=873px&mURL=/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m420179a_99110209208_Azhag1_873x627.jpg&mAlt=Azhag+the+Slaughterer&mHeight=627px

Crap.
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED July 29th 09]
: Vermis August 21, 2009, 03:01:50 PM
Also by Trish 'I-don't-have-a-clue-what-I'm-doing-so-let's-whack-random-flagstones-and-wrinkles-on-it' Morrison. :whistle:

What on Earth is that huge fing behind Azhag?  It doesn't help the effect that he's too big for the Wyvern.  And the puppet hanging from it is way too overwrought as a piece of symbolism.  :lol:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED July 29th 09]
: DRAGON August 21, 2009, 04:16:42 PM
 :thinks: :rofl3: No contest really !
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED July 29th 09]
: Jimmy August 22, 2009, 01:05:18 AM
Kev, I hope you read this - not enough good dragons in the world is the gist - I love the look of yours and have already commited to buying Andy's. Get it done!
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED July 29th 09]
: Steel Penguin August 22, 2009, 01:50:55 PM
to be honest when i see it propped up on flagstones like that my 1st thought was " whos nicked the wheels?"
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED July 29th 09]
: Big Boris August 22, 2009, 04:13:43 PM
What on Earth is that huge fing behind Azhag?  It doesn't help the effect that he's too big for the Wyvern.  And the puppet hanging from it is way too overwrought as a piece of symbolism.  :lol:

I don't get the relevance of the little wooden mannequin at all, has to be said. Just don't see a GW-fluff orc bothering with that. The huge fing is apparently a forearm and wing from a previous wyvern?

to be honest when i see it propped up on flagstones like that my 1st thought was " whos nicked the wheels?"

Yes, there is little point in those rocks being there as far as I can tell - it falls under my 'Theory of Cool Cliches' which is that every part of a mdoel must relate to every other part of a model - in this case, if there are rocks being used for the model to stand on then they should affect the way the model stands on them in order to tie them into the drama of the scene. This wyvern could easily stand flat on the base if you take the rocks away, therefore they are unnecessary. They aren't altering the aspect of the model. Just making it a little higher off the ground and thus less balanced. This particular area of the Theory is referred to as the Ryker Stance Problem. Star Trek fans will know what I'm referring to when I suggest that Mr Data occasionally had to shower to get the smell of Will Ryker's groin out of his hair. Ryker's preferred pose being the One-Foot-On-The-Monitor/Groin-In-The-Navigator's-Face Special. I have previously used this pose on Vampire Lord Von Blutgericht and the Dwarf Inventor, to a slightly lesser degree than Ryker used to practise it.

I can't wait until I'm at the point where I can start adding skullz to the dragon for the variants! muahahahaha
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED July 29th 09]
: DRAGON August 22, 2009, 05:15:24 PM
to be honest when i see it propped up on flagstones like that my 1st thought was " whos nicked the wheels?"
I thought it was wearing boots.................. :lol:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED July 29th 09]
: Vermis August 22, 2009, 07:53:21 PM
I don't get the relevance of the little wooden mannequin at all, has to be said. Just don't see a GW-fluff orc bothering with that.

See the Crown of Sorcery he wears?  It's basically doing a 'One Ring' job on him.  Especially since it was made by WHFB's answer to Sauron. ;)  More stuff here (http://warhammeronline.wikia.com/wiki/Crown_of_Sorcery).

...the Ryker Stance Problem.

 :lol:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED July 29th 09]
: Ajsalium August 23, 2009, 04:13:07 PM
I have just realized there's a new emoticon: :yawn:

Has it been included so we can express our sentiments about Azhag and his wyvern? :twisted:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED July 29th 09]
: Big Boris August 27, 2009, 05:43:48 PM
Those of you following me on Twitter will already have seen this, but:
(http://www.heresyminiatures.com/images/wip/dragon/dragonspines_27august_09.jpg)
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED July 29th 09]
: Big Boris August 27, 2009, 05:44:31 PM
I gave up on doing them over wire as it was even more fiddly and annoying than the other way.
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED July 29th 09]
: Nosferatu August 27, 2009, 10:50:00 PM
 :lmao: Now I understand why you were so keen to ditch the double row of spines!

...it'll be worth all the pain, he's looking very impressive.  :yup:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED July 29th 09]
: Toosh August 27, 2009, 11:09:52 PM
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/common/xLargeProductImage.jsp?mWidth=873px&mURL=/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m420179a_99110209208_Azhag1_873x627.jpg&mAlt=Azhag+the+Slaughterer&mHeight=627px
<snip>

Meh!  move along.....nothing to see here....move along......  :tsk: :tsk:

(not even worth the thread-space it's taking up...)

BUT....that chunk of loveliness (the dragon, not Andy :P ) is well worth air-time!!  He's looking sooooo fine, I wanna make him mine!!  :boing: :lalala:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED July 29th 09]
: Landreth August 28, 2009, 07:49:09 AM
This is the best dragon i ever seen! :shock:
Hope I'll find an opportunity to buy this awesome sculpture in my collection.
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED July 29th 09]
: morbidprogeny August 29, 2009, 02:05:31 AM

I can't wait until I'm at the point where I can start adding skullz to the dragon for the variants! muahahahaha
Variants?!?!  How does one pre-order said variant???
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED July 29th 09]
: Brandlin August 29, 2009, 02:30:00 AM

I can't wait until I'm at the point where I can start adding skullz to the dragon for the variants! muahahahaha
Variants?!?!  How does one pre-order said variant???

more to the point if you put skullz on that then i'm sending the boys with the pick axe handles round.
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED July 29th 09]
: morbidprogeny August 29, 2009, 04:35:03 AM
True, no skullz.  But variants are fun.  mostly.....
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED July 29th 09]
: Hive Trygon September 03, 2009, 02:00:22 AM
Perfect dragon. He looks like he is sitting in your lap.  :applause:

May I ask how you plan to cast him up? Only saying because those wires in the dorsal fin scales will help fill them if in resin. The gas in resin can case those tiny parts to be trouble some no matter what you try. Just a heads up that might save you time.
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED July 29th 09]
: Inso September 05, 2009, 09:36:54 PM
@ HT, I was under the impression that the dragon was going to be all metal...I could be wrong though.

I haven't said much so far in this thread but I'd like to say that I am extremely impressed by the way the proportions of the dragon give it the look of having enough strength to lift it's weight...something a lot of dragon sculpts fail to deliver.

I like the double spike layout of the spine...it really goes with the crocodilian look of the scales.

Keep up the good work Andy...it can't be much longer now (then you can relax a bit...this sculpt must be driving you mad!).
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED July 29th 09]
: Big Boris September 05, 2009, 11:51:29 PM

.
@ HT, I was under the impression that the dragon was going to be all metal...I could be wrong though.

I haven't said much so far in this thread but I'd like to say that I am extremely impressed by the way the proportions of the dragon give it the look of having enough strength to lift it's weight...something a lot of dragon sculpts fail to deliver.

I like the double spike layout of the spine...it really goes with the crocodilian look of the scales.

Keep up the good work Andy...it can't be much longer now (then you can relax a bit...this sculpt must be driving you mad!).

Gibber wibble glump?

Er, yes. It is, a bit.

It definitely isn't going to be all metal, no moulds big enough for one thing, weight and cost of it would be prohibitive. It's just too big!

The spikes on the neck have now been changed for a slightly different dual spike system, keeping a slightly crocodilian feel but also a little more dragon-y.  Need to figure out some stuiff to do with how the scales  and spines would move apart and/or spread out (or not) with the turning of the neck as the skin stretches and compresses. Will probably just ignore it and hope no-one else as pedantic as me complains.

(Those of you following me on Twitter will also already know I've added a broken looking tree trunk to the main rock base for the dragon to hold onto with one of it's forelimbs.)
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED July 29th 09]
: DRAGON September 06, 2009, 10:39:11 AM
Can we have a picture please ? :angel:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED July 29th 09]
: Vermis September 06, 2009, 05:04:31 PM
Need to figure out some stuiff to do with how the scales  and spines would move apart and/or spread out (or not) with the turning of the neck as the skin stretches and compresses.

http://www.animaldanger.com/images/crocodile.jpg
http://www.treklens.com/gallery/Africa/Zambia/photo44676.htm
http://www.solarnavigator.net/animal_kingdom/animal_images/Crocodile_nile_africa.jpg

I think you can pretty much do that, yeah.  :)  If you were still worried about it, maybe have the scales in front slightly overlap the scale behind, on the compressed areas; and have a slightly larger gap between scales, on the stretched areas.  Very slightly. ;)
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED July 29th 09]
: agentmolar September 16, 2009, 01:14:32 PM
Oh a quick question.

with the third deposit , what do i click for the postage? Do I click rest of the world for australia? or do i click the 1st and 2nd Deposits only ( even though its the third? )

No issues here, just dont want to muck up the system.

I wouldnt mind putting in my final payment and await the goodness.
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED July 29th 09]
: Big Boris September 16, 2009, 01:33:30 PM
I'll be invoicing pre-ordery people for the postage separately anyway,.as I have no idea what it will amount to in weight etc, but if you want to choose Signed For shipping to Australia, that would probably be best - I won't be sending this lot out without insured shipping of some sort to anyone...
ta
A
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED July 29th 09]
: agentmolar September 16, 2009, 02:33:27 PM
no worries, will do
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED July 29th 09]
: Toosh September 16, 2009, 07:27:37 PM
Reading this we completely forgot that we could/should be adding to our deposit. Sorry Andy - I know every little helps :oops:  We'll do another double deposit for our two beasties at the end of the month. Hopefully it will go towards keeping the wheels turning at Heresy-Towers :smile:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED July 29th 09]
: Jimmy September 16, 2009, 08:48:09 PM
I kinda forgot about this too - I will put the second payment down at the end of the month.  :oops:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED July 29th 09]
: agentmolar September 17, 2009, 12:13:10 PM
Final payment made....... *rubs hands in anticipation*
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED July 29th 09]
: Squigface September 17, 2009, 04:23:09 PM
Bit confused with all this talk of extra payments :blink: Thought you just put down your £30 deposit and paid the rest when the dragon was finished...?

Squig
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED July 29th 09]
: Big Boris September 17, 2009, 04:29:35 PM
Bit confused with all this talk of extra payments :blink: Thought you just put down your £30 deposit and paid the rest when the dragon was finished...?

Squig

Or you can pay in installments, some people wanted to pay the whole lot up front but in bits. So if you happen to have some spare money at th e moment, but might not later on, you can pay it to me now...
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED July 29th 09]
: RogerB September 17, 2009, 04:34:29 PM
I'm gearing up for my trip to California in October but I'll see what money I have left and if I can I'll make a second installment.
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED July 29th 09]
: Nosferatu October 15, 2009, 08:03:50 AM
It seems that some extra incentive is required to get the old Drags-on finished, so I've finally given in and ordered one.  :wink: muahahahaha
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED July 29th 09]
: dizbuster October 15, 2009, 04:26:01 PM
Heh i'm 3 payments down so that should just about have settled the account. :boing:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED July 29th 09]
: reekon October 19, 2009, 07:43:11 PM
um if theres going to be variants. is there going to be one with a big muscley arm coming out the back of his neck?
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED July 29th 09]
: Nosferatu October 29, 2009, 11:37:38 PM
2nd payment done. I might hang off on the 3rd until he's finished. A cash incentive to get him finished!   :wink:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED July 29th 09]
: RiTides Nids October 31, 2009, 02:04:03 PM
My address has changed sinced the deposit in January... will that cause any problems?

I was a little concerned since the only email I got back was the automatically generated one. Any chance your accountant might send out a mass email to those who have made deposits notifying them of progress and of when you're getting ready to ship? I know it's not yet, but I want to get my dragon when it's ready, and I still owe a lot of money on it!

Also, would it be possible / OK for you to let us know how many people have pre-ordered? Again, probably a job for your accountant. But he/you probably have an idea since you'll need to know how many to run in the first batch?

Thanks :)
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED July 29th 09]
: Big Boris October 31, 2009, 03:15:04 PM
My accountant only does my yearly accounts and tax returns. He wouldn't know which end of a dragon blew flames, I should expect. Nope, it's little old me in charge of keeping the records and stuff. Address change is not a problem as I'll be going off whatever address you give me when all is paid for. And I shall be emailing people to get payment for shipping before sending said dragons out as each will need some sort of insured shipping.

As to how many Dragons have been deposited upon (fnarr) the deliberately vague answer is quite a lot. A huge amount by my standards. Enough that it will take a while for the resin guys to catch up, no doubt about it. As for progress reports, follow me on Twitter and I'll occasionally mention the big scaly feller. Tricky time of year as I need to organise my accounts etc for the aforementioned accountant, plus I'm about to try to sell my house, which involves some redecoration. And we've got a new show coming up on November 14th/15th (Leadbelt at Nottingham) where I'll have the dragon so far on display.
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED July 29th 09]
: DRAGON October 31, 2009, 07:19:57 PM
 :angel: :pokey :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :pokey  :angel:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED July 29th 09]
: Enazel November 13, 2009, 07:45:25 PM
I can't wait for the Dam thing to be finished :). Either if it means I get 2 Landing on my desk to put together. its Just such a nice figure. :)
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED July 29th 09]
: Alxbates December 06, 2009, 04:31:58 PM
I paid the first installment, and I think that's probably all the scratch I'm going to be able to organize till the Dragon is finished, but I'm still enthusiastic about it!

I don't check in here at the FOD very often, but it's good to see that the Dragon is still a going concern!

-Alex in Alaska
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED July 29th 09]
: DRAGON January 03, 2010, 07:46:19 PM
Any updates ?  :angel:  :pokey
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED July 29th 09]
: weareblind January 04, 2010, 11:33:00 AM
Facebook speaks to us  :notworthy:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED July 29th 09]
: Inso January 04, 2010, 12:42:46 PM
I'm not on facebook so it doesn't speak to me ;).  Is there any news that you could pass on?
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED July 29th 09]
: weareblind January 04, 2010, 12:54:12 PM
I'm not on facebook so it doesn't speak to me ;).  Is there any news that you could pass on?
:wink:

From Andy, in order of time

TODAY: I've realised I've put these armoured plates on the dragon tail backwards. That 1-2-3-4 drumming sound is my head on the desk.

YESTERDAY This dragon is officially 1 year and three weeks old now, by the way. Happy Birthday, you time-eating, soul-sucking, scaley bastard.

BU ttoday is all about 'scaling' the last four inches of tail. Dull-diddly-ull.

: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED July 29th 09]
: Big Boris January 04, 2010, 05:46:39 PM
The dragon now has all its limbs. However, I am going to have another go at the toes as they seem to all be different lengths, but as in different to their opposite foot, so one foot is short and stubby compared to the other.
At the moment, it's at the difficult '90%' stage. Which is where you've done 90% of the work but the remaining 10% takes just as long to do as it mainly consists of going over it again and again and correcting the almost infinite amount of cock-ups, bodges, gaps, etc, as well as thickening sections here and there or replacing bits. I think i am going to have to get some of the drogn cast up in resin and sent back to me before I can finish the sculpt as the weight of the green is making the legs bend and misaling with the rock base. So I know it won't fit together if I was to send it all as is. Things will inevitably reposition themselves in the mould and I need to plan ahead to eliminate as much of that as possible.

It's very hard to photograph. Not only is it so big and 3d that the perspective buggers up on my camera, but it's in so many heavy bits that blu-tac doesn't hold it together in the right pose.

There is still much work to do. But I am at least working on it! I desperately need to finsh it as I need the money from all those remaining deposits to pay tax bill. I can't take them until I know when it will be finished for definite, before anyone asks!
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED July 29th 09]
: DRAGON January 04, 2010, 07:29:10 PM
Thanks for the update Andy - my next prod will be around Feb 5th !  :lol:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED July 29th 09]
: weareblind January 05, 2010, 04:35:51 PM
Thanks for the update Andy - my next prod will be around Feb 5th !  :lol:

:thumbup: :metoo:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED July 29th 09]
: agentmolar January 06, 2010, 10:14:48 AM
No worries Andy. Now that Ive paid all the deposits, Im happy to wait till its ready. No rush here at all.
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED July 29th 09]
: Malebolgia January 12, 2010, 03:55:49 PM
Hey Andy,

Received my e-mail about the Dragon?

Cheers,

Marijn :)
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED July 29th 09]
: Big Boris January 17, 2010, 12:11:35 PM
Hey Andy,

Received my e-mail about the Dragon?

Cheers,

Marijn :)

Yes. Sad, but no problem. Let me know what you want.


UPDATE:
New wip pics on the dragon WIP page!

http://www.heresyminiatures.com/dragonwip.htm

(Also, my assurances that it still looks a lot better in real life, as those of you who have seen it at shows will attest. )
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED July 29th 09]
: Ajsalium January 17, 2010, 12:23:35 PM
:froth:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Graeme January 17, 2010, 12:28:55 PM
 :boing: :boing: :notworthy:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Toosh January 17, 2010, 12:29:34 PM
Oh lordy!!!  :shock: Andy, I sincerely think you have out-done yourself with this. I know he's been a huge amount of work for you, but it shows; in every scale, claw and muscle. :notworthy:  He is without a doubt totally awesome  :applause: :applause: :applause:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Avicenna January 17, 2010, 12:30:18 PM
Where's that 'favourite ever dragon' thread.... coz i think its safe to say he is mine!
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: DARKHALO2K January 17, 2010, 01:08:41 PM
That really is a work of art, Andy! I can't see that there's much left to do on this. Any further idea as to when it will be released?
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Inso January 17, 2010, 01:31:40 PM
Excellent progress Andy...there really can't be that much left to sculpt, looking at it...

...It is a really excellent piece of work and even though you will be really glad to see the back of it, it is a truly marvelous piece of work that you should be very proud of.

Kudos to you Andy.

: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Big Boris January 17, 2010, 01:32:43 PM
There is sadly still lots of work to do - lots and lots of tiny little things to sort out as well as a whole load of bigger things like wing fingers, claws, gfot to sort out the mismatched feet, add extra to the tail, particularly the end, sort out new teeth (old ones snapped off due to handling) decide on ears etc etc

It needs to be finished in the next four weeks or I go bust.
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: caerban January 17, 2010, 03:06:55 PM
Steel yourself for the final thrust, Andy, it'll be worth it. That thing is made from solid fried golden awesome!!  :yup: :boing: :boing:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: DRAGON January 17, 2010, 04:22:02 PM
 :drool: Holy frickin cr*p !  :drool:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Beastlord January 17, 2010, 09:53:42 PM
 :shock: I'm slightly embarrassed at how excited I was to see you'd put up new pictures. It's fantastic Andy - has such a sense of power about it. Best thing for me though, is how believable it looks - it looks like it could be a real animal, not something I could say for any other dragon figures out there.  :notworthy:
Off to put in two more deposits  :thumbup:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: AxelFendersson January 17, 2010, 10:08:26 PM
I often find myself disappointed by models of dragons. Weedy serpentine creatures that just don't have the majesty that a dragon should have.

This is not one of those.
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Lorbaat January 17, 2010, 10:15:18 PM
I have never, in my entire painting "career", wanted a dragon model as badly as I want this one.

With any luck, they'll still be available when I have the scratch to buy one.
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Nosferatu January 18, 2010, 09:34:27 AM
He looks great, not at all sorry I've invested in him. Now get him finished so we can all get on with our lives!  :wink:





...after all there's still that female netherlord to sculpt!  :whistle:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: tumblebomb January 18, 2010, 01:03:09 PM
Wow this is one incredible model, It was worth the wait for updates and I'll be very pleased to see it on my shelf when its done.
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED July 29th 09]
: a_thousand_hats January 18, 2010, 01:59:17 PM

UPDATE:
New wip pics on the dragon WIP page!

http://www.heresyminiatures.com/dragonwip.htm


 :blink:  :notworthy:

Awesome, just awesome - I think I'm going to need to build a display case especially for it.

Wow.
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Squigface January 18, 2010, 08:06:16 PM
I think I just did a small wee :jawdrop:

I may have to buy two now..

Squig
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: LazarusKing January 23, 2010, 05:43:42 AM
Oh, wow.  I hadn't checked the progress on the big guy for a few months, I'm quite pleased to see he's grown by leaps and bounds.  Really looking forward to picking this guy up.  I think  my game budget will be teetering back to minis.  I could'nt be happier.
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: falela March 13, 2010, 02:22:37 PM
Hooyah!  Finally took the plunge and paid for the 1st & 2nd deposit! Dragon, here I come!!!!!!!!
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: goat89 March 13, 2010, 09:44:26 PM
Very beautiful!
PS: 1st time poster here! WOOT!
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Insane_Prophet March 14, 2010, 10:18:21 PM
To my mind this Dragon easy blows away every other Dragon model I've seen, and there are some excellent sculpts out there. The sheer attention to detail and effort you've put into it clearly shows. It's a masterpiece.
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Custom_Hobby March 15, 2010, 04:08:03 PM
The updated pics are amazing! Terrific work Andy :applause:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: superkrispydj April 02, 2010, 04:32:04 PM
 :notworthy:
Seriously impressive stuff!!!  I love dragons and this is a mega dragony dragon in the extreme.... wicked!!!
 :notworthy: :boing: :notworthy: :boing:  cant wait to see it finished....
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Graeme April 04, 2010, 12:41:59 PM
I saw it in the flesh last sunday and its brilliant.  :thumbup: :thumbup:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: weareblind April 04, 2010, 05:25:34 PM
I saw it in the flesh last sunday and its brilliant.  :thumbup: :thumbup:
So it's near!
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Graeme April 05, 2010, 12:50:26 PM
Still not finished
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: DRAGON April 05, 2010, 07:46:57 PM
 :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :pokey
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: beefcake April 05, 2010, 09:56:26 PM
I just noticed (after how long) that the title says "the 1st ever Heresy Dragon"
Does that mean there will be more?  :whip:
 :lmao:
 :lmao:
 :lol:
 :lol:
 :D
 :eh:
What... I'm being excommunicated from the FOD for that question.
Damn it for making stupid jokes
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Big Boris April 07, 2010, 11:35:26 PM
Spent today chopping and drilling, trying to make new joints so that parts would fit together snugly. Was playing with metal-reinforced putty. Nasty, chemical stuff that sets in a couple of minutes. Surprisingly useful for doing large pegs etc to fit pieces together with. Will use it on the armature for the Giant when I start him, and will use it for the alternative necks I plan for the dragon, as it saves using wire and trying to get the initial layer of putty to stick. I can just mix up a huge wadge of putty and shape it into the approximate neck shape, hold it in position for a couple of minutes and then get cracking on texture, etc. Could be an immense time saver in that respect. Follow me on twitter(or facebook but twitter is better, use Tweetdeck to get all your facebook and twitter updates in one air traffic controller type set of columns) for more info on that as I go along.
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Big Boris April 07, 2010, 11:36:16 PM
And yes, there will be more dragons after this one. I have ideas for at least three more, if not seven. It's a matter of time though, obviously!
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Big Boris April 07, 2010, 11:44:58 PM
I can guarantee they won't be covered in individual scales, though!
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Nosferatu April 07, 2010, 11:52:38 PM
And yes, there will be more dragons after this one. I have ideas for at least three more, if not seven. It's a matter of time though, obviously!

I think I can speak for most of us (or at least everyone that has ordered a dragon already  :whistle: ) that we'll be very interested in seeing what new dragons you can come up with, if there anything like the first is turning out then many of us will invest again, but at the moment I just want to see one finished!  :angel:

...and yep, sounds like leathery skin is the way to go for future dragons, but I reckon' the time and effort on the scales will be more than worth it for this guy. He will be a classic.
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Tasker April 07, 2010, 11:57:58 PM
It's a matter of time though, obviously!

Aye, at this rate it does look like you might snuff it of old age well before you get to release it.  :yup:


 :whistle:   :drevil2:   :angel:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: weareblind April 08, 2010, 08:46:52 AM
...and yep, sounds like leathery skin is the way to go for future dragons, but I reckon' the time and effort on the scales will be more than worth it for this guy. He will be a classic.
:metoo:
Dragon-tastic.
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: DRAGON April 08, 2010, 08:47:30 AM
And yes, there will be more dragons after this one. I have ideas for at least three more, if not seven. It's a matter of time though, obviously!
Put me down for one of each  :angel: - Only not this month - I 've got to buy a new pair of glasses - HOW MUCH !?  :crazy:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Captain_Jack April 09, 2010, 12:39:01 AM
I found this that may be interesting:

(http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs42/i/2009/132/2/4/draon8_by_Cleytonoliveira.jpg) (http://cleytonoliveira.deviantart.com/art/dragon-8-122320936)

the pics a link to this guys gallery where he has a few more WIP shots
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Big Boris April 09, 2010, 09:11:31 AM
I was so relieved when I saw how big that was. Too good!
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: caerban April 09, 2010, 09:44:46 AM
I was so relieved when I saw how big that was. Too good!

Looks nearly as big as yours  :wink:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Big Boris April 26, 2010, 09:10:10 AM
Exciting news from Salute - the dragon is almost entirely castable. I need to remove all the spines though or it will eat moulds at an unimaginable speed. So It looks like if I can get two solid weeks of work in, it'll be ready to go.
If!
Only slight problem is I need to sort out my house to get it ready to sell ASAP now Salute is out of the way! I've got £40,000 of debt to make a dent in!
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Enazel April 26, 2010, 09:21:14 AM
Ouch Andy over the debt, but great news about the Dragon.
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: beefcake April 26, 2010, 10:09:57 AM
That's a huge amount of debt. No doubt though the dragon should sort a bit of that out. Great news about it almost being castable
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Gilreth April 26, 2010, 03:44:37 PM
Really glad to hear dragon is getting there ..... ouch on debt though.
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Avicenna April 26, 2010, 05:10:43 PM
I was one of the dragon-droolers... Still my favourite dragon Andy...!

Can't bloody wait :D
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: DRAGON April 26, 2010, 07:42:54 PM
 :boing: :froth: :froth: :froth: :froth:  :boing:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: gi6ers April 26, 2010, 08:49:36 PM
(http://www.germy.co.uk/pictures/Heresydragon.JPG)

pic from Saturday nabbed from Frothers.
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: agentmolar April 26, 2010, 09:41:24 PM
Looks bloody awesome in the flesh.... brilliant. I have it on good authority that the first ones going to me!! Bw aha ha ha ha ha ha
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Mr Teufel April 27, 2010, 06:57:25 AM
Exciting news from Salute - the dragon is almost entirely castable. I need to remove all the spines though or it will eat moulds at an unimaginable speed. So It looks like if I can get two solid weeks of work in, it'll be ready to go.
does that mean you'll cast the spines separately or you'll be selling a spineless dragon? :whistle:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Lurching Dead April 27, 2010, 08:16:52 AM
 :jawdrop:

That is bloody amazing!

Can't wait for that!

 :notworthy:  :notworthy:  :notworthy:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: weareblind April 27, 2010, 08:45:03 AM
THE TIME IS COMING  :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: alchemist April 27, 2010, 09:50:45 AM
Just out of curiosity, can someone ID the knight figure standing looking up at it in the photo above?
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Beastlord April 27, 2010, 10:59:46 AM
Thats a special Paladin Andy has done to go with it, not released yet... I think. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Big Boris April 27, 2010, 11:12:08 AM
:metoo: It am what him said.

It's a new sculpt of Sir Roger the Lucky, he of my first ever monster-sculpt fame, in which he appears being ripped in half by HM001 Manbane the Minotaur
(http://www.heresyminiatures.com/images/hm001_2.jpg)

But with a better outfit that looks less like some sort of camp medieval boyband.

Good photo that, but I notice he's lost a horn somewhere. Best check to see that it's still in the box now  :?
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Big Boris April 27, 2010, 11:13:13 AM
I should point out for my own ego's benefit that that dragon is not being held together by any glue or anything, apart from a small magnet in the tail. The parts just fit together really well!
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: gi6ers April 27, 2010, 11:14:32 AM
I'd snap the odd horn anyway.  I will have to own one of these eventually Andy seeing it again closed the deal, count on an order from me when I can sneak it past the missus. 
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: beefcake April 27, 2010, 11:43:57 AM
If it's the same Roger, did he get stitched back together or did he run away from the dragon and smack into the minotaur? Judging by the minotaurs height, rogers height, and that sharp helmet. I'd be pretty annoyed if he hit into me. Loin cloths don't provide the same protection as a box.
Sorry I just need the back story.
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Big Boris April 27, 2010, 11:46:54 AM
Sir Roger is like Kenny from South Park. I originally intended to have him being killed by every monster I made. He'll probably be being eaten by the giant I'm planning after the Dragon, too.
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Gothy Beans April 27, 2010, 06:42:26 PM
Sir Roger is like Kenny from South Park. I originally intended to have him being killed by every monster I made. He'll probably be being eaten by the giant I'm planning after the Dragon, too.
But would he provide the minty freshness that a Polo would? :lalala:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Dark Avenger May 03, 2010, 08:19:28 AM
That dragon is looking bloody awesome, I will defintely buy one, it would make a fantastic Smaug for Lotr.
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: PhilH May 03, 2010, 08:35:37 AM
I'd snap the odd horn anyway.  I will have to own one of these eventually Andy seeing it again closed the deal, count on an order from me when I can sneak it past the missus. 

My problem as well. I don't think I can use the well worn excuse of "I've always had this shiny new miniature, he was up in the attic". i'm going  to have to think of a cunning plan.
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: RogerB May 03, 2010, 09:13:29 AM
Sir Roger is like Kenny from South Park. I originally intended to have him being killed by every monster I made. He'll probably be being eaten by the giant I'm planning after the Dragon, too.

Us Rogers never give up.  You cannot defeat us!
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: falela May 03, 2010, 11:21:14 AM
I'd snap the odd horn anyway.  I will have to own one of these eventually Andy seeing it again closed the deal, count on an order from me when I can sneak it past the missus. 

My problem as well. I don't think I can use the well worn excuse of "I've always had this shiny new miniature, he was up in the attic". i'm going  to have to think of a cunning plan.

Send it to me.  I won't let your missus know, you have my word!  :whistle:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: LazarusKing May 04, 2010, 03:33:56 AM
Oh man.  That is some good stuff.  I'm definitely going to get this guy.  I told myself some time ago that I'd only get 1 BIG dragon for my collection.  Heresy is it.
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Lurching Dead May 25, 2010, 09:58:06 PM
Andy, can we pay for the whole thing yet?
I've got the cash ready and waiting and if I don't spend it on the Dragon soon, something else will eat it up, like car insurance  :whistle:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: caerban June 22, 2010, 10:28:23 PM
*raises eyebrow in questioning manner*
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Big Boris June 22, 2010, 10:53:50 PM
You can pay for the whole thing if you really want to, the extra deposit amounts are on the site already. (Shipping wil be charged extra when it's done and dusted)

As to current prgoress, I have removed the spines for casting purposes. This was not easy. Nor was it neat. So that's a bit of a setback but one that had to be made.
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Big Boris June 22, 2010, 10:54:12 PM
PS Serious, actual work on the Dragon will resume probably next week.
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: caerban June 23, 2010, 07:53:51 AM
PS Serious, actual work on the Dragon will resume probably next week.

Wooohoooo! *does the happy dance*
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: weareblind June 23, 2010, 01:14:47 PM
 :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Lurching Dead July 02, 2010, 10:00:34 PM
Can't wait for this.




Not that it'll get painted for ages......  :crazy:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: DRAGON July 03, 2010, 03:53:40 PM
Any more progress ? Not that I am impatient or anything............!  :angel: :whistle:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Big Boris July 03, 2010, 07:10:34 PM
Sort of. I'm currently re-evaluating the toes as they aren't sculpted very well at all.

When I say re-evaluating, I mean I ripped them off on friday and am resculpting them entirely.

I've also butchered it, hacking out the double-row of spines that runs the length of the neck and body, as they would cause massive problems for the moulding process. I didn't enjoy doing that. Now I have to resculpt the spines quite a bit to repair them and make them a separate part entirely.
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: weareblind July 03, 2010, 09:30:23 PM
C'mon, the audience is with you!
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Graeme July 05, 2010, 11:18:05 AM
Go Andy, Go Andy, Go Andy  :applause: :applause: :applause:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: DARKHALO2K July 26, 2010, 07:32:24 PM
Just wondering if there is any updates on this? Words or pictures, it's all good. I've started a new management job, and love me a good (or in this case, excellent) dragon. More and more tempted to lay down a deposit, but think i'll wait for a firmer release date first.
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Big Boris July 26, 2010, 07:46:28 PM
Still doing toes.

As to deposits: lay £30 down now and you get the £100 price. The moment I get a release date, is the moment I also get to work out how much the proper price is, and from that point on everyone else can kiss goodbye to £100, most likely. Those who have reserved already will be the only ones to get the £100 price.
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Mortanius August 11, 2010, 03:45:41 AM
That is going to be one great looking dragon when it it finished. I guess I am going to have to put that down now on my shopping cart with everything else I want to get.   :whistle:

I guess I should ask this, would it be a problem prepaying for this model with my order that I am doing right now or would it be better to do it separately due to shipping?
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: superkrispydj September 20, 2010, 07:21:47 PM
OK...I have succumbed!!   :lalala: :lalala:

I have just put down the first deposit on a Dragon! 

I have tried for a long time not to (not that hard when you have zero income!!) and not even look... But now I am back in the world of wonderful employment, it is only fair I shuffle the economy around a bit and purchasing the dragon is a good reason!

I CANT WAIT - I understand I will have to, no worries!

OMG I CANT WAIT *ahem*   

 :shock: oooooooh its fab and I cannot wait. 

OK, so it looks like that is all my brain is allowing me to think so until I can think of constructive and interesting things... OMG THIS IS SO EXCITING... now, how to justify this to hubby.... :angel:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Bergil September 21, 2010, 01:42:25 PM


OK, so it looks like that is all my brain is allowing me to think so until I can think of constructive and interesting things... OMG THIS IS SO EXCITING... now, how to justify this to hubby.... :angel:

It's not hard....  :silly
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: superkrispydj September 21, 2010, 03:37:24 PM
I didn't even need to justify the purchase.  Everyone should have a husband as ambivalent as mine!! 

Well, he has just bought a new Tau army and is planning a dark eldar huge battle force, so what one dragon eh??!!   :lol:

so it turns out we have not given up the hobby after all........
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: weareblind September 21, 2010, 03:57:40 PM
I didn't even need to justify the purchase.  Everyone should have a husband as ambivalent as mine!! 

Well, he has just bought a new Tau army and is planning a dark eldar huge battle force, so what one dragon eh??!!   :lol:

so it turns out we have not given up the hobby after all........
:yup: :yup: :yup:
Why I haven't a similar wife?
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: beefcake September 21, 2010, 08:56:52 PM
 :metoo: :lmao:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Wings September 21, 2010, 11:12:02 PM
Some of my friends bought me the dragon for my birthday a few months back. Best present ever! My poor boyfriend has to put up with me talking about it at least once a week, and I doubt the enthusiasm's going to die down for another few years. I love it so much.
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Steel Penguin October 03, 2010, 10:33:39 AM
Saw the dragon at Derby yesterday, how to describe?? 
the best idea i have is
right pretend you a typical 5 year old.  got the mindset? right, now spread your arms wide and wiggle your middle fingers. and go in a slightly disbeliving/mad/giggling voice  " it was this big!!" wile rolling your eyes

its massive! and its massivly impresive, and wile i want one, my wife wants one as well, in purple!
keep at it Andy its a cracker
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: DRAGON October 03, 2010, 11:29:27 AM
Stop teasing me !  :tantrum:
Any chance of some updated pics Andy ?  :notworthy:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Tasker October 03, 2010, 12:23:03 PM
What i'm trying to work out, is how in the hell is Andy going to produce it for the £100 quid that he's currently asking for.   :blink:

I'ts going to take a shed load of Resin.   :blink:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Penfold October 03, 2010, 05:53:13 PM
Got to see it for myself today really great job  :applause:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Wanderer October 05, 2010, 03:39:30 AM
What i'm trying to work out, is how in the hell is Andy going to produce it for the £100 quid that he's currently asking for.   :blink:

I'ts going to take a shed load of Resin.   :blink:

I have to admit thats one reason I haven't pre-ordered. After all the hard work I'd rather give Andy a fair price for it...
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Tasker October 05, 2010, 08:59:46 AM
What i'm trying to work out, is how in the hell is Andy going to produce it for the £100 quid that he's currently asking for.   :blink:

I'ts going to take a shed load of Resin.   :blink:

I have to admit thats one reason I haven't pre-ordered. After all the hard work I'd rather give Andy a fair price for it...

Same as me then, i'd rather pay Andy what it's worth, rather than feel like i'm taking advantage and ripping him off.

There are those you don't mind ripping off, and there are those that you do, Andy and the other FoD companies fall into the Latter
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: PhilH October 05, 2010, 09:18:36 AM
What i'm trying to work out, is how in the hell is Andy going to produce it for the £100 quid that he's currently asking for.   :blink:

I'ts going to take a shed load of Resin.   :blink:

I have to admit thats one reason I haven't pre-ordered. After all the hard work I'd rather give Andy a fair price for it...

 :metoo:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Tiacapan October 05, 2010, 09:57:52 AM
I'm not sure I'd agree that people who chose to pay in advance are somehow ripping Andy off.
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Big Boris October 05, 2010, 10:00:04 AM
I don't think he meant to imply that, it's just that he, rather humblingly, feels like he personally would feel guilty aboutnot paying the eventual full proper price rather than the current arbitrary one.

FYI The eventual price is probably going to be at least £150-£200
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Tiacapan October 05, 2010, 10:38:40 AM
As would I as it happens.
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Ben Brownlie October 05, 2010, 10:40:10 AM
@Tasker - I know what you mean, but at the same time I don't think Andy would have put 100 quid as a pre order price tag if he thought it was ripping himself off.

It's an incentive to pre order which in turn gives Andy cash in advance which is more useful that promises of a buy later that might not happen.

Works both ways.
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Tiacapan October 05, 2010, 10:43:19 AM
 :metoo:

My point exactly, but rather more eloquent.
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: caerban October 05, 2010, 12:43:32 PM
Besides when it's ready I'm going to buy a cr*pload of stuff so he can afford to make it and post it to me :)
I'm saving up for that  :boing:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: weareblind October 05, 2010, 01:00:57 PM
Stop teasing me !  :tantrum:
Any chance of some updated pics Andy ?  :notworthy:
:metoo:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Tasker October 05, 2010, 01:28:07 PM
@Tasker - I know what you mean, but at the same time I don't think Andy would have put 100 quid as a pre order price tag if he thought it was ripping himself off.

It's an incentive to pre order which in turn gives Andy cash in advance which is more useful that promises of a buy later that might not happen.

Works both ways.


At the time Andy might not have thought that it would be too bad as I don't imagine that he envisioned the thing turning out to be so big ( though I could be and probably am totally wrong on that ), but looking at the size of the blooming thing now and how much other resin kits go for, there must be one hell of a mark up on other resin kits for this one to go for £100 and make a profit.

Mind you though, having said that, I now wonder if the Dragon would need the same quality resin as smaller figures?   :scratchhead:

At the end of the day though... ( It goes dark?  :silly ) ... If Andy feels that by my pre ordering now, he's not going to lose out, then i'll take the option, sure i'd like to buy it cheaper, but i'd rather pay what the product is worth and Andy make something from it, than pre order for less and him losing out in the long run.
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Big Boris October 05, 2010, 01:47:41 PM
At the time Andy might not have thought that it would be too bad as I don't imagine that he envisioned the thing turning out to be so big ( though I could be and probably am totally wrong on that ), but looking at the size of the blooming thing now and how much other resin kits go for, there must be one hell of a mark up on other resin kits for this one to go for £100 and make a profit.

That. I was given a ballpark guesstimate on the potential costs and gave out the £100 based on that. I honestly didn't expect to get many orders, or at least not in the time frame that I thought the dragon would be finished in, ie about a month after that Salute  (2009). My main worry at the moment is that I don't have a clear cost for the finished thing and I may have way underpriced it with £100. And there are about 100 people who have placed a deposit over the last couple of years. I'm probably going to end up relying on people paying the full proper price to pay for the dragons already reserved as well as their own!

I am the master of all things financially stupid.
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Bergil October 05, 2010, 01:55:55 PM
That's why you get an accounts lady to come in for a few hours on a friday.
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Tasker October 05, 2010, 02:01:37 PM
That's why you get an accounts lady to come in for a few hours on a friday.

Surely not the only reason...  muahahahaha :drevil2:


I'll wait, and pay full price for my Dragon then.

But in the mean time, I need to sort out an order for some of Andy's  other stuff, which is a bugger as I don't get paid until the end of next week.  :blub:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Ben Brownlie October 05, 2010, 02:15:26 PM
I am the master of all things financially stupid.

Ah... in which case.. oops!

I'll not pre order one and leave you in a bigger hole
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: DRAGON October 05, 2010, 05:00:21 PM
I'm still waiting for the updated pics ................ :whistle:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Nosferatu October 05, 2010, 10:05:44 PM
I am the master of all things financially stupid.

Well possibly, but then you did need the cash at the time and so people who have pre-ordered were helping you out in the short term. Seems like there have been 2 'mistakes' that have cost you on this one: under-estimating the final cost of production and taking so long to finish (not blaming you, I know that a lot of other factors have conspired against you).

Perhaps the best option would be to set an end date now for the current pre-order price and of course, finish the dragon!

Then, when you are ready to ship and take final payments you could give the buyers the option of paying the last installment to £100 or to the final price. Sure, you may not get many takers, but at least people would feel comfortable pre-ordering now and not feel like they are ripping you off. People who have already pre-ordered (like me) would then be able to pay a little extra if their budget for toys allows.
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: agentmolar October 06, 2010, 02:27:14 PM
Well don't I feel like a right bastard for paying up front now.  :wink: :roll:


Especially when the exchange rate is much better for the aussie dollar now.   :shrug:



: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Mortanius October 07, 2010, 04:13:42 AM
I am glad that I did the pre-order.  When I did it I put the first two instalments of the payment through and it just happen to be a few weeks after the time that Andy said that he only had £7.76 to his name.  so if me sending him £60 helps him get by why should I complain.  Especially since it just means he can stay open and keep making kick ass models.


But it would still be nice to see some new pictures of the dragon :whistle:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: DRAGON October 07, 2010, 09:46:54 AM


But it would still be nice to see some new pictures of the dragon :whistle:
:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:  :whistle:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Steel Penguin October 07, 2010, 07:09:26 PM
and thouse who have pre ordered do have the option of sending Andy extra moneys if they belive that they got too good a deal. 
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Tiacapan October 07, 2010, 11:15:50 PM
And some of us probably will.  However, I for one will now think twice before taking advantage of any pre-orders or special offers from any FOD companies as somehow when you do it is viewed as ripping them off.
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Lurching Dead October 07, 2010, 11:41:08 PM
And some of us probably will.  However, I for one will now think twice before taking advantage of any pre-orders or special offers from any FOD companies as somehow when you do it is viewed as ripping them off.

Please don't feel liek that Tiacapan. That is not what is being implied at all and no one here is judging you.

Andy offered the preorder at the price he offered and from what I've read here holds no one who has preordered (myself included) responsible. This forum is a as much a big family as anything else and it does not surprise me that some people would feel like they are ripping Andy off if they get the dragon for £100, when it is going to have to retail at £150- £200. This is because they know him well form the forum and want him to survive and keep making miniatures. No one is sayign that you have set out to rip Andy off.

The option of sending Andy more money is jsut an idea floating around isn't it? I haven't seen a post where Andy is saying that that is what he is going to do.

No one is attacking you personally here and it is an unusual situatio we are talkin gabout. Andy had no idea that the dragon would take so long. Usually preorder deals go ahead as presented and run smoothly. To be fair the dragon preorder deal is still going ahead as presented, it's just that we now know that it looks like we are going to inadvertently be getting 'too good' a deal than was initially intended.

Hope this sets your mind at ease.

LD.
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Avicenna October 08, 2010, 12:02:07 AM
"rip off"? Load of nonsense - Andy priced it the way he felt appropriate at the time, and we all helped him out by pre-ordering.

simples

Andy - maybe you should/could close the pre-ordering of the dragon if you are heading towards making a loss on it?

Now lets get back to the excitement of waiting for the completion of the Dragon :D
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Ben Brownlie October 08, 2010, 12:22:21 AM
 :metoo: What Petey said

Isn't he sensible?

 :yup:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Big Boris October 08, 2010, 09:06:04 AM
And some of us probably will.  However, I for one will now think twice before taking advantage of any pre-orders or special offers from any FOD companies as somehow when you do it is viewed as ripping them off.

Don't be daft!

I seriously doubt I'm going to actually technically lose money on the £100 price - it's just that in order to keep going I've had to spend the deposits you've all already made and that makes it tricky to buy in the final figure without finding more money. In theory I'm not making a loss because those dragons have technically been paid for. I'm really hoping that it won't cost me much more than the amount guesstimated originally, and that since the vast majority of reservers have only paid one deposit, some two, I am reasonably confident that I will be able to pay for all the needed dragons without too much fuss once the remainder of the  money is in, which I will ask for once I have the first test pieces in my slashed and putty-stained fingers. So as long as everyone pays the remainder fairly promptly, everything should be OK, crossed fingers.

Nobody is to feel they have ripped me off or to accuse anyone else of ripping me off. If I offer you the Dragon for £100 and you pay £100 and I end up losing £10 or whatever amount then that is down to me. If I offer you it for £150 and you found a sneaky means of only paying £50 for it, or getting a dodgy cast off ebay or down the market, or you gave me counterfeit money at a show, that would be ripping me off. I hope that makes it clear that nobody is to feel bad about giving me money!!
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: DRAGON October 08, 2010, 09:10:18 AM
I will give you an extra £10 if I can have some updated pics.....................  :whistle:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Ben Brownlie October 08, 2010, 12:07:14 PM
I will give you an extra £10 if I can have some updated pics.....................  :whistle:

 :lmao:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: caerban October 08, 2010, 12:41:16 PM
I will give you an extra £10 if I can have some updated pics.....................  :whistle:

Me too! And another £10 if you can convince Kev to finish his  :yup:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Mortanius October 08, 2010, 07:38:38 PM
So as long as everyone pays the remainder fairly promptly, everything should be OK, crossed fingers.

I am sure updated pics would be a good way to convince people to pay promptly :lmao:

Also seeing the dragon eating the good sir knight who is trying to slay him would be funny too.
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Tasker October 08, 2010, 10:25:47 PM
Oh God!  I feel bad for starting all this now.   :crazy:

I never meant to imply that anyone was ripping anyone else off or that people should feel guilty about getting a bargin, I only meant to put across the fact that "I personally", wether rightly or wrongly, feel uncomfortable with paying an amount that I see as too small a sum, for all the work, all the effort, and all the material costs, that the finished item could or will take.

I guess it comes down to the fact that it's a small friendly company, that needs every penny it can get, rather than a mega giant corporation, that can afford to loose money on a product and not miss it.

Had it been a larger company, then I wouldn't be bothered by it, but as it isn't, then I am.  It's just a personal thing and I don't expect or demand that anyone else feel the same way.
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: agentmolar October 08, 2010, 11:56:47 PM
:metoo: What Petey said

Isn't he sensible?

 :yup:

Ditto
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Wanderer October 11, 2010, 12:04:10 AM
Oh God!  I feel bad for starting all this now.   :crazy:

I never meant to imply that anyone was ripping anyone else off or that people should feel guilty about getting a bargin, I only meant to put across the fact that "I personally", wether rightly or wrongly, feel uncomfortable with paying an amount that I see as too small a sum, for all the work, all the effort, and all the material costs, that the finished item could or will take.

I guess it comes down to the fact that it's a small friendly company, that needs every penny it can get, rather than a mega giant corporation, that can afford to loose money on a product and not miss it.

Had it been a larger company, then I wouldn't be bothered by it, but as it isn't, then I am.  It's just a personal thing and I don't expect or demand that anyone else feel the same way.

Ditto, when I said I wanted to pay Andy a fair price I just meant that I could see the time and costs involved mounting and I would like to pay him more than the prebooking price by way of reward for his sterling efforts. No aspersions cast and I didn't want to impugn anyones' honour or make anyone feel bad!

I hope that makes it clear that nobody is to feel bad about giving me money!!

 :metoo:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Big Boris October 11, 2010, 01:57:33 PM
There will be new pics by the end of this month. And you owe me £10 for the other thing.
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: DRAGON October 11, 2010, 07:32:24 PM
There will be new pics by the end of this month.
:shock: End of the month ? I dont think I can last that long................ :faint:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: yxalitis October 12, 2010, 12:13:01 AM
In the spirit of dragon-related camaraderie, I will pay the remaining £70 to you today...

Thanks, he looks awesome!!
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Mortanius October 12, 2010, 03:02:26 PM
There will be new pics by the end of this month.
:shock: End of the month ? I dont think I can last that long................ :faint:

But just think. The new pics could be of the dragon finished...
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Lorbaat October 12, 2010, 03:50:02 PM
There will be new pics by the end of this month.
:shock: End of the month ? I dont think I can last that long................ :faint:

But just think. The new pics could be of the dragon finished...

He said "end of the month" not "2016".
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: freakinacage October 12, 2010, 04:21:28 PM
There will be new pics by the end of this month. And you owe me £10 for the other thing.
i thought that sort of thing only happened on frothers?
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Ben Brownlie October 12, 2010, 05:02:03 PM
There will be new pics by the end of this month. And you owe me £10 for the other thing.
i thought that sort of thing only happened on frothers?

Andy's branching out to pay for all the Dragons' resin ;)
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: DRAGON October 12, 2010, 06:49:02 PM
 :christalmighty: :lmao:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: hawkins October 13, 2010, 10:38:37 PM
is it done yet?
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Mortanius October 15, 2010, 03:25:57 AM
no its not, but i just saw a pic about the spines on the back.
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: RiTides Nids October 21, 2010, 07:07:31 PM
Unfortunately, I gave up on waiting for the dragon long ago. In the amount of time since I had paid the first deposit, I had changed armies, and it was no longer useful to me.

I didn't send any angry emails, though! (As I see that is referenced on the deposits page now). I just asked Andy for credit towards the excellent trenchcoat gangers. He even sent a second set when the first got lost in the mail (I'm NEVER geting the cheapest shipping option from the UK ever again!).

So it turned out to be an good experience, and I'd deal with Heresy again gladly. The only thing I wouldn't do again is pre-order a WIP... my life's not stable enough to know what I want model-wise 2 years from now!
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: fredox October 22, 2010, 05:08:02 PM
Signed up to add my weight behind the pics now please brigade. Deposit went down a while ago and balance is waiting in my savings account until it's asked for.
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Big Boris October 26, 2010, 02:53:59 PM
Almost....done. Almost.

Check my twitter feed for more.
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Ben Brownlie October 26, 2010, 02:55:07 PM
Check my twitter feed for more.

 :roll:

Or you can post here properly  :yup:

:D
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Big Boris October 26, 2010, 03:13:24 PM
Yeah, but Twitter is quicker.
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Big Boris October 26, 2010, 03:17:50 PM
Also, not sure I want to clog up this thread with my depressed ranting. ;)
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Ben Brownlie October 26, 2010, 03:28:36 PM
:lol:

Fair doos

: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Bergil October 26, 2010, 03:38:28 PM
Never wise to be publicly depressed. People are not the most supportive of beings.
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: DRAGON October 26, 2010, 04:57:15 PM
So there is a good chance it will be finished in time for my birthday on the 25th of november then..........? :lol:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Mortanius October 27, 2010, 11:55:50 PM
just out of curiosity, after you finish the dragon how long would it take to make the mould and make the pre orders and get ready to send them out?  Would just like to know so I can plan ahead for when I would need to make the last payment for it.
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: weareblind October 28, 2010, 12:54:18 PM
The day after the Dragon's birth will be strange for Andy...
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Big Boris October 28, 2010, 01:17:40 PM
If anyone wants to send me the rest of their dragon money, now would be a good time. Can't actually pay my mortgage on Monday... :(
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Avicenna October 28, 2010, 01:44:55 PM
The day after the Dragon's birth will be strange for Andy...

Yes, free of a millstone - free to sculpt whatever he pleases once more, without that nagging pang
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: fredox October 28, 2010, 01:46:25 PM
One payment in the mail (so to speak). How I'm going to convince people I've had it for years when it arrives is another issue :scratchhead:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: weareblind October 28, 2010, 03:35:05 PM
The day after the Dragon's birth will be strange for Andy...

Yes, free of a millstone - free to sculpt whatever he pleases once more, without that nagging pang
Or free from a milestone?  :wry:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Big Boris October 28, 2010, 03:44:19 PM
The day after the Dragon's birth will be strange for Andy...

Yes, free of a millstone - free to sculpt whatever he pleases once more, without that nagging pang
Or free from a milestone?  :wry:

It will be a milestone, it has been a millstone. ;)
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Big Boris October 28, 2010, 03:46:00 PM
How I'm going to convince people I've had it for years when it arrives is another issue :scratchhead:

Hide it under your bed or in a wardrobe or attic, then 'find' it whilst looking for something else (with witnesses) and proclaiming in a loud voice 'OH, HEY! THERE'S THAT DRAGON! I TOTALLY FORGOT I BOUGHT THIS ALL THOSE YEARS AGO!'
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: fredox October 28, 2010, 04:57:04 PM
Once it's in the house it's not a real issue. Getting it through the door might be. There's been a "few" comments recently about the number of packages arriving and the fact that walls don't expand.

Anyway back to the dragon. Did you decide on the tail design?
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: weareblind October 28, 2010, 05:18:21 PM
It will be a milestone, it has been a millstone. ;)
You're truly a sage one Andy!
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: RiTides Nids October 28, 2010, 06:14:28 PM
Just checked out the twitter feed, found this from yesterday (the 27th):

: Big Boris
IN danger of finishing the HeresyDragon in the next two days. Unless I just jinxed it.

The end is nigh... would love to see pics of the finished creature this weekend.

As to not having days off- I'm in the same boat, unfortunately, but if you send this beast off to be molded, you can probably take a week off with all of the final payments that will come surging in...
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Big Boris October 28, 2010, 06:29:21 PM
The end is nigh... would love to see pics of the finished creature this weekend.

That's the plan, all things going according to...er...plan...
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: RogerB October 28, 2010, 07:36:51 PM
Good job I have a little money now then, so I can pay the rest.
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: DRAGON October 28, 2010, 09:11:28 PM
Credit card on standby !  :boing: :boing: :boing: :boing: :boing:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Dolmot October 28, 2010, 09:59:35 PM
If anyone wants to send me the rest of their dragon money, now would be a good time.

Can do...how much and where?
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Nosferatu October 28, 2010, 11:35:40 PM
Dolmot: http://www.heresyminiatures.com/dragonwip.htm (http://www.heresyminiatures.com/dragonwip.htm)

Andy: What about the shipping? I can pay you the third payment now but when you go to select dragon shipping (to pay the shipping later) it says it's for payments 1 and 2 only? Should I ignore that, or have you set the shipping fee, in which case I should select normal shipping charges according to my location?   :eh:

: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Mortanius October 29, 2010, 01:19:07 AM
 :metoo:

thats why I was sort of waiting for doing the last payment, is because I am going to do that and the shipping at the same time.
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: weareblind October 29, 2010, 07:55:15 AM
Me too. With some others miniatures, just to save some money in the delivering.
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: RogerB October 29, 2010, 08:35:23 AM
Payed the second installment.
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Big Boris October 29, 2010, 09:00:00 AM
I will be charging shipping separately for all the dragons depending on where you live and what's the safest service available. Some of you have already paid shipping in previous payments, don't worry, I'll take that into account. If you want to hang on until shipping is known, then you can of course do so. If you want to pay the remaining deposits and then pay the shipping later when known, just pay the money and choose no shipping - dragon deposits 1 or 2 only.
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Nosferatu October 29, 2010, 09:58:14 AM
Okay, since it is probably a good thing to be able too pay your mortgage, I've made my third payment. Hope that helps a little.  :yup: ...and you've still got money to cast the thing when it's ready!  :whistle:

Getting excited about this now!  :boing:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: DRAGON October 30, 2010, 07:54:49 AM
So if I pay the remaining £70 are you going to put up a seperate P&P payment option on the site basket as I will be paying by card ?  :scratchhead:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Big Boris October 30, 2010, 10:29:32 AM
Yes.
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Toosh October 30, 2010, 10:39:08 AM
Wow, reading these last few posts it's like seeing a load of expectant fathers pacing up and down in a maternity ward!!  :lmao:  I'm going to add myself to the pacing group - Andy if you need someone to hold your hand whilst you give it the last few 'pushes' just let me know ;)  Just keep your breathing nice and easy and it will all be over before you know it and you'll have a bouncing 'baby' dragon :boing:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: beefcake October 30, 2010, 10:53:37 AM
I imagine the spines would make for a very bad birthing experience.
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: DRAGON October 30, 2010, 01:09:03 PM
I imagine the spines would make for a very bad birthing experience.
:shock: ouch !  :lol:
Just paid the remaining £70 .................... :popcorn:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: mcfonz October 30, 2010, 01:11:28 PM
I just realised that the dragon is to Andy what the Sistine Chapel was to Michaelangelo . . . . . .   :blink:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: weareblind October 30, 2010, 02:02:14 PM
Ahahahah a little bit ambitious!  :thumbup:
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Ajsalium October 30, 2010, 02:33:19 PM
"The demon guy" is about to disappear. :tears:

From now on Andy will be known as "the dragon guy".
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. [UPDATED Halloween 2010] DONE!!!!
: Big Boris October 30, 2010, 02:59:11 PM
Hey, look.

http://www.heresyminiatures.com/dragon.htm
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. [UPDATED Halloween 2010] DONE!!!!
: Cait Sidhe October 30, 2010, 03:09:15 PM
Hey, look.

http://www.heresyminiatures.com/dragon.htm

:notworthy:

I couldn't find a champagne popping emoticon.  :lalala:
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: Ajsalium October 30, 2010, 03:17:49 PM
Here you have:

(http://images.zaazu.com/img/cheers-fem-anim-cheers-champagne-wine-smiley-emoticon-000548-large.gif)(http://files.myopera.com/isy-co/blog/cheers-anim-cheers-champagne-wine-smiley-emoticon-000272-large.gif)
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: fredox October 30, 2010, 03:55:34 PM
Now that is a nice birthday present. Nice to see it posted up.  :applause:
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: Beastlord October 30, 2010, 03:59:19 PM
Whooo! Congratulations Andy!  :boing:
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: Inso October 30, 2010, 04:08:43 PM
Congratulations Andy!  It is a truly remarkable piece of work :mrgreen:!
: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. (WIP) [UPDATED Jan 2010]
: Mortanius October 30, 2010, 04:18:05 PM
Here you have:

(http://images.zaazu.com/img/cheers-fem-anim-cheers-champagne-wine-smiley-emoticon-000548-large.gif)(http://files.myopera.com/isy-co/blog/cheers-anim-cheers-champagne-wine-smiley-emoticon-000272-large.gif)

thats great, the enoticon and the dragon.  I can't wait for the when the dragon is moulded.
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: Wanderer October 30, 2010, 04:34:05 PM
Thats properly awesome! :applause:

I've just shown the missus and she was suitably gobsmacked by the amount of detail... Then while she was still marvelling I slipped it in that I'll be getting one. Good news is that I have a fat stack of overtime coming up this month so work are paying for it :boing:
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: Toosh October 30, 2010, 06:36:29 PM
Holy crap!  :shock:  Andy you have done a truly outstanding job. He is fekking enormous and looks the dogs danglies.  :notworthy:  That's all I can say for now!!  :applause: :lalala: :notworthy: :applause: :lalala: :notworthy:

EDIT: Just paid my last deposit :D
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: Wildheart October 30, 2010, 06:52:19 PM
Anticipated in it's creation, unparalleled on it's completion! Awesome! :notworthy:
 :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: 
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: gi6ers October 30, 2010, 06:58:15 PM
Can we have a deathball version?
 :D





Brilliant Andy, simply brilliant!  You need a painted one for Salute and lots of lights on the thing in a cabinet!! Got any people who are handy with an airbrush on standby?






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: Lurching Dead October 30, 2010, 07:00:39 PM
Andy that is just flippin amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Quite simply the best thing I have ever seen.

My final £60 has been paid (cos I just have been).

Look forward to holding this in my sweaty little mits.  :boing:

 :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:
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: clam October 30, 2010, 07:54:28 PM
Who would have thought that  :whistle:

Nah! just kidding of course.  It's stunning Andy - and damn it's big. I am in absolute no need of a dragon - but for those of you that are, I think you'll be getting the greatest dragon ever made. Awesome, awesome miniature  :applause: :applause: :applause:

So Andy, how does it feel? Happy, overly excited, drunk ...?


Oh, and gave it a little plug here: http://www.chaos-dwarfs.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=5872&pid=143703#pid143703 - hopefully you won't mind.

 
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: fredox October 30, 2010, 08:03:58 PM
Just ordered a second one. Been thinking about it since I saw the final pics. I'll be like a kid waiting for Christmas now. :boing: :boing: :boing: :boing: :boing: :boing: :boing:
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: Wings October 30, 2010, 09:07:25 PM
That's the most beautiful dragon I've ever seen Andy. I hope you think it's been worth it!

Can't wait until it's all finished and released.  :boing:  :boing:  :boing:  :boing:
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: beefcake October 30, 2010, 09:11:55 PM
 :tears: It's... so... beautiful

 :thumbup:
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: Insane_Prophet October 30, 2010, 09:20:07 PM
Well done Andy! It looks absolutely gorgeous, as I'm sure we all knew it would be.

I hope that you can relax a little more once it's all done and hopefully it'll bring in enough money to have it worthwhile. It's honestly the best Dragon miniature I've ever seen and deserves to be purchased as such!
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: Vermis October 30, 2010, 10:52:45 PM
 :D

Congrats, Andy.
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: Avicenna October 31, 2010, 12:06:53 AM
wow! Andy, you have really done us proud!
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: hawkins October 31, 2010, 02:06:18 AM
A master work, because you truely are a master Andy, congrates on the best dragon ive ever seen.
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: agentmolar October 31, 2010, 07:46:50 AM
Hey hey hey!!! 

Congrats Andy!! Fantastic news, and looking forward to seeing it in the flesh.

Let me know what the postage to Oz will be and Ill be winging the payment forthwith!
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: DRAGON October 31, 2010, 09:38:42 AM
 :shock: I thought it was going to be taller......................... :lmao:
I am now scaring myself - I've got to try and paint the thing !  :paranoid2:
Definately worth the wait and the money !  8) :yup:
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: weareblind October 31, 2010, 10:14:14 AM
(http://www.timefold.com/rbhimages/rbh.Smaug.jpg)
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: alchemist October 31, 2010, 02:08:13 PM
Fantastic piece of work, Andy.  Can't wait to see the next one in the series.  :devilgrin
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: Inso October 31, 2010, 04:01:03 PM
Fantastic piece of work, Andy.  Can't wait to see the next one in the series.  :devilgrin

...I reckon that would be a baby dragon in 6mm scale ;)...
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: atacam October 31, 2010, 08:08:23 PM
Just ordered mine :boing:

Now I need to work out how to make it into a fighting dragon diorama with the Rackham resin dragon for Salute.

Do you think it would have a chance!!!! :lmao:
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: Graeme October 31, 2010, 09:02:06 PM
     :jawdrop:       :applause: :applause: :applause: :thumbup: :thumbup:
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: Mortanius November 01, 2010, 12:47:07 AM
Just ordered mine :boing:

Now I need to work out how to make it into a fighting dragon diorama with the Rackham resin dragon for Salute.

Do you think it would have a chance!!!! :lmao:

I don't know what Rackham's Dragon looks like, but I am guessing it would not stand a chance.

But from just looking at the forge world dragons, I think this one is still a lot better then what they have. But I would like to see this one next too their chaos dragon, since it says that it is about the same size as Andy's.
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: beefcake November 01, 2010, 01:36:36 AM
Apart from the size they are miles apart, Andy's is way superior, I think the FW one looks a little strange (even though it is chaos)
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: weareblind November 01, 2010, 09:05:31 AM
I thought about to buy the FW Chaos dragon (I'm totally involved in chaotic miniatures  :yup: ) but IMHO it's a little bit too... confused?
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: Nosferatu November 01, 2010, 11:23:53 AM

I don't know what Rackham's Dragon looks like, but I am guessing it would not stand a chance.


Rackham's titan dragon has approximately the same wingspan as Andy's, but the body is very different, more wyrm like. Andy's look a lot bulkier. It will be interesting to see them (my 2 favourite dragons) side-by-side...  :smile:
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: Ben Brownlie November 01, 2010, 11:28:24 AM
I looked at the thread earlier and wanted to say something but didn;t know what to say

So i thought I'd come back later, have another look and say something

Still speechless

So I'll settle for  :notworthy:
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: Tasker November 01, 2010, 01:06:39 PM
I looked at the thread earlier and wanted to say something but didn;t know what to say

So i thought I'd come back later, have another look and say something

Still speechless

So I'll settle for  :notworthy:

I'm the same,  i've been trying to work out what to say but can only come up with....

:faint::faint::faint::faint::faint::faint::faint::faint::faint::faint::faint::faint:
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: Dravi November 01, 2010, 01:28:17 PM
 :boing:

An absolutely beautiful figure.

 :applause:
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: Balgin Stondraeg November 01, 2010, 03:45:00 PM
Wooo! Finaly got my order in. I think a miniature that big needs a big can of red spray or green spray for the undercoat otherwise it'd take forever to finish.
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: Gangrel November 01, 2010, 07:49:01 PM
Stunning!

And I envy you guys who got in with the deposit scheme. I was seriously considering going for that, then Andy mentioned how the price was maybe not really realistic and I couldn't, in good faith, pay the first deposit after reading that.

I hope it does the business for Heresy and that Andy will be able to get more cash off me for Serene Crewmen and Nerdlord-related stuff by way of tiny recompense.

Best,
Mike 
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: DRAGON November 01, 2010, 08:18:24 PM
I sat at work last night and started sketching designs for a scenic base............  :lol:
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: fredox November 01, 2010, 08:36:35 PM
Scenic base? Scenic base? It's got a blooming huge rock.  :smile:

With regard to the price Gangrel I know Andy will be getting more cash from in the not to distant future because of his attitude towards this dragon and the recent price increases. If more companies were this open I'm sure customer loyalty would increase everywhere.
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: DRAGON November 01, 2010, 08:44:34 PM
Scenic base? Scenic base? It's got a blooming huge rock.  :smile:

Yeah but it doesn't have a waterfall and pool does it ?  :angel: :whistle:
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: fredox November 01, 2010, 11:19:42 PM
I look forward to seeing it. Will the pool have a scantily clad lady swimming in it for the dragon to protect?

Can't remember what forum it was on but somebody compared the people waiting for the dragon to expectant fathers. Not had that honour myself but I guess that's what I'm feeling like and it's only been a couple days.
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: Nosferatu November 02, 2010, 12:45:12 AM
Except this dragon has had a longer gestation period than an elephant!  :whistle:
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: TheAuldGrump November 02, 2010, 02:06:20 AM
Oh ye cods and little fishies! That thing is a Brute!
I am going to be painting the beast up as a present for my girlfriend's mum - as Smaug in a diorama. Congratulations on a masterful Dragon.

The Auld Grump, now let us see if I can get it painted up by Christmas....
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: weareblind November 02, 2010, 08:24:13 AM
Before Christmas? Yes, but of what year?
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: Vermis November 02, 2010, 09:59:37 PM
I am going to be painting the beast up as a present for my girlfriend's mum - as Smaug in a diorama.

:) 'Tis very Smaugish, IMO.  I'mn tempted to go red and gold meself.  Then explain to people it isn't an Iron Man dragon.
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: Gothy Beans November 03, 2010, 12:13:48 PM
 :boing: Gorgeous! Amazing! Adjectives!

I feel conflicted that I didn't jump on the deposit scheme when it was around (because I both had no money, and the dragon was taking quite a while to perfect) so I'm going to wait and see now, and hopefully be able to realistically save up for it at full price.

I still have the colossal D&D minis dragon boxed up downstairs that I was planning to sell off to buy this one. A dragon for a dragon, so to speak. Seems logical in my mind (or more justifiable to people who don't understand the allure of lead).
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: Lorbaat November 03, 2010, 02:15:03 PM
I really wish I had either the extra money or the need for a huge dragon.  As soon as I have either I will be buying.  In 20+ years of miniatures hobby-ing I have never seen a dragon miniature that compares to this one.
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: Sir Chiddlington-Smythe November 03, 2010, 08:05:24 PM
Its just amazing. Kudos. If I ever forked out for it my girlfriend would have me sleeping in the shed, but still - amazing. I feel like I've shared in an epic twitter struggle! :notworthy:
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: beefcake November 04, 2010, 02:18:00 AM
 :metoo: especially with exchange rates, preorder would have been a couple of days pay. It would be worth every penny though without a doubt.
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: yxalitis November 10, 2010, 02:05:54 AM
 :boing: :boing:
:boing: :boing:
Hey, look.

http://www.heresyminiatures.com/dragon.htm

Wow, awesome looking dragon, well worth the wait, and the money...

Just a clarification..i have paid £100 in 2 payments made a few months ago...do I have to add some more for shipping, and if so, how much?
Can you reply by PM, so I can see your response in amongst the 1,000,000 congratulatory posts?
Thanks
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: Big Boris November 10, 2010, 11:54:33 AM
I've already supplied the answer - I will invoice people for shipping separately when known...
: Re: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. [UPDATED Halloween 2010] DONE!!!!
: yxalitis November 11, 2010, 12:13:16 PM
I've already supplied the answer - I will invoice people for shipping separately when known...
Cheers, that post was lost in amongst the noise...

Now, I just have to find a Dragon of Aarklash..!
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: Tasker November 12, 2010, 01:12:33 PM
Andy, I was just wondering about the dragon's tongue.

In your opinion, how easy would it be to replace it with a smooth non-forked one?   ( Not asking you to do it, but as you know how the tongue is attached and how many pieces it's in, I just thought i'd ask. )
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: Big Boris November 12, 2010, 01:27:48 PM
Pretty easy. There's one included. :salute: The tongue just fits into the back of the mouth. You can put anything else suitable in there or make your own out of putty, even...
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: SteveB November 12, 2010, 03:34:38 PM
You could make your Dragon much more commercially viable if one of the tongue options was a twin linked assault cannon with an Ultramarine logo on it.
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: Tasker November 12, 2010, 06:35:23 PM
Pretty easy. There's one included. :salute: The tongue just fits into the back of the mouth. You can put anything else suitable in there or make your own out of putty, even...

You sir, are a god... or at the very least a demi-god.     :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:




You could make your Dragon much more commercially viable if one of the tongue options was a twin linked assault cannon with an Ultramarine logo on it.

It's only a matter of time before GW realise this and do it to theirs.   :blink: :silly
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: beefcake November 12, 2010, 09:20:52 PM
You can put anything else suitable in there

 :paranoid2:
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: Vermis November 12, 2010, 10:24:25 PM
: Big Boris
Pretty easy. There's one included.

Okily dokily then.

You sir, are a god... or at the very least a demi-god.     :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:

Hey.  By tung wuth up deuh fuhsd.
: Re: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. [UPDATED Halloween 2010] DONE!!!!
: Big Boris November 13, 2010, 11:08:27 AM
@Vermis
LOL, took me a minute to read that properly and get the joke. Nice!

@Tasker
I learned a long time that if one is subject to accusations of (or a subject of preconception as to) Godhood, one should always reply in the affirmative. I learnt it from Ghostbusters. :yup:
: Re: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. [UPDATED Halloween 2010] DONE!!!!
: Big Boris November 13, 2010, 11:10:19 AM
Just so everyone not on FB or Twitter knows, the Dragon has arrived safely at Fenris Games, who will be attempting to cast it. More news soon, including actual final price for those who haven't paid anything yet.

Waiting list currently stands at around 62 people fully paid up. Now just have to find the money to pay for all their dragons... :whistle:
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: Big Boris November 16, 2010, 11:44:08 AM
Expect the price of the Dragon to change from £100 to somewhere between £150 and £200 in a day or two's time...
and just to cover some stuff mentioned on Facebook -

1)if you placed a deposit two years ago or whenever then you will get a couple of months to pay the rest of the £100 you were guaranteed at that time. If you don't pay it within a reasonable time period (and I appreciate that it's unfair of me to suddenly demand remainder of money when people have been waiting two years in the first place), you'll end up paying the higher price. On account of me possibly only making £10 out of that £100. :shrug:
It's up in the air at the moment as to exactly how much the Dragon will cost to buy in, Ian is going to do the best he can to keep the cost down but it's a lot of very technical work that, it turns out, requires high-end rubbers etc and the original guesstimate from two years ago might be as much as 50% of the eventual price. It might not. I would put the price up right this moment but I don't want to overprice it if it turns out the raw cost is cheaper than the amount I would have to allow for.

2)I have no idea how feasible resin prices are and I'd hate to be accused of Forgeworld-style overpricing by moaning arseholes on Warseer or somewhere. Basically, I'm employing one highly trained man to cast ONLY my Dragon for se...veral months, and there'll always be some git who declares that his mate could do it for £20 a pop with no understanding of the basic issues involved in the casting. The moulds alone will cost £100's in rubber. The manhours will cost money, and never mind me spending all the time sculpting it.
Look at this, I'm getting preemptively angry at comments that haven't even been made yet. Unless they have. And if they have I bet it's on some GW site...

(enters eternal loop of angry bitching and second guessing)

3) There'll still be a deposit scheme for people to pay in installments - I don't see how anyone has £200 put away these days, so I'll be offering people the chance to buy it over several purchases. (Maybe I can put the individual components up at one point or something, have to see how it goes in terms of production castability.)

Hope this covers any questions?
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: Big Boris November 16, 2010, 11:45:43 AM
Oh, and those of you who really wish to pay the higher price regardless of deposits, you may of course do so, or as much extra as you think you care to donate...all gratefully received and absolutely no moral judgements will be made! ;)
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: fredox November 16, 2010, 12:39:51 PM
I was just thinking how much can I wangle out of this months pay check to put towards a order of some other bits I've been looking at. Anyway, thanks for the news on the dragon and expect an order towards the end of the month.
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: gi6ers November 16, 2010, 01:36:09 PM
so can I just buy the head on it's own at some point Andy? I appreciate that this isn't looking that viable but I'd love to paint this for display...
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: RogerB November 16, 2010, 02:30:20 PM
Paid up fully today.   :boing:
: Re: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. [UPDATED Halloween 2010] DONE!!!!
: Big Boris November 19, 2010, 01:29:01 PM
New price and part-payment scheme is now up, also an option for those of you who need to pay the remainder of what you owe. If you are eligible for the old price of £100, use the special box to pay in multiples of £10. Those of you 'battling your conscience' can also use this to pay as much extra towards your own Dragon as you wish, if you feel you need to!

http://www.heresyminiatures.com/dragon.htm

You have until 31st January 2011 to pay the remainder of your £100-Guaranteed price Dragon. After this date the guarantee offer expires and you will have to pay £200 (less whatever you have paid already) per Dragon that you have part-paid for.

As to shipping, those of you who have pre-ordered already will be invoiced when your dragon is ready to ship. Those of you paying for new ones please choose the best shipping option for your country eg UK: Special Delivery, Europe/Eire: Airsure, etc
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: Dravi November 19, 2010, 01:40:23 PM
Woohoo!   :boing:
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: caerban November 19, 2010, 02:07:38 PM
I wonder how far down the list I am...
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: DRAGON November 19, 2010, 02:35:57 PM
Wonder if I could jump a few places as it's my birthday next Thursday................ :whistle: :angel: :lol:
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: vampifan November 19, 2010, 09:08:32 PM
I've just paid my third deposit, although I wasn't 100% certain of the exact dates I paid my first two deposits. If I'm wrong, apologies, Andy, but I won't be far off the mark.
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: yxalitis November 25, 2010, 01:46:28 AM

You have until 31st January 2011 to pay the remainder of your £100-Guaranteed price Dragon. After this date the guarantee offer expires and you will have to pay £200 (less whatever you have paid already) per Dragon that you have part-paid for.

As to shipping, those of you who have pre-ordered already will be invoiced when your dragon is ready to ship. Those of you paying for new ones please choose the best shipping option for your country eg UK: Special Delivery, Europe/Eire: Airsure, etc


Hi Andy,
Just want to confirm that you've received the full £100 from me? (thank God for alt-156 on this non-UK keyboard)
Also, is your list order based on 'first paid deposit', first served, or 'first paid full amount', first served?
Or, to put it bluntly, where am I on your list?
Bugger it, I'll flick you an extra £40 for shipping, and as an outright bribe to bump me up the list!

This going to me my biggest dragon ever, and I have some big dragons at home...
Gauth
Teronus the Ultimate Dragon
The Great Big Ral Partha Skeletal Dragon Whose Name I Can't Remember Right Now
And if the ebay auction doesn't go to ridiculous levels...
Titan Dragon of Aarklash
This one:
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200546573189&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
Already $300++ USD...and you think Andy's dragon is expensive!

But none looks as dragony as this mighty beast...
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: Big Boris November 25, 2010, 09:00:30 AM
First fully paid up, first served. There are now 109 people fully paid up. If you want to know your place on the list, I kinda need to know your real name... ;)
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: beefcake November 25, 2010, 09:05:56 AM
That must be a good influx of money for you, pity about the production costs. :(
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: Big Boris November 25, 2010, 09:40:26 AM
Yes, if no production costs were involved, then I'd have just halved my business overdraft. As it is, since I have to actually pay for all these dragons, I could be anywhere between £50 and £2500 short of what I need to pay for all 110. (Another one just after I posted the last time) Yet to get a final cost in.

@yxalitis
You're number 109. Sorry, but there are quite a few people who paid just as much or more earlier in the queue, too! Can't bump anyone or I'll be quite rightly hunted down and killed... :erm: :lol:
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: Big Boris November 25, 2010, 09:44:35 AM
Oh, wait, no I see. Sorry. You're actually number 26. Now it's going to look like I bumped you after all... :lmao:
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: Big Boris November 25, 2010, 09:50:51 AM
At a rough guess, by the way, assuming all goes well with the initial test castings...the first 20 or 30 dragons might actually get sent out before Christmas...that's if all goes well...
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: weareblind November 25, 2010, 12:13:35 PM
 :applause: :applause:
I've no hurry, so I think next summer will be a good period for me!
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: Nosferatu November 25, 2010, 09:05:12 PM
Oh, wait, no I see. Sorry. You're actually number 26. Now it's going to look like I bumped you after all... :lmao:

Jumped 83 places, not bad... How much was that bribe again?  :wink:
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: yxalitis November 25, 2010, 09:13:18 PM
Oh, wait, no I see. Sorry. You're actually number 26. Now it's going to look like I bumped you after all... :lmao:

Jumped 83 places, not bad... How much was that bribe again?  :wink:
Fortunately, I posted in this thread when I paid up in full, and it's quite a few pages back!
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: Nosferatu November 25, 2010, 10:07:46 PM
 :lol: 'twas back on October 12th. Since I didn't make my final payment 'til Oct 29th, I guess I'm a fair way behind you.  :scratchhead:

...bugger!  :roll:
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: Cait Sidhe November 26, 2010, 02:55:05 AM
Woot I was fully paid up back in September last year! Should put me pretty far up the list.  :lalala:
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: Big Boris November 26, 2010, 08:40:17 AM
:lol: 'twas back on October 12th. Since I didn't make my final payment 'til Oct 29th, I guess I'm a fair way behind you.  :scratchhead:

...bugger!  :roll:

Actually, not too bad... you're 33rd. Two days after that and you'd be about 24 places further down the queue, though...

Woot I was fully paid up back in September last year! Should put me pretty far up the list.  :lalala:

12th!
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: Nosferatu November 26, 2010, 09:37:07 AM
:lol: 'twas back on October 12th. Since I didn't make my final payment 'til Oct 29th, I guess I'm a fair way behind you.  :scratchhead:

...bugger!  :roll:

Actually, not too bad... you're 33rd. Two days after that and you'd be about 24 places further down the queue, though...

Cool! I can live with that!  :yup: Thanks Andy!
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: Beastlord November 26, 2010, 01:38:45 PM
Heyup, just wanting to check that my full payment was recieved on tuesday! I appreciate that I'm right down the bottom of the list.. damn student loan company... (I'm Ewan Richards in real life)
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: Ajsalium November 26, 2010, 05:26:23 PM
Woot I was fully paid up back in September last year! Should put me pretty far up the list.  :lalala:
12th!

I too fully paid (my first dragon) in September last year... muahahahaha
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: DRAGON November 26, 2010, 05:38:38 PM
:lol: 'twas back on October 12th. Since I didn't make my final payment 'til Oct 29th, I guess I'm a fair way behind you.  :scratchhead:

...bugger!  :roll:

Actually, not too bad... you're 33rd. Two days after that and you'd be about 24 places further down the queue, though...

I paid mine about 9.30am on the 30th Oct guess I wont be too far behind.............. :lol:
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: Mortanius November 26, 2010, 09:28:55 PM
once production really gets going making the dragons I am sure the list is going to go through fairly fast, so I don't know how much it would matter where someone is on the list.
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: agentmolar November 26, 2010, 09:38:05 PM
D-Day is getting closer. Awesome.
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: DRAGON November 26, 2010, 10:01:45 PM
once production really gets going making the dragons I am sure the list is going to go through fairly fast, so I don't know how much it would matter where someone is on the list.

You don't realise the level of anticipation here  :grrr:  :lol:
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: agentmolar November 27, 2010, 09:41:57 AM
OK. Ive got to know.. where am I Andy?
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: Big Boris November 27, 2010, 09:49:41 AM
Australia?  If not, then I give up.


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: Big Boris November 27, 2010, 09:50:08 AM
Oh, what larks. You're ninth, Kurt!
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: Big Boris November 27, 2010, 09:51:18 AM
Heyup, just wanting to check that my full payment was recieved on tuesday! I appreciate that I'm right down the bottom of the list.. damn student loan company... (I'm Ewan Richards in real life)

104, Ewan!
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: Big Boris November 27, 2010, 09:53:10 AM
I wonder how far down the list I am...
14th, Chris!
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: Big Boris November 27, 2010, 09:54:45 AM
I paid mine about 9.30am on the 30th Oct guess I wont be too far behind.............. :lol:

34th!
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: agentmolar November 27, 2010, 12:09:47 PM
Ha ha  AWESOME!!!! Sorry if you have already said it Andy, but when do you want me to fix you up for postage?  I think that also means I make the cut for the first week of production!! Woohoo.
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: Tasker November 27, 2010, 05:33:02 PM
...You're ninth, Kurt!


I nearly spat my tea out when I first read that, I read it as something totally different.     :crazy:
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: TSR November 27, 2010, 06:52:48 PM
The word is spreading that it is finished.......

http://the-lost-and-the-damned.664610.n2.nabble.com/The-Dragon-of-them-all-td5780132.html
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: yxalitis November 30, 2010, 12:39:03 AM
Someone should post this on CMON... :shrug:

Oh, wait, that'd be me....!  :yup:

http://www.coolminiornot.com/forums/showthread.php?43940-Heresy-Dragon-finally-completed
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: DRAGON November 30, 2010, 03:17:38 PM
The word is spreading that it is finished.......

http://the-lost-and-the-damned.664610.n2.nabble.com/The-Dragon-of-them-all-td5780132.html

And apparently someone called Mark RG on there thinks it's a great paint job !  :lol:
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: weareblind November 30, 2010, 04:11:04 PM
It seems that in the Italian forums temperature is rising up.
http://www.triplozero.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=2109
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: beefcake November 30, 2010, 06:55:25 PM
The word is spreading that it is finished.......

http://the-lost-and-the-damned.664610.n2.nabble.com/The-Dragon-of-them-all-td5780132.html

And apparently someone called Mark RG on there thinks it's a great paint job !  :lol:


 :lol:
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: Wanderer November 30, 2010, 09:55:05 PM
There might have been some minor pimping around the web :whistle:
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: Vermis December 01, 2010, 02:19:45 AM
And apparently someone called Mark RG on there thinks it's a great paint job !  :lol:

To be fair I've seen worse paints jobs get better praise. :whistle:
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: Jimmy December 01, 2010, 11:29:13 AM
Awesome news on the dragon. Paid the rest that I owe today!

Congrats to Andy for pulling this off. 118 preorders is fantastic!

Can I find out my position on the list? Has the list been published?
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: Big Boris December 01, 2010, 11:52:45 AM
Can I find out my position on the list? Has the list been published?

It hasn't been published - data protection act, etc. But I can tell you that you're number 130 on the list...
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: ryu December 01, 2010, 06:53:47 PM
Hi Andy can u let me know my position on the list please, my name is David Archer muahahahaha
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: weareblind December 01, 2010, 08:52:24 PM
Hi Andy can u let me know my position on the list please, my name is David Archer muahahahaha
You're a quick one David!
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: ryu December 01, 2010, 08:57:49 PM
Hi Andy can u let me know my position on the list please, my name is David Archer muahahahaha
You're a quick one David!

err really?  :whistle:
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: Twosoc December 01, 2010, 09:29:22 PM
Go on then where am I?  Just so I know when to clear out the cabinet.  Not that it'll get past the priming stage, and thats if I get time to stick the b*gger together.  :scratchhead:
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: gi6ers December 01, 2010, 09:40:17 PM
Not that it'll get past the priming stage

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!  Even it you spray it red and drybrush it you've got to paint the thing!!  (Halfords do a red primer)

Much as I've resisted it, one day I'll have one of these.  Or just the head if Andy goes for my trophy idea..perhaps in metal  :drevil2: :paranoid2:
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: Toosh December 01, 2010, 09:45:09 PM
Can I find out my position on the list? Has the list been published?

It hasn't been published - data protection act, etc. But I can tell you that you're number 130 on the list...

Ooh there's a list?!?!  Please can you tell me my number!  If it's low enough I might sell my place on ebay!!  muahahahaha :angel:
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: Twosoc December 01, 2010, 09:46:06 PM
You're not far off, I was thinking either green or possibly black dragon after watching how to train your dragon.  Either way it'll be halfords grey primer then a coloured over the top.
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: yxalitis December 01, 2010, 10:50:31 PM
Go on then where am I?  Just so I know when to clear out the cabinet.  Not that it'll get past the priming stage, and thats if I get time to stick the b*gger together.  :scratchhead:
Yes, like the Netherlord 2 figure I have..that I haven't even built yet!  :oops:
Got the first 2 pieces joined, couldn't fit the next 2...gave up... :swear:
Must go back and try again one day.... 8:::
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: Big Boris December 02, 2010, 08:12:12 AM
Hi Andy can u let me know my position on the list please, my name is David Archer muahahahaha

78th, David. And everyone I've mentioned previously as having a number higher than 77, you just went down one. I missed David's name off the list for some reason...good job you asked, David! :oops: Apologies...

Go on then where am I?  Just so I know when to clear out the cabinet.  Not that it'll get past the priming stage, and thats if I get time to stick the b*gger together.  :scratchhead:

27th, Tim!

Ooh there's a list?!?!  Please can you tell me my number!  If it's low enough I might sell my place on ebay!!  muahahahaha :angel:

:tsk: You're 38th and Pete's 39th.
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: DRAGON December 02, 2010, 08:32:54 AM
I will sell you my position for a Billion pounds !  :drevil:
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: Ajsalium December 02, 2010, 10:14:12 AM
Alright, I'm not going to be the only one who doesn't ask... Where am I on the list, Andy?
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: Big Boris December 02, 2010, 10:18:48 AM
Number 10.
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: Nosferatu December 02, 2010, 10:56:54 AM
 :lol: Is this getting annoying yet?  :roll:
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: weareblind December 02, 2010, 11:31:50 AM
If this salvo of question is going on, Andy'll shatter the Dragon!
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: Twosoc December 02, 2010, 03:10:35 PM
27th, Tim!

Woo hoo, thanks, I'm so excited, I can't wait. :boing: :ooohyeah2: :eatlead:
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: RogerB December 02, 2010, 03:38:07 PM
Alright, I'm not going to be the only one who doesn't ask... Where am I on the list, Andy?

You weren't the only one who hadn't asked.  I haven't and I'm not going to.  I'll leave it a surprise, although I did pay up before the total reached 78.
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: falela December 02, 2010, 04:21:14 PM
Andy, could you just publish the final payment date of every other 10 in the pre-order list, so people can have a reasonable guess at where they are in the list.
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: weareblind December 02, 2010, 05:10:24 PM
You weren't the only one who hadn't asked.  I haven't and I'm not going to.  I'll leave it a surprise, although I did pay up before the total reached 78.
:wry: I'm conserving my bullet-question for Christmas! (2011 of course)
I have no hurry, I've just moved my glass cabinet from office to house and it's a spectacle. So FULL of lead (luckily I oversized my basement...)
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: yxalitis December 03, 2010, 02:39:17 AM
YAY,
Lucky me, I grabbed a fully boxed, brand new, unopened Rackham Titan Dragon from ebay UK. (If £250 can be considered a 'bargain')
Now, i have the two best dragons ever made!
Back to the Heresy Dragon
Umm, firstly, what is it called?
It must be the only dragon mini without a name, it's simply: "The Dragon"
I s'pose that's kind of fitting...THE dragon, all the others mere pretenders...

Sooo, what would you guys paint him?, I am the sort of painter who really needs help with colour choice, I often copy a design I see on CMON, or the colour scheme used on the manufacturer's website or even th box art. Only occasionally do I dare to try new a new colour style, and get about a 50/50 success rate.
I have been geared towards a green style on The Dragon, but I guess that's cos I have only seen it in green stuff!
I would love to hear your thoughts, suggestions, opinions. How are you gonna paint him (her)?

Thanks
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: beefcake December 03, 2010, 06:34:52 AM
All other dragon's don't compare to this guy and aren't even worthy of the name "dragon" hence this being the one and only "The Dragon"
(No disrespect meant dragon  :wink:)
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: DRAGON December 03, 2010, 08:27:47 AM
None taken !  :lol:
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: Vermis December 04, 2010, 02:08:01 AM
K'rak'kugarn''hahk'urak'''kark'harshsyllableapostrophe

Mine's going to be brown.  Lovely lovely brown.  And not one of those eye-blistering garish browns like reddish-brown or golden brown.  Mine's going to be a brilliant shade of beige.
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: yxalitis December 04, 2010, 05:35:46 AM
Beige...god, I HOPE not!

Like white, it's not possible to paint something white, there has to be SOME colour in there, a very light shade of...whatever, something, anything.
But pure white can't work, even "white" animals like polar bears and my Samoyed are in fact a million shades of light cream.
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: Nosferatu December 04, 2010, 11:37:51 AM
 :lol: The beige dragon. Now that's scary!

Mine will most likely be black or some very dark purpley/greeney version of black.

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: Avicenna December 04, 2010, 12:12:12 PM
Green and brown for me :) natural colours FTW
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: Vermis December 04, 2010, 01:58:39 PM
Beige...god, I HOPE not!

...there has to be SOME colour in there, a very light shade of...whatever, something, anything.

Ain't he adorable.

Also, Beefcake: the way I see it Andy's a bit like a young blood who's just gunned down an infamous old gunslinger in a wild west duel.  Now all the punks wantin' to make a name fer themselves will come gunnin' fer him.
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: beefcake December 04, 2010, 07:52:48 PM
That's kind of what the pose of the dragon is like too, ready to do some damage to other punk dragons ( and no, punk dragons aren't a good idea for a mini)
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: DRAGON December 04, 2010, 08:12:49 PM
Cant decide on a colour until I have it in my hands - hoping inspiration will strike !
Maybe luminous pink..............  :lol:
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: Lurching Dead December 04, 2010, 08:38:25 PM
Cant decide on a colour until I have it in my hands - hoping inspiration will strike !
Maybe luminous pink..............  :lol:

Now that I'd like to see!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 :blink:
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: Tasker December 04, 2010, 11:04:54 PM
Cant decide on a colour until I have it in my hands - hoping inspiration will strike !
Maybe luminous pink..............  :lol:

Now there's an idea...

 :scratchhead:

... I still have an almost full pot of original batch titilating pink in amongst my paints.    muahahahaha
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: yxalitis December 05, 2010, 12:01:57 AM
Cant decide on a colour until I have it in my hands - hoping inspiration will strike !
Maybe luminous pink..............  :lol:
Aaah, guys, don't diss that too quickly
Mebbe not for The Dragon, but...

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ts1HdLGjywM/TFQObA4ZheI/AAAAAAAAMcQ/NGnHsWwkBys/s1600/two_headed_dragon_chaos.JPG)
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: fredox December 05, 2010, 07:20:01 PM
I'm thinking one red and one green at the moment. Nice and traditional. Black could be an option but to be honest I'm not really sure yet apart from the one being green.
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: Big Boris December 08, 2010, 12:40:51 PM
Quick update from Ian at Fenris who has foolishly agreed to undertake the job of casting the Dragon for you all. Weather here in the UK is not helping out in terms of Dragon casting:

"Hi Andy

Quick update....

Still waiting on main supply of newplast for the big wing moulds (posted
the day before the snow, now sitting in a Parcelforce depot somewhere in
the UK...) but have been working through the rest of the pieces with
what materials I do have in stock. Head & neck are done and should
(hopefully) see test castings today/tomorrow. Pics to follow as soon as
they're worth looking at :)

Still got snow on the ground here, expect you're the same. Van has been
snowed in since last Tuesday, so still walking to work. All adds to the
fun....apparently. Cold weather is buggering up mould cure
times....resin generates itsown exotherm so still sets reasonably well
at approx 15 degrees (the best I can get the workshop up to at the
minute) but rubber is taking 18 hours to cure hard rather than the
normal 6-8. I always seem to get big casting jobs at the time of year
when the weather least suits it...two years back it was giant pub signs
for greene king brewery, last year 9' tall flake for Cadbury World.
C'est la guerre.....

Cheers mate

Ian"
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: Mortanius December 08, 2010, 12:54:14 PM
thats great to hear some news about the dragon.
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: DRAGON December 08, 2010, 07:37:28 PM
 :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
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: vectrum December 14, 2010, 07:09:53 PM
what number am i please andy?
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: Big Boris December 15, 2010, 09:19:38 AM
64th, Alistair!
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: SpeedofDark December 15, 2010, 01:01:01 PM
Hi Andy,

Great to hear that the Dragon is finished. I can't wait to see it in "the flesh", so to speak.

Given that others are asking, where would I fit in the order list (Andrew Walliker)?

Cheers

Andrew
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: vectrum December 15, 2010, 01:02:42 PM
 :shock: WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
Got to say I'm very disappointed not to have been given priorty, since I must have been one of the first to pay a deposit within 24 hours of you announcing the dragon, almost two years ago. I know i did not pay the full amount but you have got to admit this dragged on so long and there was a lot going on with your money situation and having to move but that must have made others worry aswell as myself that the whole endeavour would come to a bad end.
I love the items you make, thats why I have so many of them (80+ models), thats why when you first told us about the dragon I put my hand in my pocket right away for the deposit. That should have been enough to have secured a place at the front of the queue. I would remind you it was only in the last few weeks you said first fully paid would receive priority.
I would also remind you that when you took my deposit nearly two years ago you inferred completion would be in a couple of months and nothing was said about my deposit being non-refundable, but now it appears the goal posts have been moved.
I don't want a refund I want the dragon, thats why I've waited almost two years for it.
Do you have any idea when it is likely I will receive my order?

I'm not trying to queue jump in any way but I paid my deposit to secure a place at the front of the queue not in the middle.

Alastair
  
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: weareblind December 15, 2010, 01:07:43 PM
Hi Andy,

Great to hear that the Dragon is finished. I can't wait to see it in "the flesh", so to speak.

Given that others are asking, where would I fit in the order list (Andrew Walliker)?

Cheers

Andrew
Hi Andrew, IMPATIENT one  :hug: :welcome:
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: Big Boris December 15, 2010, 01:17:50 PM
Hi Andy,

Great to hear that the Dragon is finished. I can't wait to see it in "the flesh", so to speak.

Given that others are asking, where would I fit in the order list (Andrew Walliker)?

Cheers

Andrew

59th

:shock: WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
Got to say I'm very disappointed not to have been given priorty, since I must have been one of the first to pay a deposit within 24 hours of you announcing the dragon, almost two years ago. I know i did not pay the full amount but you have got to admit this dragged on so long and there was a lot going on with your money situation and having to move but that must have made others worry aswell as myself that the whole endeavour would come to a bad end.
I love the items you make, thats why I have so many of them (80+ models), thats why when you first told us about the dragon I put my hand in my pocket right away for the deposit. That should have been enough to have secured a place at the front of the queue. I would remind you it was only in the last few weeks you said first fully paid would receive priority.
I would also remind you that when you took my deposit nearly two years ago you inferred completion would be in a couple of months and nothing was said about my deposit being non-refundable, but now it appears the goal posts have been moved.
I don't want a refund I want the dragon, thats why I've waited almost two years for it.
Do you have any idea when it is likely I will receive my order?

I'm not trying to queue jump in any way but I paid my deposit to secure a place at the front of the queue not in the middle.

Alastair
 

Alastair, I can't think of a fairer system.

Is it fair to let one person pay £30 and then the rest whenever they like and jump the queue, when another person pays £30 the day after them and the remaining £70 quite a long time before them? Is it fair that some of the latest people have paid £200 and not jumped the queue to ahead of you? Is it fair that one chap missed out on the £100 price by six hours? Is it fair that I'm keeping my promise to give you and the other people the Dragon at £100 even though it turns out I don't make any profit on it after all and it's a pretty poor business decision?

64th isn't too bad, assuming that Ian is able to produce the 10 to 20 dragons a week he's aiming for, once the production line starts going your dragon should follow on only 4 weeks or so after the first batch arrives here at the workshop. I'll give you all a better idea once Ian does.

Please know that I fully appreciate your collecting my models, by the way and the support you've given me over the years. I pay attention to who orders from me a lot.
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: Big Boris December 15, 2010, 01:19:55 PM
PS There are now 159 Dragons in the queue, so you're not even in the middle. ;)
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: Balgin Stondraeg December 15, 2010, 04:08:36 PM
PS There are now 159 Dragons in the queue, so you're not even in the middle. ;)

Andy, I don't mind being shunted towards the back of the queue a bit to miss the Christmas post if there's anyone impatient behind me but I suspect I'm near the back anyway. Just thought I'd tell you.
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: Big Boris December 15, 2010, 04:14:16 PM
Unfortunately it rather looks like everyone will miss the Christmas post. I haven't had any test castings yet... :(
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: weareblind December 15, 2010, 09:17:15 PM
PS There are now 159 Dragons in the queue, so you're not even in the middle. ;)

Andy, I don't mind being shunted towards the back of the queue a bit to miss the Christmas post if there's anyone impatient behind me but I suspect I'm near the back anyway. Just thought I'd tell you.
:metoo:
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: Vermis December 15, 2010, 10:48:47 PM
Bite my tongue, bite my tongue.

For once I'm sorry this place isn't Frothers.
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: DRAGON December 15, 2010, 10:51:18 PM
 :lol: my thoughts exactly............  :whistle:
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: Vermis December 15, 2010, 10:56:25 PM
Got to say I'm very disappointed not to have been given priorty

I paid my deposit to secure a place at the front of the queue not in the middle.

I'll just say I paid my deposit to secure a dragon, not a place behind a velvet rope.
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: DRAGON December 15, 2010, 11:00:28 PM
I tried bugging Andy for the last 2 years and that didn't work ....... :lol:
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: weareblind December 16, 2010, 08:22:19 AM
C'mon guys, Alastair is a client like the others. So, I could be with you, and I'm with you, but he spoke with calm a point of view. Not always MY clients are so polite!
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: beefcake December 16, 2010, 08:52:57 AM
and WITHOUT PREJUDICE, if you don't air your viewpoints nothing gets done. Easy for me to say though as I have no stakes in this.
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: Vermis December 16, 2010, 12:34:18 PM
he spoke with calm a point of view. Not always MY clients are so polite!

He didn't use any four-letter words or multiple exclamation marks, if that's what you mean.  But he's got a real badly-founded and jumped-up sense of entitlement.  He says that it was only in the last few weeks that first fully paid would recieve priority.  What gave him the idea that it was otherwise?  Was there a queue to be at the head of, two years ago?
I know people paid good money a good while ago, expecting service, but this ain't no shoeshine stall.  We all knew it was going to take some time to finish, back when Andy started taking deposits, and personally I would've been surprised if there were no delays or complications on a project this large and detailed.  I paid my first deposit back then, too.  I don't know where I am in the queue, and I don't care.  After watching Andy put his livelihood at risk, working on it for two years and paying part of it out of his own pocket to honour the contract, I figure I don't need any more special treatment heaped on top; especially not the type that doesn't mean very much.  I'm looking forward to receive my copy, but my life doesn't revolve around it.  I can wait at least another measly month.  I don't need to yell 'first!' like this is a youtube comments list.

and WITHOUT PREJUDICE

"No offence, but..."

And what exactly 'got done'?
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: agentmolar December 16, 2010, 12:37:58 PM
"Without prejudice" :When you want to tear bollocks off someone and yet don't want to have it admissible in court.

Private messages exist for a reason.  


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: weareblind December 16, 2010, 12:51:34 PM
he spoke with calm a point of view. Not always MY clients are so polite!
He didn't use any four-letter words or multiple exclamation marks, if that's what you mean.
No, I mean that a client who proposes a question in a civil manner must be listened to. Simply. You may or not agree with him, and I don't agree (neither I know my queue position), but IMHO he deserves a complete and quiet answer. That's Andy gave, in the way of the perfect commercial businessman  :wry:
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: DRAGON December 16, 2010, 02:41:50 PM
Well I thought the terms were made clear from the start and Andy kept us well informed progress wise. Seems a bit late to throw a public strop when a PM would have sufficed  :shrug:
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: greenstuff_gav December 16, 2010, 03:17:50 PM
Ian is able to produce the 10 to 20 dragons a week he's aiming for

with prejudice... this makes me sad  8:::
but i only just forked up the remaining cash (thanks to selling a Warmachine Army!) and so will have to wait (im)patiently; I'm British, I Know How To Queue (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRzrQLpvcXI#t=0m16s) :)

on a side note, save hunting through the thread, whatever happened to The Knight?
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: freakinacage December 16, 2010, 07:39:13 PM

I'll just say I paid my deposit to secure a dragon, not a place behind a velvet rope.
hang on, so he's giving away a rope with the dragon? do we have to pay extra? i like the idea of having a rope made of velvet but tbh i wouldn't be prepared to pay extra for one...
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: DRAGON December 16, 2010, 07:49:06 PM
 :boing: Yay free velvet rope !  :boing:
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: gi6ers December 16, 2010, 08:02:16 PM
LOUD NOISES!
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: alrith72 December 16, 2010, 08:31:05 PM
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r279/alrith72/imagesCAYHEAOC.jpg)
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: weareblind December 16, 2010, 09:03:08 PM
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r279/alrith72/imagesCAYHEAOC.jpg)
:scratchhead:
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: Ajsalium December 16, 2010, 11:29:38 PM
on a side note, save hunting through the thread, whatever happened to The Knight?

He's there. He's just inside the dragon's stomach.
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: beefcake December 17, 2010, 05:58:27 AM

And what exactly 'got done'?

I was just meaning that in a general sense, in this case nothing got done or will be done because, as Andy has put it, whichever way he sorts this out someone loses. I was meaning if no one spoke out about anything then nothing would get done.
Guess I have to give in on the without prejudice thing, yep, "no offence but" situation.
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: alrith72 December 17, 2010, 01:43:25 PM
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r279/alrith72/imagesCAYHEAOC.jpg)
:scratchhead:
Sorry it was just a reference to Gi6ers posting "Loud Noises" as it is a quote from Anchorman: The Legend of Ron Burgundy by the characte Brick Tamland who is a bit slow
Brian Fantana: Don't get me wrong, I love the ladies. I mean they rev my engines, but they don't belong in the newsroom.
Champ Kind: It is anchor*man*, not anchor*lady*. And that is a scientific fact.
Brick Tamland: I don't know what we're yelling about.
Brian Fantana: You're with us, Ron, what do you think?
Ron Burgundy: [shouting] She... Sh... It's terrible. She has beautiful eyes, and her hair smells like cinnamon.
Brick Tamland: [shouts] Loud noises!
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: weareblind December 17, 2010, 07:19:26 PM
 :wry:
Thanks!!
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: Amazon warrior December 19, 2010, 10:38:04 AM
*comes in late to the party*

WOOO!  Gimme a chunk of that scaley goodness!  :jawdrop: :applause: :applause: :applause: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :boing: :boing: :boing:

I paid my first deposit waaaaaaaaay back in the day at Salute 2009, and I've just gone and paid off the last of it now (plus a bit extra because both the Dragon and Andy deserve it).  Happy Christmas indeed! :D

(This might actually be the prod I need to get back into painting again - suddenly I'm itching to grab a brush and get going...)

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: RiTides Nids December 22, 2010, 07:44:06 PM
He says that it was only in the last few weeks that first fully paid would recieve priority.  What gave him the idea that it was otherwise?  Was there a queue to be at the head of, two years ago?
I paid a deposite in January '09, also almost 2 years ago. I ended up swapping my deposit for the excellent trenchcoat ganger models, which got lost in the mail, and Andy sent out a replacement set free.

However, I certainly thought I was securing a dragon with the deposit... he even encouraged people not to pay the full amount at first. Later, he put up the further payment installments for people who wanted to go ahead and pay it all, but still encouraged people not to until he made more progress. It certainly did not seem that, if you did go ahead and pay it all, you would have your pre-order placed ahead of those who hadn't finished paying the installments (which again, were not even options at the beginning, and not encouraged until much later).

I know people paid good money a good while ago...

After watching Andy put his livelihood at risk, working on it for two years and paying part of it out of his own pocket to honour the contract, I figure I don't need any more special treatment heaped on top; especially not the type that doesn't mean very much.  I'm looking forward to receive my copy, but my life doesn't revolve around it.  I can wait at least another measly month.  I don't need to yell 'first!' like this is a youtube comments list.
I think it's unfair to paint it as Andy putting his livelihood at risk and wanting "special treatment", especially from someone who is a regular customer of his. People put up this money knowing there was a risk they'd get nothing back, and they did get nothing for 2 years. There's nothing wrong with expecting to have reserved a copy- this was my impression, too. Honestly, this attitude is partly what puts me off from supporting Heresy a bit more- I want to deal with a professional business, and be treated as a business would their customer. If I pay over a hundred dollars to a business, I expect to be able to express concerns. Ialso expect regular communication for something that takes this long.

I was really surprised that, after taking 2 years to finish, Andy would set a deadline of under 2 months for people to finish paying deposits at the pre-order price. People took him on good faith... and in my opinion, he should do likewise.

I do not mean this as an aggressive post, but I think the response to the concern expressed was unwarranted. I thought Andy's response was polite, and he has always been excellent in my communications with him throughout the pre-order and changing my order process. But I do not think the explanation is satisfactory. At the least, people who had preordered years before should have been given notice that it was time to pay up to reserve their dragon.

Again, it's a valid concern, nothing to jump all over someone about. I know this is a 1-man operation, and the logistics must be a nightmare, but 2 years ago it really did seem that you were reserving a dragon by placing that deposit, and there's ntohing wrong with his bringing that up now that it's finished, and he's seemingly going to have to wait an extra month for it.

Not the end of the world by any stretch, but these kinds of things do matter, and make it harder for a casual supporter of Heresy such as myself to feel as confident taking the plunge on some larger purchases. That said, I am a big fan of Heresy, but this attitude in the community is something that puts me off, and is something that I do not think is warranted given the investment people have made in this model, and the amount of time they've waited for it to come to fruition...
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: beefcake December 22, 2010, 08:00:47 PM
There's nothing wrong with expecting to have reserved a copy- this was my impression, too. 

And you have a reserved copy don't you? It will just arrive later than expected. You've waited 2 years a few more weeks won't kill you. :wink:
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: weareblind December 22, 2010, 08:53:57 PM
Of course not, but I think we're talking about "principles".
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: DRAGON December 22, 2010, 09:13:01 PM
Here we go again !  :roll:
Why have people waited 2 years to start complaining ? Andy made it clear from the start that the dammed thing was going to take a while - in fact he encouraged people not to pay more than the initial holding deposit for that very reason - he also offered to convert the deposit into credit if people didn't want to wait - seems pretty fair to me ? :shrug:
AT NO POINT did he put a mask on and force people to hand over cash at gunpoint and he has been upfront with progress reports as far as I'm concerned .
If people have a problem with the way Andy runs his business then it is probably best to PM him rather than put it on a public forum where you will undoubtly get a "backlash" to some degree .........
At the end of the day people,  it was your choice to participate in the deal - no one forced you ! :shrug:
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: Lurching Dead December 22, 2010, 09:25:21 PM
I've known that this was going to take ages. Andy said as much and has kept us p to date on here, his website and Frothers with reasonably frequent updates.

I feel that I was warned well in advance (about 1 or 2 months if I recall) that it was nearing completion and readied my cash accordingly. It was then no problem to get it together when required.

All in all I'm happy and I don't say that out of any loyalty.

I do agree with Dragon's point that this could well have been better handled in a pm, especially as you seem to be a regular customer.
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: Big Boris December 22, 2010, 09:28:23 PM
However, I certainly thought I was securing a dragon with the deposit... he even encouraged people not to pay the full amount at first. Later, he put up the further payment installments for people who wanted to go ahead and pay it all, but still encouraged people not to until he made more progress. It certainly did not seem that, if you did go ahead and pay it all, you would have your pre-order placed ahead of those who hadn't finished paying the installments (which again, were not even options at the beginning, and not encouraged until much later).

The £30 deposit secured you the opportunity to reserve and buy the dragon at a guaranteed price of £100. But once people have paid in full for it, then they have paid for it in full and as such, their dragons are cast-iron, no arguments, paid for. So they got to go to the front of the queue, they were risking the full £100 not just £30, I believe that the least they deserve is to have themselves placed at the front of the queue. Hate to use the F-word again but that is, simply, unassailably Fair.

Honestly, this attitude is partly what puts me off from supporting Heresy a bit more- I want to deal with a professional business, and be treated as a business would their customer.

I'm as professional as I can be, considering the lack of funds I have and my customers have been my overriding prioirty since April 2002 when I opened up. Anyone who actually knows me will know how important my customers are to me. Don't be fooled by the jokes and blithe remarks in other threads and things. Just because I have some fun on forums doesn't mean I'm being unprofessional in my business. I'm actually a little shocked and angry at that assumption, to be honest. My whole life is dedicated to getting figures out the door. I haven't even taken a proper holiday in four years just so that orders will still go out if Craig isn't in. (Christmas is an exception, but even that is spent sculpting figures etc)
If I pay over a hundred dollars to a business, I expect to be able to express concerns. Ialso expect regular communication for something that takes this long.

I've been updating constantly on Twitter Facebook and this thread. If people don't follow me on those mediums, I can't be blamed for them not being communicated with. I can't email or telephone 200+ people personally every time the slightest alteration was made to the Dragon, especially if that alteration was unnoticeable to the trained eye. But I can tweet about it, and so I did. You even had th echance to watch me have a small mental breakdown a couple of months back when I just about snapped under th epressure of trying to finish the damn thing.
As to expressing concerns, you of course have the right to express concerns, part of my professional outlook to this business was to set up a forum so that people could raise concerns. However, you should note that other people have the right to express concerns about the first lot of concerns and those people who know me a little better thanks to this forum and the other social media, understand where I'm coming from and might feel a little defensive about Heresy because of that knowledge. A number of the people you've replied to here are also extremely long term customer, even more so than Alastair was, who sadly has decided not to buy any more Heresy figures again. BUt they haven't decided to do that, for which I am more grateful than I can express.

I was really surprised that, after taking 2 years to finish, Andy would set a deadline of under 2 months for people to finish paying deposits at the pre-order price. People took him on good faith... and in my opinion, he should do likewise.

I am? I have forewarned people when reserving their dragon that the price would be £100. They were, so to speak, fully informed that they needed to have the rest available, and given my unforgivable failures to get the thing finished and promising it  in 'another month', the vast majority of people have been prepared for a very long time, or so the amount of paid-up dragons seem to indicate. So those who have pre-ordered it have had that length of time to gather together a spare £70. I've had a LOT of emails over the last year or so asking if peoiple could spend the money they had saved as it would otherwise go elsewhere, and other than you, not one single person has commented about the 2 month limit. Thing about that limit is this: this is a business, professional or otherwise, and what you have to do is be realistic abotu certain things. In this case, I needed to set a date that gave people enough notice to get that £70 (£35 a month, which if people are ordering £100 dragons you have to assume they are able to find) but not so long that it would carry over into yet another new financial year and start to cause headscratching with paperwork and stuff. Given that the costs of the Dragon have far exceeded the original estimate, I couldn't say 'pay when you like' as it might drag out for a year or more, in theory. So what Limit should I set? Two months, as I said, seemed ample, and I have emailed everybody who pre-ordered a dragon but had not paid their full £100 to inform them. You swapped your deposit out for the gangers, so you didn't get emailed ;)

However, if anyone DOES have a problem paying their remaining £70, they can simply LET ME KNOW and I will happily work something out for them. It's nice to have a deadline, but deadlines aren't the be all and end all of everything. All people have to do is tell me.

I do not mean this as an aggressive post, but I think the response to the concern expressed was unwarranted. I thought Andy's response was polite, and he has always been excellent in my communications with him throughout the pre-order and changing my order process. But I do not think the explanation is satisfactory. At the least, people who had preordered years before should have been given notice that it was time to pay up to reserve their dragon.

They have been, they were, and they have did. I can count on two hands the amount of people yet to pay for a dragon reserved prior to September. Anyone who doesn't pay by the end of January will be gently reminded, thus giving them further opportunity to tell me of any payment issues they have. There is a recession on, after all.

Again, it's a valid concern, nothing to jump all over someone about. I know this is a 1-man operation, and the logistics must be a nightmare, but 2 years ago it really did seem that you were reserving a dragon by placing that deposit, and there's nothing wrong with his bringing that up now that it's finished, and he's seemingly going to have to wait an extra month for it.

Two weeks, more likely, if Ian gets them out on time. But that is a tenous 'if', I admit... I have discussed the situation with Alastair by email and put my points across. I am 100% confident that I am being fair with everyone by following the scheme I am following. Who knows, if Ian gets a huge wad out in the first batch, say 60 dragons or so, then Alastair will get his at the same time as everybody else anyway. Unfortunately, Alastair doesn't agree and still thinks he should get right of way over those who have paid in full before he paid in full, because he put his £30 down first. I can't honestly remember if I ever promised that, it;s been too long dsince th efirst dragon page ont eh site went up. I don't think I did, I think it's always been £30 gets you £100 guarantee, then last year I made a point of the 'fully-paid-up = first come, therefore first served' thing . I don't have any old copies of the html pages, unfortunately, only my back-ups of the current ones. The point is, terms and conditions change over a 2 year period and I believe I have done my sincere best to make the information publicly viewable on the Heresy site and via social media.

Not the end of the world by any stretch, but these kinds of things do matter, and make it harder for a casual supporter of Heresy such as myself to feel as confident taking the plunge on some larger purchases. That said, I am a big fan of Heresy, but this attitude in the community is something that puts me off, and is something that I do not think is warranted given the investment people have made in this model, and the amount of time they've waited for it to come to fruition...

See previous answer for possible explanations, also there's a big British thing when it comes to queuing, don't forget... ;)

Hope this answers your concerns. Even though you aren't buying a dragon bany more, you stil have the right to express concerns as much as anyone els, that's what the forum is for. Also, I actually like to get complaints like this on the forum as it means that I can weigh up public opinion. If lots of people had chipped in and agreed with Alastair, saying he was right and I was wrong, I would have to completely reconsider my stance. But since it doesn't seem to be the case, I have to conclude that I really am acting in the best way possible given the bizarre situation. Let's face it, accusations of unprofessionalism are easy to come by if you only take the Dragon as an example, but then I don't have a dedicated department for sculpting like GW or other companies. and I made it clear from the outset that I was making this bumfudge up as I went along in terms of the Dragon, as it was a massive learning curve. You yourself acknowledge that, so anyone who put £30 or more down knew what they were getting into, I hope. Certainly I'm not allowing myself to get into anything like this situation ever again. No way. Frankly, I'm astounded that only Alastair has shown outrage out of the 200+ people on the reserve list.

(If I sound curt, forgive me. The pipes in the workshop burst with no way to turn them off this afternoon as there is no stopcock in the unit (long story) and I've been shifting furniture mopping out for the last couple of hours. I was supposed to go home for the holidays, it happened about 5 minutes before I would have been in the car and away for a week and a half. Could have been a lot worse, but fortunately it's mainly soggy carpets and walls. Expensive equipment on other side of rooms, manged to get all electric plugs off the floor prior to flooding, emergency plumber stopped it but no stopcock has yet been found. As with Dragon info and day to day communications from Heresy, see Twitter and Facebook for details!)
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: Big Boris December 22, 2010, 09:29:55 PM
PS Thankfully the two big folders with all the dragon paperwork in were not damaged in the deluge of water!
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: Nosferatu December 22, 2010, 09:31:56 PM
Honestly, this attitude is partly what puts me off from supporting Heresy a bit more- I want to deal with a professional business, and be treated as a business would their customer. If I pay over a hundred dollars to a business, I expect to be able to express concerns.

You talk about having no problem with the way Andy has treated you in relation to the delays and that it is the attitude of people here that puts you off supporting him more? Sorry, but that's just a little ridiculous! What have we got to do with Andy's business (apart from being customers like you)? Why would anything we say affect your purchasing decision? Surely if you like his minis, think they're a reasonable price and that his service is adequate then that should be enough???

I know, for instance that a lot of GW fans are complete morons. I therefore choose not to visit forums based around their games, but that has absolutely nothing to do with my reasons for no longer purchasing their miniatures.

The best way to express serious concerns about how a company is treating your order is by PM or email, not on a public forum.
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: beefcake December 22, 2010, 09:49:44 PM
Honestly, this attitude is partly what puts me off from supporting Heresy a bit more- I want to deal with a professional business, and be treated as a business would their customer.

I find Heresy a very professional business but also very personal. I like the fact that I always get a small note with my orders thanking me for the purchase and so on. It's the small touches that make businesses like this one great.
Have an awesome Xmas Andy, hopefully stressless and relaxing. Although considering you have just been waterlogged I doubt that.  :thumbup:
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: RogerB December 22, 2010, 10:08:07 PM
I never once thought my £30 deposit was to secure a place in a queue.  It was clearly stated that it was to secure the £100 pre-order price tag.
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: RiTides Nids December 23, 2010, 02:03:24 AM
I appreciate the great response, and I think I can relate to what you mean about those who know you reacting to criticism strongly in your defense (I will do the same thing for the owner of some of the game stores near here when they're under fire).

Nosferatu, you make a great point as well- but you have to admit, that from an outsider's perspective, it is a bit hard to "wade through the chaff" on this thread for example... but you're right that that shouldn't necessarily put me off from dealing with Andy (who is very professional in communication). However, long ago I was craving hard information about a release date (as I'm sure everyone was) and people not being sure of where they stand in the queue is a related thing. It was frustrating, and I think what I perceived as people responding glibly to someone's concern about that even moreso. It's been 2 years! Enough is enough and all that, there's a time for hard questions and hard answers... however, I do agree that the queing thing might be a British thing that I'm missing. I also agree that most people seem to think this way is fair, and so you need to stick to it.

Again thanks for the super-professional response, it wins me back over quite a bit. I had wanted to see a response to a bit harder question, as most of the people seem to be huge fans/supporters of Heresy, but as I've only made the one purchase my only experience was waiting a year for the dragon, and then changing my deposit to something else. I am very satisfied with your above response.

I also want to apologize for what seems to have come across as my calling Andy "unprofessional", although I didn't use the term it was probably implied since I talked about wanting "professional" interactions so much. Given that I don't use twitter and facebook very rarely (it's blocked at work), most of my news came from the dragon webpage or this thread. From that perspective, you can see how the release of news could be very frustrating... and that's why I mentioned that Andy had replaced my lost minis for free, to show that these two experiences (news of the dragon vs. my personal transaction) felt very opposite. He was super-awesome in dealing with my minis, and that's why I felt a disconnect about the way the dragon was progressing (exemplified by the queue issue), and wanted to express that feeling and get a response (which you have done excellently, and I thank you).

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: Dravi December 23, 2010, 11:29:12 AM
I paid in full for the dragon ages ago. I knew that it would eventually get done, or that Heresy would close it's doors (which I am very glad it hasn't). I knew it was a risk, that's what a preorder is. I had confidence though, that Andy would deliver (and I am very pleased with the pictures that I have seen so far).

I will await patiently (well, slightly impatiently, but only because I want it in my hands now, rather than later!). When they are ready and the request for shipping is issued, I'll even put in a few extra quid so that Andy at least makes some money. I didn't preorder to get this on the day it was finished, but to encourage Andy to complete it. I know I'll get it when it's ready.

As for the first partly paid or first fully paid Andy is in a bit of a no-win situation. As such, I think he's done the best he can to ensure the fairest outcome. I would still think the same if I had only part paid and was now at number 170 or something. If I preorder a computer game say, then they will take the money out of the account as soon as it is ready to ship, whether I can afford it or not. Andy doesn't work this way. He is allowing people to pay as and when they can afford the money and rather than demanding it immediately he is giving them a reasonable amount of time to pay (and as he says above, if you have problems, let him know and he'll see what he can do to help).

I hope you have a great Christmas break Andy and get a bit of time to relax and have some good quality time with the missus, as well as having some time to sculpt.

Cheers,
Craig
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: agentmolar December 24, 2010, 02:16:41 AM
Sorry to hear about the waterlogging Andy. Im hoping that 2011 is a much better year for you.

I know I'm a regular and a fanboi, but I've had enough dealings with Andy to respect his approach to his customers. I hope that this endeavour doesn't actually put him off doing the large monsters and projects that make heresy the unique miniature company amongst the plethora of mini companies out there. Its a pity that Alastair has chucked a tanty and has an issue with Heresy, but frankly I think its actually a credit to Andy and also the customers that so many have stuck with him and that the Alastair situation in itself is an anomaly.

Hope everyone has a great xmas and holiday season.
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: BulldogUK December 27, 2010, 08:18:26 AM
It warms my heart to see for most part everyone who ordered the dragon is taking the ride with Andy on this epic dragon tale and taking it on the chin. Frankly I couldn't give a bumfudge about the wait, can't quite remember when I put my deposit on but I know it was quite early after the announcement and like RogerB I didn't think it was for securing a place in the line, rather a fixed price which by my own choice I probably won't stick to anyhow! Times flown (has it really been TWO YEARS?!) and from the results looks well worth it, besides I will only have to paint the damn thing when it arrives and I HATE the initial dive into large pieces like this. I had the chance to bid on a Rackham Titan dragon the other day then I took a closer look and thought 'hell, that's actually quite bumfudge compared to the juicy morsel Andy is preparing' It also went for over £400, crazy when you consider what a lot of us will potentially be paying for Andy's monstrosity. I figured sod it, put my bidding finger back in my pocket and figured some extra wonga will be going Andy's way for a job well done (I will try not to spend it on nerf guns and Vodka)

Bully

Have a good new year all!
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: Steel Penguin December 27, 2010, 10:12:56 AM
i came into this quite late, ( and promplty ordered 2 one for me and one for my lovely wargaming wife). I fully understand that i put money down on a PRE-ORDER and it would be shipped when ready. as to the way Andy has decided to fulfill the paid for orders, not obly do i think its fair but i dont mind waiting a wile longer that outhers, who took a bigger chance by paying before me.   Ill also add that the wait isnt worring, in the end i have enough faith in Andy that im certain ill get it.
Now that its done, and im facing getting one relativly soon, i just have to face the fact ive got to find some where to assemble / paint and then store this monster.......
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: DRAGON December 27, 2010, 03:32:28 PM
Now that its done, and im facing getting one relativly soon, i just have to face the fact ive got to find some where to assemble / paint and then store this monster.......
Store the thing........ :shock: ........ oh bugger.......... :scratchhead:
I knew there was a major flaw somewhere in the plan !  :lmao:
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: Mortanius December 29, 2010, 03:06:41 AM
personally I don't mind if it still takes a while for it to get finished, since I had to spend the last two month in school and christmas. I don't have much money and any more time I have be for having to pay for shipping the better.
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: Vermis December 29, 2010, 03:59:45 PM
I apologise for flying off the handle and having a rant.  That was a bit silly.  But there were circumstances, m'lud.  I still think it was pretty ungracious to have a go at Andy on the forums.
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: RiTides Nids December 30, 2010, 02:21:04 PM
Got to say I'm very disappointed not to have been given priorty, since I must have been one of the first to pay a deposit within 24 hours of you announcing the dragon, almost two years ago. I know i did not pay the full amount but you have got to admit this dragged on so long and there was a lot going on with your money situation and having to move but that must have made others worry aswell as myself that the whole endeavour would come to a bad end.
I love the items you make, thats why I have so many of them (80+ models), thats why when you first told us about the dragon I put my hand in my pocket right away for the deposit. That should have been enough to have secured a place at the front of the queue. I would remind you it was only in the last few weeks you said first fully paid would receive priority.
I would also remind you that when you took my deposit nearly two years ago you inferred completion would be in a couple of months and nothing was said about my deposit being non-refundable, but now it appears the goal posts have been moved.
I don't want a refund I want the dragon, thats why I've waited almost two years for it.

In my opinion, this was most certainly was not having a go at Andy.

I understand all of the posts saying it should have been sent privately, but as the order the models would be sent out was anounced here, it also makes sense to have expressed that concern here where he found out about it.

Also to reiterate, I apologize for losing my cool a bit on the last page, too. But the above post doesn't warrant people getting indignant on Andy's behalf- it warrants a civil reply, and a response to the concern he (as a loyal customer) had about when the model would ship.

Andy has done so, and although I might not agree with what he had to say, he at least did so in a civil manner without attacking someone who has supported him probably more than anyone posting here.
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: Beastlord December 30, 2010, 03:41:22 PM
Blimey! Missed all this... What I dont understand is why anyone would think paying 30% of the price to reserve a dragon would mean yours got shipped first? Its illogical and would be a nightmare for Andy - what if the first depositee didn't pay in full till next year? You'd hardly expect him to still get his first and Andy would be juggling lists allover the place...

Very excited bout getting mine... although the storage/display issue had occured to me too...  :D
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: agentmolar December 31, 2010, 11:23:45 AM
Got to say I'm very disappointed not to have been given priorty, since I must have been one of the first to pay a deposit within 24 hours of you announcing the dragon, almost two years ago. I know i did not pay the full amount but you have got to admit this dragged on so long and there was a lot going on with your money situation and having to move but that must have made others worry aswell as myself that the whole endeavour would come to a bad end.
I love the items you make, thats why I have so many of them (80+ models), thats why when you first told us about the dragon I put my hand in my pocket right away for the deposit. That should have been enough to have secured a place at the front of the queue. I would remind you it was only in the last few weeks you said first fully paid would receive priority.
I would also remind you that when you took my deposit nearly two years ago you inferred completion would be in a couple of months and nothing was said about my deposit being non-refundable, but now it appears the goal posts have been moved.
I don't want a refund I want the dragon, thats why I've waited almost two years for it.

In my opinion, this was most certainly was not having a go at Andy.

I understand all of the posts saying it should have been sent privately, but as the order the models would be sent out was anounced here, it also makes sense to have expressed that concern here where he found out about it.

Also to reiterate, I apologize for losing my cool a bit on the last page, too. But the above post doesn't warrant people getting indignant on Andy's behalf- it warrants a civil reply, and a response to the concern he (as a loyal customer) had about when the model would ship.

Andy has done so, and although I might not agree with what he had to say, he at least did so in a civil manner without attacking someone who has supported him probably more than anyone posting here.


I would probably have agreed with you if the words Without Prejudice hadn't appeared on the post. Its a legal term, and such bollocks always makes me see red. I still believe that it was more appropriate to be a pm. Andy replied as the professional he is, the rest of us suggested that he pull his head in. I don't see the problem.

Oh heres my flogging a dead dragon reaction to my own post :)
(http://www.movie-pix.com/Reign-of-fire-Dead-Dragon.jpg)
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: DRAGON December 31, 2010, 12:40:05 PM
I love the items you make, thats why I have so many of them (80+ models),
without attacking someone who has supported him probably more than anyone posting here.

Soooo......... because someone has purchased more than someone else they should receive priority ?  :roll:
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: alrith72 December 31, 2010, 02:00:06 PM
Both sides have aired their view, Andy has replied. Can't we just let it die now, it's getting boring  :roll:
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: caerban December 31, 2010, 02:30:31 PM
I have to say I think that the way Andy has handled the ordering of dragon's is the only sensible way to do it.  Your initial deposit secured a dragon at the agreed price but I don't think it's sensible to assume that it would in any way reflect the order of despatch. What if person A paid their first deposit before person B. Person B pays their balance when the dragon is complete, A does not. Should B then be made to wait until A pays their balance? The only sensible way of doing it is to order despatch based on final payment which is what Andy has done. I've been with The Dragon Project since pretty much day one. I was probably one of the first to put in the securing deposit and I paid off the full amount as soon as I could after Andy allowed. Which is why I come in at 15. But to be honest I wouldn't much care if I was further down the list because I have a lot of faith in Andy's skills and intent. I've kept myself informed and up to date continually, Andy's no slouch in keeping you up to date with what's going on down at Heresy HQ. It's been a scary rollercoaster but it's gonna be worth it.


without attacking someone who has supported him probably more than anyone posting here.


I find it a bit pompous and self-centred to believe that anyone is somehow more supportive than the other people on the FoD. Do you know what other FoDders do or have done to help and support Andy? I don't, I can only say what I do and therefore have no frame of reference to place myself on some hypothetical hierarchy of supportiveness. I'm probably a ways down although I've been buying FoD company stuff for 5 or 6 years now. I pimp Andy's stuff relentlessly, as I do with all the FoD companies, by word of mouth or on forums, to the extent I was once quietly asked to leave a GW and I'm badgering my local independent to see if he'll stock FoD company stuff. I buy anything and everything I feel will be useful to me and some stuff that won't but looks cool. But I don't think there is a FoDder who doesn't. There are those who give up time to help at cons and not to mention the continual feedback and ideas suggestions that the forum lends. I suspect the only person who can give an accurate description of who's the most supportive is Andy. And to be honest I doubt he's keeping track.
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: RiTides Nids December 31, 2010, 06:11:32 PM
I love the items you make, thats why I have so many of them (80+ models),
without attacking someone who has supported him probably more than anyone posting here.

Soooo......... because someone has purchased more than someone else they should receive priority ?  :roll:

Certainly not... it just means they're not the devil, they're "one of your own" as it were.

:  caerban
I find it a bit pompous and self-centred to believe that anyone is somehow more supportive than the other people on the FoD

You talk of "FoDers", and yet are putting down another one in the process!

I don't know if you're referring to vectrum, but I was the one that used the phrase about him supporting Andy, and I'm only going on what is posted here. Perhaps you've purchased more than he has... which is good! But the point is that he's supported Andy a lot financially, he is "one of your own".

I've only made a single purchase from Heresy (the deposit that was to be a dragon, and I turned into the gangers). My reason for defending vectrum was that a bunch of you scallywags (yes, I just used that word ;)) jumped all over him for asking for his dragon. I agree that we can drop it now, but I hate seeing people gang up on one other person like that.

Perhaps the term "without prejudice" has a different meaning somewhere else (doesn't mean much here, we would say "without bias" to be an equivalent I think). Also, the emoticon used was called "shock", but perhaps it conveys a different message than the description: :shock:. Either way, it got blown out of proportions... and it's probably safe to say that most of you would like to drop it now and get back to talking about the dragon. Which is fine with me... I just don't want anyone getting walked all over without (in my opinion) good reason.


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: beefcake December 31, 2010, 07:04:48 PM
Such a pity that a really cool thread has now just become squabbling. I'm bored  :yawn:
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: vectrum December 31, 2010, 07:13:21 PM
Every ones jumping up and down on me for what I asked and pointed out to Andy saying they don’t know where I’m coming from and I’m being impatient.    

Fact. If you went in to any shop, pre-ordered a popular item you are given an order number when you  left a deposit (let’s say you’re no 10) no matter if you paid the full amount or not. When your item came in to stock the first 9 go before you so when the 10th one comes in the shop would ring you and say your item is in and waiting for you. There is no “well number 50 paid in full be for you so you have to wait”. The shop keeps a tally as to who paid the deposit first and that’s how the system should work.

I’ve got 9 years of being self-employed experience.  My dad’s own company ran for 50 years before he sold up and retired and my uncles own and run two superstores that have both been running for 45 years so I’ve got a bit of knowledge of how these things work.

There’s others here that are agreeing with me but because of the back lash I’ve had they will not speak up on here so I’ve received sevrial private emails, (thank you for the support)
Now as for having regular updates on the progress of the dragon. I have not had ONE single email telling me about this first paid up first received thing at all. I don’t believe it’s even been on the forum in fact the only time I can find is in the last 8 weeks or so it has been put on the pre order page. It’s ok saying follow me on twitter or face book for updates but whenever I go on there I just get stuff like.

“•  @MitchBenn You SWALLOWED an iPod? 12:25 AM Dec 27th via TweetDeck in reply to MitchBenn
•  Nothing quite like getting up at at 6am to drive to Scotland to see the parents only to have to cancel at the last minute due to weather :( 12:24 AM Dec 27th via TweetDeck
•  Delight your Trekkie friends by delivering the punchline in a Klingon shout. What's a Klingon drink at Christmas? Egg Nog! 10:10 AM Dec 26th via TweetDeck”

Nothing about the dragon or other models.

Also to those of you moaning about me using legal terms, what do you expect? I’m covering my back even though everything I have said to the best of my knowledge is fact.
Should I have put my first post on here like I did? Yes I was replying to Andy’s post to me. So does my post make Andy look bad? No, not according to you lot that are criticizing me for standing up and saying that’s not right. So there’s no harm done there.

I did send Andy an email and I had a response.

Oh and while I’m here I may as well cover this too “the English know how to queue” that’s because most of them of them don’t seem to know their rights and those of us that do get moaned at for using them.  

so go ahead moan about me all you like, jump up and down, its just a shame your not willing to behonest and admit that things would have been treated diffrently from any other traider or shop.
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: DRAGON December 31, 2010, 07:57:05 PM
Such a pity that a really cool thread has now just become squabbling. I'm bored  :yawn:
Agreed. As much as I am tempted to reply to vectrum's last post............
 :surrender: this is a no win argument that is going to go round in circles  :roll:
Least I have an awesome dragon to look forward to !  :lalala:
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: agentmolar January 01, 2011, 12:14:30 AM
Edit - Removed my 2 cents

Oh ok..... just because I know I'm doing it

(http://www.movie-pix.com/Reign-of-fire-Dead-Dragon.jpg)

I suspect that all of the moaning and groaning will stop once they get the scaly goodness in their hands.

Edit - No more stirring of the faecal matter for me  :P

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: Nosferatu January 01, 2011, 02:42:24 AM
Least I have an awesome dragon to look forward to !  :lalala:

2011 ...the year of the dragon!  8)

Lets move on. Those who weren't happy (obviously in the minority) with the way things are have made alternate arrangements (and had their say). Everyone needs to pull their head in and get on with life. Everyone adding their  :twocents: is just taking us in circles (and making me a bit angry).  :hmmm
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: Big Boris January 01, 2011, 08:10:05 AM
@Vectrum
To be fair though, there have been no updates on the Dragon or any other models on Twitter whilst I've been on holiday over the christmas break. And I do point out on the site that my personal twitter/facebook feed covers non-Heresy stuff, ie things I'm interested in in the real world. That includes posting jokes and tweeting minor celebrities. :shrug: Not sure why that makes you angry. I do post information on there, but you'd have to check the timeline as Twitter only keeps stuff on display for so long.

There has been no new info on the Dragon because I am waiting for news from Ian at Fenris Games, who is casting it. Which I reported extensively on Twitter and Facebook, on both my personal Facebook and Business Facebook pages, even posting pictures of me packing the dragon for posting back in November. Since then Ian has emailed me to apologise for not getting it done yet. I await further news.

And to reiterate, anyone else who is unhappy can let me know. If you just agree with Vectrum, let me know. Otherwise as far as I'm aware it's still just Vectrum and RiTides Nid who are unhappy with this bizarre process that is the Dragon.

This thread is becoming a lead weight on this forum now, isn't it? Let's hope Ian gets me a casting soon...
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: Big Boris January 01, 2011, 08:27:17 AM
For pertinent Tweets, which also go across to the business FB account as well as my personal one, this is the link,which had been in my profile on here for some time.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Heresy-Miniatures-Ltd/111400898872256
 Last Dragon info was on December 6th. Scroll down through the bits about me sculpting other things. If you go through all my tweets ont eh official twitter page, you'll see those ones there too.

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: geronimo January 01, 2011, 10:54:50 AM
There has been no new info on the Dragon because I am waiting for news from Ian at Fenris Games, who is casting it. ....I await further news.

Apologies to all for how long this is taking to get into production, now that it's finished.

As a one-man band I'm in a position where I have to do everything related to the business - which includes ongoing daily sales, contract casting for other companies besides Heresy, repairing/replacing existing moulds, packing & mailing orders, emailing customers and clients, and, of course, making  a large number of complicated two- and three-part moulds for a certain oversized dragon. Given that there are approx 20 pieces to the dragon, with each piece taking a minimum of two processes to produce, and several hours per process, that totals some 80-100 hours of work just to make the first set of moulds - and we'll need two to three sets of these moulds to cast up the complete run of dragons. Even if I were doing nothing else but the dragon moulds (and cashflow, eating, and paying my bills means I'm obviously not) I'd be looking at a solid lump of time.

In real terms, I'm getting time to make about one mould a day, if I'm lucky. Currently at the stage where there are now only 6 more moulds to make (including the three most complicated, the two wings and the tail). Having taken only two days off since November 29th (Xmas Day and Boxing Day), even seven-day weeks aren't providing enough free time to get the dragon done. Add into this the fact that the new trainee I'd hoped to have doing some of the day-to-day casting work has failed to materialise, and the simple truth is that the dragon will just take as long as it'll take.

I appreciate that all of you are desperate to see the beast, and that Andy's probably even more desperate to start seeing castings - but believe me, I'm just as desperate to start casting and mailing them out. This is a huge joint project run between (essentially) two small one-man-band companies, with more than just money and time riding on it.

Hopefully those of you who've waited patiently and faithfully so far have got the endurance to go that last little mile....

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: agentmolar January 01, 2011, 11:20:45 AM
No worries Ian.

The only thing I expect is that the more impatient people post up pics of their painted dragons within 2 days of receiving it. If you take any longer you could have afforded to have been more patient  :P
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: caerban January 01, 2011, 03:09:51 PM
Thanks for the update Ian. Having cast a few resin bits and bobs I couldn't even imagine just how complex that monster was going to be. Keep slogging away, I think Andy will agree that's the MO for this critter :)
I have pertinent retorts but I agree that this is a circular argument based on fundamentally differing viewpoints which are unlikely to be reconciled. Done enough scientific debating to know the situation only too well. So no more flogging of that particular dead dragon, time instead to rub my hands together with glee at my impending dragon :)
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: agentmolar January 01, 2011, 03:32:13 PM
Oh come on, poke that dead dragon with a stick. You know you want to  :P

I think I saw it move.. honest.



 :whip:


Surely we can all just get along and have a hug. I am taking pre-orders for my hugs.  :angel:
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: RiTides Nids January 01, 2011, 05:54:40 PM
I don't know about hugs, but definitely a truce/cease-fire/end of hostilities. I never really meant for it to go so far... I just wanted to express my concerns and have others be able to share theirs openly, too!

Great to hear an update on the casting process... Happy New Year to all!
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: Dravi January 01, 2011, 07:36:51 PM
Good to hear the update on the casting process   :boing:
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: weareblind January 01, 2011, 07:56:17 PM
I don't know about hugs, but definitely a truce/cease-fire/end of hostilities. I never really meant for it to go so far... I just wanted to express my concerns and have others be able to share theirs openly, too!

Great to hear an update on the casting process... Happy New Year to all!

:metoo: :thumbup: :thumbup: :applause:
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: Ajsalium January 01, 2011, 10:34:31 PM
Great to hear an update on the casting process... Happy New Year to all!
:metoo: The Year of the Dragon!
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: Big Boris January 04, 2011, 10:04:49 AM
I feel bad for cursing Ian with the Dragon Bane now...
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: Dravi January 04, 2011, 10:31:58 AM
Andy, I'm sure he'd rather have the work than not have the work.

I can be patient, I've been waiting a while now, so another few weeks won't kill me.
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: DRAGON January 04, 2011, 08:26:41 PM
If I get the dragon by the end of March there is a good chance I will get it painted - I have 13 days off and the house to myself  :angel:
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: fredox January 13, 2011, 06:18:47 PM
Test cast by the end of the month. Good news is good.  :boing: :boing: :boing: :boing: :boing: :boing:
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: Sabbat Wolf January 20, 2011, 09:59:09 PM

Surely we can all just get along and have a hug. I am taking pre-orders for my hugs.  :angel:


Can you give a quote for a hug and a timescale for delivery........  :P

I've avoided this thread while there were grumpy bunnies about, but I am now starting to get a bit excited.  I had to wait until after Christmas and the gas bill had been paid before I could finish paying for the big D.  Good thing I can be patient really.

He looks great Andy - top job.
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: Twosoc January 21, 2011, 12:29:02 PM
wow, hadn't checked this thread for a while, blimey! I only have one relevant point.  Will it fit in an Ikea glass cabinet?  I know this is the major question you're facing, probably the only question you get asked these days.  And yes I mean assembled, for those of you that would say the bits probably would.
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: fredox January 21, 2011, 02:30:04 PM
Been thinking about storage/transport myself. I guess your talking about this one (http://www.ikea.com/gb/en/catalog/products/10011055). Fairly sure I've seen a Reaver titan in one of those Ikea cases so height shouldn't be an issue. Wing span might be more of a problem though but putting it in at an angle might work as it has a width of 41cm listed. Myself I've got a couple of deep bookcases with glass panelled doors that'll be using for display. For transport I'm looking at Battlefoam with custom foam. Was part of the reason I got one for my Dark Eldar stuff (honestly).

I know it's only been a week but how's the test casting going? Any news?
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: Twosoc January 21, 2011, 03:07:07 PM
Yeah thats the one Fredox.  :smile:
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: DRAGON January 21, 2011, 07:36:16 PM
I just know I am going to be frustrated by the storage issues.......... so I'm not listening  :nottalking:  :lol:
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: Twosoc January 21, 2011, 10:08:13 PM
(http://www.tolkienforums.com/Gollum_not_listening.jpg)
no we're not my love. We's wont.
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: DRAGON January 22, 2011, 09:00:03 AM
Yep that's it  :lmao:
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: Big Boris January 22, 2011, 11:00:15 AM
Fear not, he fits in an Ikea cabinet, although you may have to take a shelf out to allow for the height, depends on which cabinet you've got, i suppose. The cabinets I use at shows like Salute etc are Ikea ones.
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: mcfonz January 22, 2011, 12:26:44 PM
Taken me a while but just caught up with this thread.

Two years ago I couldn't afford nor justify putting £100 down for a dragon. I had just bought a house with my girlfriend and had not been in fulltime employment that long. I am incredibly envious of anyone that was able to put down a deposit and know they could stump up the cash for one. Given my situation now I would happily do so. If it were allowed I would happily take up the place of anyone that felt they no longer wanted to buy the dragon, I have the money now to put down £100 - it would most defenitely be their loss not mine.

However that said I have watched this journey, commented on it, and shared it with people who are not interested in our hobby. They have all without exception ghasped at this piece and the time and work it has taken to make it look absolutely fantastic. It is universally cool.

From my perspective I cannot see how anyone has any sort of ground to stand on in terms of a moan. It has all been quite clear from the start. And this thread has never moved at a pace that one cannot keep up with. I mean it is what? 33/34 pages long, over two years is that really a lot? Thats less than a page every other week.

Infact it does sort of anger me in a sense that I have not only followed this project but also exposed it to other people who are in awe of it only to find that some people are moaning. You are buying a piece of monumental art here.
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: gi6ers January 22, 2011, 08:25:04 PM
The cabinets I use at shows like Salute etc are Ikea ones.


Are you bringing shelves this year?
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: beefcake January 22, 2011, 09:05:42 PM
It's probably more economical to leave them behind and spend the money saved on petrol by buying from Ikea.
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: Twosoc January 22, 2011, 11:04:03 PM
Fear not, he fits in an Ikea cabinet

YAY. :woohoo!:
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: Inso January 22, 2011, 11:20:16 PM
Having seen the almost finished Dragon at Salute, it certainly fitted into the cabinet that was there (whether or not it was Ikea...who knows?) and it was fudging awesome there...

It is my favourite dragon of all time so if I was ever to own one, I'd build my own display cabinet if I couldn't find one pre-made...IT IS THAT Awesome!!!!!!!!!!!

IF ANYONE TRIES TO CHALLENGE THIS ENTIRELY CORRECT ASSUMPTION THEN THEY CAN BLEEPING WELL TRY TO SHOW ME A BETTER ONE AND PREPARE TO BE GRILLED ON THE BARBECUE OF THEIR COMPLETE FAILURE :(...
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: Wings January 23, 2011, 09:30:07 AM
My boyfriend recently bought an Ikea cabinet for our miniatures, partially on the basis that we'd need it for the dragon. (I wanted to keep a shelf empty with a big sign on it saying DRAGON)

It's already completely filled!  :blub: Now we need to get another one.
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: Sabbat Wolf January 23, 2011, 04:57:40 PM
It's already completely filled!  :blub: Now we need to get another one.

Ikea cabinets are addictive, once you have one you just have to get more.....
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: cute_goth13 January 24, 2011, 06:00:31 PM
I agree with that, we have 5 and they just keep getting filled!
I'm running out of space for them now!
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: Mortanius January 25, 2011, 03:13:51 AM
Lol to stop myself from having to need them I just don't paint. Not sure if having selves full of primed models would look good on display...
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: DRAGON January 28, 2011, 07:11:45 PM
Any updates on the casting ?
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: Toosh January 28, 2011, 08:24:38 PM
The cabinets I use at shows like Salute etc are Ikea ones.


Are you bringing shelves this year?

Oooh!  You're gonna get a pinch for that one!!!  ;)
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: Ajsalium January 30, 2011, 03:44:24 PM
Just a reminder that tomorrow is the last day to finish paying pre-orders.

I thought I should remind that for people that are... like me... with memory discapacity... :crazy:
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: vectrum January 30, 2011, 07:13:24 PM
 :whistle:
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: Big Boris January 31, 2011, 12:50:14 PM
Just a reminder if anyone has any problems paying the rest of their dragon money to just let me know. There's a MASSIVE waiting list now...

Still awaiting test castings. Hopefully this week might see some movement on that, but it depends on Ian's schedule not being chockablock with other stuff to distract him!

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: Dravi January 31, 2011, 01:55:20 PM
Woohoo!   :boing: :boing: :boing:
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: weareblind January 31, 2011, 03:33:43 PM
 :applause: :applause:
Curiosity killed the cat: how massive is the list?
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: geronimo February 01, 2011, 09:27:30 AM
Just a reminder if anyone has any problems paying the rest of their dragon money to just let me know. There's a MASSIVE waiting list now...

Still awaiting test castings. Hopefully this week might see some movement on that, but it depends on Ian's schedule not being chockablock with other stuff to distract him!



Planning to start casting today...but am currently waiting at home for a British Gas engineer to come and fix the boiler  :tantrum:
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: DRAGON February 01, 2011, 07:09:36 PM
 :lalala: :lalala: :lalala:
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: fredox February 01, 2011, 11:33:35 PM
Dare I ask how the gas man was? There was something else but I cant remember :scratchhead:
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: Big Boris February 04, 2011, 10:29:44 AM
Hmmm. Been discussing Dragon with Ian. Not only is it costing about 60% more than thought (rubber), but it's killing his business making it as much (if not more) as it's killed mine making it. I feel like Obi-Wan shouting at Darth Vader: You were supposed to save us, not destroy us! (paraphrase)
So I guess I was wrong about the whole not making a loss on £100 thing after all...

The problem is not the amount of resin - that's pretty much as expected. The problem is the moulds themselves - they are massive and complicated and thus use a lot more rubber to make, a lot more time to cut. And that rubber is really, really expensive, and Ian can't work for free. (he basically is, but he can't afford to do so)

It's going to take me longer to pay for all the pre-ordered dragons due to lack of funds, and it's going to take Ian longer to cast them due to alck of assistants to handle his other day-to-day stuff. We're both operating on a knife-edge in cash terms so please be patient a while longer. You will get your dragon eventually! I promise you that, even if I end up going bankrupt and having to get a proper job and paying for them from that.

Now I just to have to work out what magical models i can make that will bring in the extra £15,000

I am one stressed northerner.
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: Big Boris February 04, 2011, 10:30:29 AM
Oh, and test castings should be ready in time for the Hammerhead show, but there won't be any to sell, obviously!
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: tremorspin February 04, 2011, 11:39:08 AM
crikey, do you ever get good news? That dragon looks like an absolute masterpiece, but I'm guessing that doesn't make the repeated crotch kickings it has and continues to give you any more comfortable.  :(
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: Enazel February 04, 2011, 11:53:30 AM
If you going to make a massive loss on the 100 quid preorders, I going to go dip into my funds and pay what everyone else is paying for it. Still worth every dam pound.
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: Big Boris February 04, 2011, 05:34:28 PM
First pictures of the first casting from Ian over at Fenris... Phone pic so a bit fuzzy!

http://yfrog.com/h5bpdshlj
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: Big Boris February 04, 2011, 05:34:57 PM
@Enazel Ta very much, you're a gent!
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: Ajsalium February 04, 2011, 05:40:05 PM
(http://a.yfrog.com/img617/1254/bpdshl.jpg)

:froth: x 10^n
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: gi6ers February 04, 2011, 05:47:33 PM
I'll take any miscast heads off you Andy, for cash obviously!
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: tumblebomb February 04, 2011, 06:10:47 PM
Holy Canneloni! Looking awesome. Suirprising how few parts there are really. The picture made it look small until I figured the board it is on must be big. I too share the sentiment of wanting to pay more, having heard about the cost issues in making it. Can only say that for your next big models you do( and I really hope you will make more) don't give us a final price too early!  :wry: With the wonders of CAD/CAM these days surely you could get a various scale versions made easily ( a dinky 1/4 size paperweight? )  which might be big sellers too. I'm just throwing ideas out there. Looking forward to a year where I may have a bit more money to spend on figures which would be a pleasant change.
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: DRAGON February 04, 2011, 06:51:50 PM
I thought he would be taller....... :whistle:
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: Amazon warrior February 04, 2011, 07:05:03 PM
If you going to make a massive loss on the 100 quid preorders, I going to go dip into my funds and pay what everyone else is paying for it. Still worth every dam pound.
I was thinking the same.  I chucked an extra £50 onto my final payments as a show of goodwill anyway, so it wouldn't be too much hassle to add another £50...
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: beefcake February 04, 2011, 07:39:50 PM
I can imagine if you have it ready for salute you'll have a few impulse buys. If 200 quid on a single mini can ever be an impulse buy, but that should definately drum up some serious sales.
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: weareblind February 04, 2011, 08:07:46 PM
I'm a patient one Andy  :wink:
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: Lachs February 04, 2011, 08:26:05 PM
Hi,

How much money  i must donate to get a plus minus zero Dragon?

I can't spent 100 pounds, I would, but I couldn't.

Greeting from Germany.

Edit:

By the way: Good casting!
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: weareblind February 04, 2011, 09:31:17 PM
Well, welcome here Lachs
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: caerban February 04, 2011, 10:12:31 PM
How does one chuck into the "extra for the dragon" hat? Impending unemployment or no I can throw a few more groats at it to try and at least make my 15th position in the queue (Back!! Back you jealous fiends  :D ) worth Andy's while.
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: Amazon warrior February 04, 2011, 10:15:04 PM
How does one chuck into the "extra for the dragon" hat? Impending unemployment or no I can throw a few more groats at it to try and at least make my 15th position in the queue (Back!! Back you jealous fiends  :D ) worth Andy's while.
I hadn't quite decided a modus operandi, but I figured I'd either email Andy directly or use the part-payment system on the Heresy site and add a note saying what it's for.  Emailing directly might be less fraught with complications though...
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: Big Boris February 04, 2011, 11:07:35 PM
The part-payment system thingy is easiest - keeps track of everything automatically that way in the various email folders!

Trying to think of something unique to give all you generous folk who pay over the £100 (and of course the £200 payers as well)...
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: caerban February 05, 2011, 12:13:28 AM
A few groats extra sent over! And an order for some of those sweet cutters. I feel like I've paid for the left side and both wings now ;)
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: Amazon warrior February 05, 2011, 08:54:52 AM
The man has spoken!  Some more Shekels sent your way just now.  :D
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: Mortanius February 05, 2011, 01:30:07 PM
I hope my extra £100 helps you out then Andy. If I knew of a way I would also and some to Ian to help him pay for the rubber.
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: Tasker February 05, 2011, 10:49:37 PM
Really surprised at how few parts there are, I honestly thought the pieces would have been broken down into smaller bits.

If all goes well, then next payday I should be able to pay at least £100 towards one of these little beauties.

Edit...  Thinking on it, would it be possible to break it down any further?  

If you could make it into smaller pieces it might help with the casting.

And lets face it... There's no way in hell it's a figure for a novice to put together, so I wouldn't have thought that a large number of bits would be a problem for most of the people buying one.

But, as you're not stupid, you've probably already put thought into that, so just ignore my ramblings.
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: Vermis February 05, 2011, 11:49:43 PM
First pictures of the first casting from Ian over at Fenris... Phone pic so a bit fuzzy!

http://yfrog.com/h5bpdshlj

:D
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: Toosh February 06, 2011, 12:38:08 PM
<snip>Trying to think of something unique to give all you generous folk who pay over the £100 (and of course the £200 payers as well)...


Why!??!  :crazy:  For the love of God Andy, don't chuck in more stuff with the dragon, it's only adding to your loss. The dragon is more than enough.  Trust me! Its already unique!!!  If people choose to pay more, then leave it at that. It defeats the object of people trying to help you  :roll:

PS I've pm'd you
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: Dravi February 06, 2011, 12:44:13 PM
 :metoo:

I would much rather you spend any spare cash/time (stuff you don't seem to have anyway) on getting more figures out so I can buy more things off of you then you wasting time giving me something extra with the dragon.
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: DRAGON February 06, 2011, 12:53:48 PM
I will add a bit more - but due to a MAJOR financial cockup on my part it won't be until the end of March at least  :(
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: Hasslefriesian February 06, 2011, 12:56:36 PM
I can't afford one :blub:

Any chance you'd accept a sculpt as payment, Andy? :angel:
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: Toosh February 06, 2011, 01:07:37 PM
I can't afford one :blub:

Any chance you'd accept a sculpt as payment, Andy? :angel:

Andy!!!  Take his arm off!! (after he's done the sculpt of course ;) )  Then get the bugger into production to help with costs!!  :yup:  :yup:  :yup:  :yup:  :yup:  :yup: :lalala:

EDIT: How about a fantasy fighter, which whilst standing on it's own right might just happen to look the dogs danglies with the dragon....  :whistle:
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: Big Boris February 06, 2011, 01:12:52 PM
I can't afford one :blub:

Any chance you'd accept a sculpt as payment, Andy? :angel:

Too right, I would!  :D
I'll chat to you about it next weekend at Hammerhead...
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: Amazon warrior February 06, 2011, 02:51:32 PM
<snip>Trying to think of something unique to give all you generous folk who pay over the £100 (and of course the £200 payers as well)...


Why!??!  :crazy:  For the love of God Andy, don't chuck in more stuff with the dragon, it's only adding to your loss. The dragon is more than enough.  Trust me! Its already unique!!!  If people choose to pay more, then leave it at that. It defeats the object of people trying to help you  :roll:
This.  ;)
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: Lurching Dead February 06, 2011, 03:19:31 PM
Right. Just looked at the bank account and it is not good.   :blub:

However, I fixed a laptop for a mate and they are going to pay me £25 for the time and effort, so I can say that by the end of the month, I should have at least another £25 to add towards the £100 I paid. Not much, I know but it's the best i can do at present. I am simply not prepared to buy something off of Andy where he is making a loss, so will do what I can.

This dragon is simply amazing and is definitely worth £200, so anything I can do to try and make it up towards that, I will.

Andy, don't give anything away to people who give you extra money. It kinda defeats the object of giving you more doesn't it? Just like Toosh and others have said. We want you to make some money out of this damn lizard!   :silly
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: beefcake February 07, 2011, 08:43:34 AM
I can't afford one :blub:

Any chance you'd accept a sculpt as payment, Andy? :angel:
Take a second Dragon as payment!  muahahahaha
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: SpeedofDark February 07, 2011, 12:42:10 PM
Agreed! I'll add my voice to those saying no extras, the Dragon is already amazing enough as it is. I'll be kicking some more pounds towards my 100pound dragon. With the current exchange rate, it would be a crime not to. :) (personal opinion expressed, not meant as a criticism of anyone in any way shape or form)
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: DRAGON February 07, 2011, 05:52:55 PM
I can't afford one :blub:

Any chance you'd accept a sculpt as payment, Andy? :angel:
Take a second Dragon as payment!  muahahahaha
:lmao:
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: Nosferatu February 07, 2011, 09:32:14 PM
Agreed! I'll add my voice to those saying no extras, the Dragon is already amazing enough as it is. I'll be kicking some more pounds towards my 100pound dragon. With the current exchange rate, it would be a crime not to. :)

:yup:  Yeah, me too. I might have to wait 'til I get the invoice for shipping though...
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: voltan February 07, 2011, 11:20:28 PM
I can't afford one :blub:

Any chance you'd accept a sculpt as payment, Andy? :angel:
Take a second Dragon as payment!  muahahahaha

I think it's disgraceful that someone else posted that before I had chance to do it  :wink:
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: agentmolar February 08, 2011, 01:18:48 PM
Value adjusted Dragon payment sent. ;)
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: Big Boris February 09, 2011, 11:38:45 AM
Thanks to everybody who is chipping in with some extra cash, you have no idea how touched I feel. In a good touchy way, not a Bad Touch way. :tears:  :notworthy:

Going to have to do a bit of chopping on the dragon parts for the next set of moulds in order to get the rubber costs down, particularly on the tail. At the minute there's a couple of grands worth of rubber and labour in them, and if I only get 30 or 40 castings per mould, that's waaaay too much extra cost per dragon. Ian is going to mark one of the sets of test castings with suggested cut lines for me to make things faster, easier and cheaper for next set.

Will post pics of the castings as they are now, when they arrive tomorrow. And the first fully assembled resin one! Exciting!


God I hope it fits together...
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: agentmolar February 09, 2011, 11:46:30 AM
Thats a rather serious statement. Show me on the dragon where they touched you.

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: The Duke February 09, 2011, 03:24:57 PM
Andy – I have sent you an email on this topic.
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: geronimo February 09, 2011, 03:29:25 PM
Couriers have just taken a box full of dragon parts away, headed northwards..... :crazy:
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: Ben Brownlie February 09, 2011, 03:46:55 PM
Did you remember to stamp the customs documentation to come back north of the river?

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: gi6ers February 09, 2011, 09:52:13 PM
you have no idea how touched I feel. In a good touchy way, not a Bad Touch way.

Show me on the dragon where the bad man touched you
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: Avicenna February 09, 2011, 09:57:11 PM
Erm.... Gi6ers....

Thats a rather serious statement. Show me on the dragon where they touched you.

:angel:
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: Mortanius February 10, 2011, 06:07:25 AM
Erm.... Gi6ers....

Thats a rather serious statement. Show me on the dragon where they touched you.

:angel:


You guys are asking the wrong question, you should be asking if the touching ended in a happy ending and a smile on his face  :wink:
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: gi6ers February 10, 2011, 07:12:54 AM
Erm.... Gi6ers....

Thats a rather serious statement. Show me on the dragon where they touched you.

:angel:

bugger
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: DRAGON February 10, 2011, 07:56:09 AM

Thats a rather serious statement. Show me on the dragon where they touched you.

bugger

 :shock: :lol:
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: fredox February 10, 2011, 10:05:20 AM
Just chipped in some extra. At 30 to 40 casts per mould I should be getting one of each type. Should be interesting to compare them.
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: Vindicare101 February 10, 2011, 01:18:15 PM
Gah ! just on the cusp of the second iteration of the Dragon... more pinning for me then ! : )

Out of interest... have you got any GIANT terrain on the drawing board... I'm looking to use my dragon for Warhammer... but fear the new line of sight rules will see him shot to high heaven by every cannon in the Empire's arsenal...

Ideally, I'd like some kind of hill on wheels that he could stay behind and wheel towards the enemy, totally out of sight.. a trojan horse for Dragons...
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: mcfonz February 10, 2011, 05:39:43 PM
Erm . . . .

Am I understanding that Andy is now offering a free touch to the people who pay him extra for the dragon?

If this is the case, I feel left out as I didn't buy a dragon. Does that mean I can just pay for a touch?  :blink:

Ok jokes aside, why don't you do a credit/voucher system like Hasselfree? I didn't buy a dragon but if you had the option for say £25, £50 and mayber £100 to raise funds to help out then people like me who didn't buy a dragon can still help out a bit?
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: Big Boris February 10, 2011, 05:44:33 PM
The voucher system is great for shoirt term fund raising but proves an absolute pain in th ebum over a long term due to paperwork keeping track of who has spent what etc.

Don't worry McFonz you've got some gangsters coming to spend money on!
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: DRAGON February 10, 2011, 06:27:10 PM
Oooh..........more gangsters - guess I win both ways !  :boing:
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: mcfonz February 10, 2011, 09:22:07 PM
The voucher system is great for shoirt term fund raising but proves an absolute pain in th ebum over a long term due to paperwork keeping track of who has spent what etc.

Don't worry McFonz you've got some gangsters coming to spend money on!

Fair enough. I guess it would take a better log-in/cart system to be able to allow the web-site to manage it? A bit like Antenocities.

Instead I shall just have to throw cash at you when you show us some shiney. I still wont be able to touch you in the same way but I guess it will have to do!  :D I have a feeling the dragon, though it has caused much pain and hardship, will attract a lot of industry attention and be a draw for customers at the very least.
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: fredox February 10, 2011, 09:57:39 PM
I've been trying to keep the DakkaDakka and Warseer threads up to date with the hope it might draw a few buyers in. Don't know if it's worked or not though.
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: yxalitis February 10, 2011, 10:17:11 PM
(http://a.yfrog.com/img617/1254/bpdshl.jpg)

:froth: x 10^n

Are those....1cm squares???

YIKES!!!
That suckas HOOG :whaaa:
 :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:
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: beefcake February 11, 2011, 03:24:17 AM
More gangers, hooray!!!
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: Mortanius February 11, 2011, 05:23:46 PM

Fair enough. I guess it would take a better log-in/cart system to be able to allow the web-site to manage it? A bit like Antenocities.

Instead I shall just have to throw cash at you when you show us some shiney. I still wont be able to touch you in the same way but I guess it will have to do!  :D I have a feeling the dragon, though it has caused much pain and hardship, will attract a lot of industry attention and be a draw for customers at the very least.

Or if you wanted to get touched in the special way like the rest of us you could just give him money  :whistle:
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: Big Boris February 12, 2011, 08:56:05 PM
http://www.wamp-forum.com/VB4/showthread.php?5782-Wamps-Awards-2010-Voting

Go here and Vote for the Heresy Dragon in the WAMP Awards! You've only got until 6pm tomorrow (13th), you need to register if you aren't already.
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: weareblind February 12, 2011, 10:04:56 PM
Done a week ago!
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: Lurching Dead February 13, 2011, 11:59:27 AM
Just registered and voted.

I think we voted for the same figure weareblind

 :lalala:
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: weareblind February 13, 2011, 05:35:19 PM
Just registered and voted.

I think we voted for the same figure weareblind

 :lalala:
  :whistle:
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: PiGFoetus February 13, 2011, 10:28:23 PM
Just placed my order.

As I said in my comments, your dragon has got me wanting to pick up a brush again for the first time in about 5 years.
It truly is a stunning piece of sculpting.

Most of my paints have dried up and my sable brushes purloined and annihilated by my daughter (kids, eh?), so I've just bought a 72 pot set of vallejo game colour and all the citadel foundation paints and washes.

Whenever this dragon may turn up, I'll be ready.

I've been away for a long time, so there's no great rush. I'll check back here from time to time to catch up on the soap opera that is your life. :)

In the meantime, I still have that Winged Netherlord in the drawer here, criminally rejected. The Spined Netherlord is getting lonely, so I best crack on with that while I wait. :)

All the Best, Boyo.
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: Bungle February 13, 2011, 11:04:43 PM
I saw the assembled Dragon at hammerhead today.

It is a beauty.

I had to buy some Silks and a Crouchy or two though......  :twisted:
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: Amazon warrior February 14, 2011, 12:06:23 AM
I saw the assembled Dragon at hammerhead today.

It is a beauty.

I had to buy some Silks and a Crouchy or two though......  :twisted:

So....

WHERE ARE THE PICS?!  :tantrum:  :whip: :whip:

 :silly
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: beefcake February 14, 2011, 03:34:47 AM
 :tantrum: :tantrum: YES PICS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

voted a couple of days ago, gave hasslefree best company too.
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: DRAGON February 14, 2011, 08:35:32 AM
I saw the assembled Dragon at hammerhead today.

It is a beauty.

I had to buy some Silks and a Crouchy or two though......  :twisted:

So....

WHERE ARE THE PICS?!  :tantrum:  :whip: :whip:

 :silly
:metoo: :hmmm
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: Vindicare101 February 14, 2011, 09:19:04 AM
Ask an than shall recieve.. not the free touch though..

(http://i325.photobucket.com/albums/k369/anateus/IMG_1885.jpg)
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: Vindicare101 February 14, 2011, 09:19:26 AM
(http://i325.photobucket.com/albums/k369/anateus/IMG_1884.jpg)
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: Vindicare101 February 14, 2011, 09:19:58 AM
(http://i325.photobucket.com/albums/k369/anateus/IMG_1883.jpg)
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: Vindicare101 February 14, 2011, 09:20:37 AM
(http://i325.photobucket.com/albums/k369/anateus/IMG_1882.jpg)
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: Vindicare101 February 14, 2011, 09:22:41 AM
Was great to meet the Heresy crew, I'd only popped into the event as we were in the area (we were heading to Malestrom to check out their events hall... my friends and I run a few big warhammer and 40k events as the Tempus Fugitives, and have recently moved them to there..).

Well worth the journey ! seeing the dragon in all it's minty green glory ! the sense of scale (no pun intended) you get from the previous pictures don't do it justice, seeing it in person... wow !

As to the minty green... not my dodgy phone camera.. it actually is that colour !

Hope you guys didn't smell of red bull all day, after the spillage incident (nothing to do with me).

Gav

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: Mr Teufel February 14, 2011, 12:05:41 PM
Isn't that the scariest lump of resin you ever did see?! :jawdrop: :notworthy: :notworthy:
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: caerban February 14, 2011, 12:19:30 PM
Well worth the journey ! seeing the dragon in all it's minty green glory ! the sense of scale (no pun intended) you get from the previous pictures don't do it justice, seeing it in person... wow !

As to the minty green... not my dodgy phone camera.. it actually is that colour !

Awe inspiring, bank breaking, frustration causing, bankrupting, breakdown inducing, enemy crushing, jealousy provoking, scaly goodness and it freshens your breath! Is there anything this dragon can't do?  :wink:
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: Toosh February 14, 2011, 01:07:40 PM
Holy crap!  :shock:  That looks awesome....just when you think you've got the shear scale of the thing in your head you see another picture and *BANG* it's hits you as to how huge it is  :jawdrop:
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: Vermis February 14, 2011, 01:48:55 PM
Red Bull gives you wings.  Big, spiky, leathery wings?
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: Big Boris February 14, 2011, 03:12:57 PM
Just took some photos, then placed the dragon carefully to one side. Turned around in chair to face the computer. Leaned back in chair whilst reading emails. Heard snapping, crunching noise.

...Balls.
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: fredox February 14, 2011, 03:15:05 PM
 :blub: :swear: :blub: :swear: :blub: :swear: :blub: :swear: :blub: :swear: :blub:

Would sum up how I'd feel right now. How severe is the damage?
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: DRAGON February 14, 2011, 03:55:39 PM
 :whaaa: :lalala: :boing: :notworthy: :mrgreen: :charge: :drool: :salute: :cool2 :neat! :wub: :dance: :band: :respect: :worshipme: :punk: :froth: :ooohyeah2: :woohoo!:.......................... :faint: ...........I don't think I like it now.......... :angel:  :lmao:

Just took some photos, then placed the dragon carefully to one side. Turned around in chair to face the computer. Leaned back in chair whilst reading emails. Heard snapping, crunching noise.

...Balls.

I volunteer for 24 hr guard duty !  :paranoid:
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: Big Boris February 14, 2011, 05:21:33 PM
To clarify, the snapping crunching sound was not my balls. I almost wish it had been. I broke the wing tips off on either side, fixable but intensely annoying.
Fortunately the pics I took of the dragon immediately before I broke it came out OK (You can never tell, stupid cameras and their 1 inch screens)

(http://www.heresyminiatures.com/images/dragon/dragon-testcasting-1-small.jpg)
That's the small pic, you can also have medium (http://www.heresyminiatures.com/images/dragon/dragon-testcasting-1-medium.jpg), large (http://www.heresyminiatures.com/images/dragon/dragon-testcasting-1-large.jpg) or massive (http://www.heresyminiatures.com/images/dragon/dragon-testcasting-1-massive.jpg). Clicky linkies according to your internet speed, i guess. the massive files are in the 4mb each region and are...well, massive.

Bit Blurry face on this one. Sorry

(http://www.heresyminiatures.com/images/dragon/dragon-testcasting-2-small.jpg)
medium (http://www.heresyminiatures.com/images/dragon/dragon-testcasting-2-medium.jpg), large (http://www.heresyminiatures.com/images/dragon/dragon-testcasting-2-large.jpg) or massive (http://www.heresyminiatures.com/images/dragon/dragon-testcasting-2-massive.jpg)

(http://www.heresyminiatures.com/images/dragon/dragon-testcasting-3-small.jpg)
medium (http://www.heresyminiatures.com/images/dragon/dragon-testcasting-3-medium.jpg), large (http://www.heresyminiatures.com/images/dragon/dragon-testcasting-3-large.jpg) or massive (http://www.heresyminiatures.com/images/dragon/dragon-testcasting-3-massive.jpg)

(http://www.heresyminiatures.com/images/dragon/dragon-testcasting-4-small.jpg)
medium (http://www.heresyminiatures.com/images/dragon/dragon-testcasting-4-medium.jpg), large (http://www.heresyminiatures.com/images/dragon/dragon-testcasting-4-large.jpg) or massive (http://www.heresyminiatures.com/images/dragon/dragon-testcasting-4-massive.jpg)
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: weareblind February 14, 2011, 05:31:30 PM
A miniature. I need a 28 mm miniature to do a confrontation. A crushing confrontation.
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: fredox February 14, 2011, 05:34:41 PM
The closer it gets the more the size of the thing is dawning on me.
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: Big Boris February 14, 2011, 05:43:22 PM
Next week, I may well start toying with a rider-friendly variant of some sort. Kev is going to do a rider too, which will be awebulous.

DO NOT HOLD YOUR BREATH WAITING FOR VARIANTS!!!

You all saw how long it took to get this far, let's not pretend there'll be three different versions in the next month or anything!

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: Enazel February 14, 2011, 05:53:55 PM
Kev's doing the rider, o dear me, there goes more money.
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: Gilreth February 14, 2011, 06:09:33 PM
Indeed there does go more money little bro. Will chip in with some more money in next month.

As to dragon pictures - I just hope the time split between mine and Enazel's will be enough for him to pin mine - although he tells me he will make all the mistakes on mine so he doesn't on his......
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: LazarusKing February 14, 2011, 06:13:49 PM
Great.  Now I have drool on my shirt.   :wry:
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: geronimo February 14, 2011, 06:21:58 PM

(http://www.heresyminiatures.com/images/dragon/dragon-testcasting-1-small.jpg)


So that's how it goes together  :paranoid2:
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: alien February 14, 2011, 06:34:21 PM
It's really impresive....
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: Lurching Dead February 14, 2011, 06:34:50 PM
No two ways about it. That is just flippin' awsome!

I am now actually quite scared at the prospect of actually recieving one of these bad boys (or indeed girls... how do you sex a dragon).

 :crazy:
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: Bungle February 14, 2011, 06:37:50 PM
.. how do you sex a dragon).

 :crazy:

Very politely.
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: Tasker February 14, 2011, 06:45:17 PM
That looks awsome.   :boing:

( I will admit though, the ridges on the tail are a bit iffy looking.  Makes it look like it's slotted togeter from a load of bits.   :crazy:  I know it was done that way on purpose - or at least it looks like it - and it won't stop me getting one, but i'm just saying : it makes it look like a telescopic arial. )
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: DRAGON February 14, 2011, 07:04:35 PM
Next week, I may well start toying with a rider-friendly variant of some sort. Kev is going to do a rider too, which will be awebulous.

DO NOT HOLD YOUR BREATH WAITING FOR VARIANTS!!!

You all saw how long it took to get this far, let's not pretend there'll be three different versions in the next month or anything!



At least the main body is done so you have something to build upon ........

I could see "bits" of him selling quite well for people to use in dioramas and conversions such as the wings, rock and head.

.. how do you sex a dragon).
Very politely.
You don't have to be polite as long as you buy me dinner.......... and you are female !  :lol:
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: Bungle February 14, 2011, 07:10:51 PM

.. how do you sex a dragon).
Very politely.
You don't have to be polite as long as you buy me dinner.......... and you are female !  :lol:

Erm..... the only way to tell which sex you are is to watch you eat ? :blink:
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: Beastlord February 14, 2011, 07:43:18 PM
how do you sex a dragon

From my (very vague) memories of reptile lectures it's either to do with how long the tail is (the safer option) or whether you can extrude their hemipenes from the cloaca (double penis - the probably dragon enraging option).... Could be wrong though. Vermis?
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: Big Boris February 14, 2011, 08:40:38 PM
From my (very vague) memories of reptile lectures it's either to do with how long the tail is (the safer option) or whether you can extrude their hemipenes from the cloaca (double penis - the probably dragon enraging option).... Could be wrong though. Vermis?

Which is exactly why I didn't sculpt anything down there beyond a vague line.
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: Twosoc February 14, 2011, 09:21:14 PM
Which is exactly why I didn't sculpt anything down there beyond a vague line.

Steady on old boy, this is a child friendly forum.  :whaaa:
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: Vermis February 14, 2011, 09:26:29 PM
:salute:

There's usually some sexual dimorphism in reptiles - bigger, bulkier male lizards, crocs and some turtles; bigger female snakes and other turtles; colours; spikes and dewlaps; femoral pores; concave plastrons etc. - but some types are more overt than others and if you need to be sure it's handy to have a gander at the tackle.  Problem is they're usually tucked away, as Beastlord says.  In lizards and snakes you can see the bulge behind the cloaca, or try to evert them; although another common method (with snakes, at least) is to use specially-manufactured probes to determine the length of the inverted internal 'pockets'.  You can buy sets of these in exotic pet circles, in accompanying containers or wallets like a set of wax carvers from Heresy.
It's a similar method for crocs, though with different results, and the 'probe' is a little more personal.  The external features of turtles are usually enough to go by.

I'd post links, but it's possible to go too far with the mental scarring.

In terms of the dragon, it's whatever Andy says it is. :)  And a 'vague line' is good enough for a reptilian creature.

Also: oooooh pics.
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: Amazon warrior February 14, 2011, 10:25:23 PM
To clarify, the snapping crunching sound was not my balls. I almost wish it had been. I broke the wing tips off on either side, fixable but intensely annoying.
Fortunately the pics I took of the dragon immediately before I broke it came out OK (You can never tell, stupid cameras and their 1 inch screens)

*picture snippery*

Oh WOW!  Come to mummy, you minty-fresh hunk of reptile! :jawdrop:

Hope the damage isn't too bad - after everything you've been through with this thing, it must have been heart-stopping to hear that snap!
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: beefcake February 15, 2011, 03:20:21 AM
AWESOME!!!!!

Well done Andy!

Also what were those other figs around the dragon in the case photos? they looked pretty cool too.
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: Big Boris February 15, 2011, 09:29:22 AM
Work In Progress stuff - a short arsed clone trooper, that Vermissian cultist prototype from ages back, a new Mullet the Barbarian, a wire-frame Fallen One, and a couple of Paladins to accompany the Dragon: one that you've seen (Sir Roger) and one you haven't, which is the one I'll be giving to those spending more than they needed to on the Dragon, assuming I finish it quickly, that is!
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: weareblind February 15, 2011, 08:19:46 PM
Quick Andy! We can't wait!  :thumbup: :metoo: :applause:
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: Gangrel February 16, 2011, 12:28:08 PM
I SO want multiples of the short-arsed clone clone trooper. That's an extremely cool sculpt and (to me and certain others, at least) very useful and welcome.
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: Big Boris February 16, 2011, 12:34:38 PM
Just having another go at his arms right now... ;)
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: Avicenna February 16, 2011, 12:45:01 PM
btw, I may be being dumb, but where are the pictures of these WIPs?
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: Big Boris February 16, 2011, 12:49:39 PM
Nowhere yet. I've learnt over the years not to put WIPs up until I am 100% confident I'll finish them - saves people emailing me every day to ask when things will be coming out that I might have given up on. You should see the Spider-Minions of Beelzebub, for instance...
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: Ben Brownlie February 16, 2011, 12:53:20 PM
You should see the Spider-Minions of Beelzebub, for instance...

Now you're just being mean!  :tantrum:
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: Avicenna February 16, 2011, 12:58:35 PM
LOL! The only reason I ask is that it looked like people have seen them... maybe it was at the show?
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: Big Boris February 16, 2011, 01:04:02 PM
Yup. The little feller was in the cabinet with the Dragon.
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: Big Boris February 16, 2011, 01:05:14 PM
@Ben Sound cool don't they? But really it's an armature with lengths of wire coming out of the back to make spidery legs. Has been for a couple of years!
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: Gangrel February 16, 2011, 01:14:29 PM
Sounds cool. When can I buy Spider Minions of Beelzebub to go with my squad of short-arsed clone troopers? Huh? Huh?
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: PhilH February 16, 2011, 03:09:01 PM
You should see the Spider-Minions of Beelzebub, for instance...

Ears prick up!! Imagination turns over a couple of times then fires into life.
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: Tasker February 16, 2011, 07:15:28 PM
Mr Andy Sir...

I'm pretty sure that you've answered this before, but I can't remember where...

Is it ok to put payments for the Dragon in with a standard order, or is it best to do them on their own.

Should be puting in an order this weekend and was just wondering which way to do it.
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: Big Boris February 16, 2011, 10:29:07 PM
It's OK to put payments in with an order, but you should specify if you want the other bits to be sent out asap, in which case it'll cost part of your shipping that you pay, sort of thing.


In other news: the Dragon won Best Miniature in the WAMP Awards! Go download the .PDF!
http://www.wamp-forum.com/VB4/downloads.php?do=file&id=9
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: Ben Brownlie February 16, 2011, 10:34:23 PM
It's OK to put payments in with an order, but you should specify if you want the other bits to be sent out asap, in which case it'll cost part of your shipping that you pay, sort of thing.


In other news: the Dragon won Best Miniature in the WAMP Awards! Go download the .PDF!
http://www.wamp-forum.com/VB4/downloads.php?do=file&id=9

 :applause:

Congrats
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: Tasker February 16, 2011, 10:35:52 PM
... in which case it'll cost part of your shipping that you pay, sort of thing.

I think I understand that.   :blink: :silly  ( Yay, random words rule.  :mrgreen: )


In other news: the Dragon won Best Miniature in the WAMP Awards! Go download the .PDF!
http://www.wamp-forum.com/VB4/downloads.php?do=file&id=9

Like there was any chance that wasn't going to happen.   :mrgreen:

Gongratulations.   :applause: :thumbup:
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: beefcake February 17, 2011, 03:34:44 AM
Hooray, congrats on that, hopefully that equals more sales
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: weareblind February 17, 2011, 08:54:13 AM
 :applause: :applause: :applause:
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: Tiacapan February 17, 2011, 02:19:52 PM
Congratulations Andy, both on the exceptional quality of the final sculpt and on having it recognised appropriately by the community at large, I genuinely don't think there was any real doubt that it deserved to win the Best Miniature category.

Even after two years I'm still just as excited by this figure as I was when it was first announced in fact now that it's finally on the home stretch I really can't wait to have a crack at it (glad I got in pretty early).  We all know that sadly this project had turned into something of a millstone around your neck for the past couple of years but from my point of view the end result is one of those figures that will certainly go down in gaming history as one fo the greats. 

Thanks for persevering with it Andy.

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: DRAGON February 17, 2011, 06:05:53 PM
Congrats !  :thumbup:
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: Lurching Dead February 17, 2011, 10:05:44 PM
Congratulations Andy. Well deserved   :applause: :applause:

On another note, re: the email I sent you about extra cash towards the dragon, I've had a brief cash flow problem, so it will ae to wait until I get aid next week, but rest assured, I will be sending some extra cash for that amazing beast.
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: Tasker February 20, 2011, 01:22:34 PM
Andy, i've just stuck £100 down for one of these beauties.

Was hoping to pay in full, ( or at least buy a few other bits along with the deposit ), but pesky things called "bills" kept dropping through the letterbox.  :tantrum:
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: yxalitis February 21, 2011, 09:15:40 PM

Oh WOW!  Come to mummy, you minty-fresh hunk of reptile! :jawdrop:

Dragons are not, repeat NOT reptiles...
Sorry, that one gets my goat... :tantrum:
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: Avicenna February 21, 2011, 09:17:53 PM
hmmm they are fantastical creatures.... they could be reptiles if you want them to be :P
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: gi6ers February 21, 2011, 09:19:11 PM

Dragons are not, repeat NOT reptiles...
Sorry, that one gets my goat... :tantrum:

Me too, honestly.

Just makes me want to stamp on kittens.


 :shrug:
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: Nosferatu February 21, 2011, 09:30:36 PM
 :shock: Awwwwhhhh! Poor kittens!  :tears:




...sorry, no opinion on the reptile thing.  :nah:

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: yxalitis February 22, 2011, 01:40:10 AM
hmmm they are fantastical creatures.... they could be reptiles if you want them to be :P
Why would you want them to be reptiles?
Slaves to sunlight, sluggish in the cold, no flight (no reptiles fly).

Seems to me that imagining them to be reptiles also requires you to imagine away a whole raft of reptilian characteristics that get in the way of how we believe a dragon should behave.

"let us slay the dragon...later, after sunset, when it will be asleep, and have no energy to move..."
"we offered the virgin to the dragon, but apparently it had already eaten that month, and wasn't hungry..."

I personally imagine dragons to be creatures of magic, that don't eat (for sustenance), breath (for oxygen), or age.
But that's in MY WORLD!
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: Tasker February 22, 2011, 06:16:35 AM
hmmm they are fantastical creatures.... they could be reptiles if you want them to be :P
Why would you want them to be reptiles?
Slaves to sunlight, sluggish in the cold, no flight (no reptiles fly).

Seems to me that imagining them to be reptiles also requires you to imagine away a whole raft of reptilian characteristics that get in the way of how we believe a dragon should behave.

"let us slay the dragon...later, after sunset, when it will be asleep, and have no energy to move..."
"we offered the virgin to the dragon, but apparently it had already eaten that month, and wasn't hungry..."

I personally imagine dragons to be creatures of magic, that don't eat (for sustenance), breath (for oxygen), or age.
But that's in MY WORLD!


Thing is though... This isn't YOUR world it's Andys. And he's already said the skin texture was modeled after that of a Crocodile/Alligator, so it stands to reason that people will treat it as a reptile.

As has been said, Dragons are magical mythical beasts, therefore real world principles don't apply, therefore  they can be whatever the hell their designers want them to be.
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: caerban February 22, 2011, 06:41:37 AM
Reptiles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinosaur)
Also reptiles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pterosaur)

That, I think, based on most recent theories covers cold-bloodedness and flight... No doubt Verm will have the most up to date information.
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: Big Boris February 22, 2011, 07:47:42 AM
Seriously, it's whatever anyone wants it to be. Really no need for anyone to get upset over what it is or isn't!
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: weareblind February 22, 2011, 08:26:42 AM
Ahahahha but this is a good sign Andy!
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: Vermis February 22, 2011, 01:14:34 PM
Reptiles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinosaur)
Also reptiles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pterosaur)

That, I think, based on most recent theories covers cold-bloodedness and flight...

 :wink: :thumbup:

Seriously, it's whatever anyone wants it to be. Really no need for anyone to get upset over what it is or isn't!

 :wink: :thumbup:
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: Ben Brownlie February 22, 2011, 01:42:47 PM
Seriously, it's whatever anyone wants it to be. Really no need for anyone to get upset over what it is or isn't!

Indeed

Getting wound up by this would be more than a trifle silly ;)
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: DRAGON February 22, 2011, 07:43:33 PM
The beast can be whatever it want's to be - hell it can even be called Mabel - who's going to argue !  :lol:
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: yxalitis February 23, 2011, 12:38:03 AM
Seriously, it's whatever anyone wants it to be. Really no need for anyone to get upset over what it is or isn't!

Indeed

Getting wound up by this would be more than a trifle silly ;)
I think this is one of the few forums where I can make a silly comment like that, and not have anyone fly off the handle...
Obviously I'm not upset...really... :whistle:
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: BulldogUK February 23, 2011, 07:24:06 AM
Keith Richards is human but has a face like a Rhino's arse so I guess a dragon can have reptile like skin and not be a reptile  :thumbup:
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: Avicenna February 23, 2011, 08:00:15 AM
Lol!! I'll have to give you that one bulldog :)
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: Tasker February 23, 2011, 09:03:21 AM
Arrrghhhh.

Why do I keep forgetting to stick smiley faces on my posts.   :blink: :tantrum:


Didn't mean my last post to come over as serious.   :erm: :crazy:
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: beefcake February 24, 2011, 03:45:19 AM
Arrrghhhh.

Why do I keep forgetting to stick smiley faces on my posts.   :blink: :tantrum:  :D


Didn't mean my last post to come over as serious.   :erm: :crazy:  :D


Just fixed that up for you.  :D
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: Tasker February 24, 2011, 08:58:25 AM
Arrrghhhh.

Why do I keep forgetting to stick smiley faces on my posts.   :blink: :tantrum:  :D


Didn't mean my last post to come over as serious.   :erm: :crazy:  :D


Just fixed that up for you.  :D


You see?

I did it again.     :crazy:

 :D

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: yxalitis February 25, 2011, 12:53:33 AM
I Propose we dub the dragon:

Goliath!
The Heresy Dragon

Thank you, thank you, thank you...
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: Nosferatu February 25, 2011, 01:28:21 AM
I'm feeling inspired by Bulldog's comment. I'm gonna call mine 'Keef'!  8)
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: caerban February 25, 2011, 08:20:22 AM
I will name him George (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JlVqfC8-UI).
:)
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: Gangrel February 25, 2011, 12:16:13 PM
I can't follow the link at work. But I'm guessing you'd hug him and pet him too!
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: Lurching Dead February 25, 2011, 12:48:19 PM
 :silly :silly

I loved that as a kid.

Seem to love it as an adult as well.....
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: agentmolar February 25, 2011, 08:14:35 PM
Is fluffy an appropriate name for a dragon? Im now imaganing a big collar on him and one of the hasslefree children holding a chain.... ideas for a diorama....
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: Vermis February 25, 2011, 10:56:03 PM
Dunno about Fluffy.  Whatever you like.  But I know one family who had a Spot (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuHr00nxeew).
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: weareblind February 26, 2011, 12:39:27 PM
No, not Fluffy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handy_Manny
Mr. Lopart and his pet cat Fluffy in front of their candy store.
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: Lurching Dead March 01, 2011, 08:41:16 AM
 :boing:  Finally managed to get my sweaty mits on some cash, so you have a paypal payment from me Andy, bunging you a little more towards the Dragon above the pre-order price.

Brings it closer to what it is worth IMHO.   :notworthy:

Hope it helps!

LD.
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: Vindicare101 March 01, 2011, 09:40:37 AM
Any ETA on the production of the dragon, now that the test cast is complete ?

Just eager to get my mitts on it...
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: Big Boris March 01, 2011, 01:00:29 PM
Nothing definite yet. The first ten or so shouldn't be long now though.
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: Vindicare101 March 01, 2011, 03:51:16 PM
 :notworthy: Awesome! :notworthy:
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: Tiacapan March 02, 2011, 10:21:38 AM
Any update on the P&P costs yet Andy?
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: DRAGON March 02, 2011, 09:15:05 PM
It's so close now I can almost touch it............. maybe I ought to rephrase that!  :lol:
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: Lurching Dead March 02, 2011, 10:20:59 PM
It's so close now I can almost touch it............. maybe I ought to rephrase that!  :lol:


Now don't start that again!      :whistle:
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: yxalitis March 03, 2011, 12:49:08 AM
It's so close now I can almost touch it.............

You should lose weight then... :lmao
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: beefcake March 03, 2011, 03:29:15 AM
 :lmao
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: fredox March 03, 2011, 10:14:36 PM
Regarding the post on Facebook. What bits on the kit are going to be metal? Couple of people asking over on Warseer?
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: Cheddarmonger March 06, 2011, 09:11:20 PM
I'm a bit farther behind than the birth of the dragon.  Can I get a couple of updates?  I'm not fretting about the delivery date, but I vaguely recall reading something about paying for shipping and a special Sir Roger.  What's the news? 

Cheers,
 -- David
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: Big Boris March 07, 2011, 02:03:01 PM
Got a lot of people asking me if they can get their dragon at Salute, etc:

Short answer: maybe, but only if you're in the first couple of dozen people and I've emailed you to tell you your dragon is ready prior to the show and you email me back about picking it up there. Not fair otherwise. BUT you might be able to get an 'Imperfect Dragon' - see long explanation/update below

Long answer:

Basically, there's been a bit of to and fro 'twixt the Heresy Dungeon and Fenris's Workshop. I have a few sets of Dragon castings - ten at the minute but the problem is those huge one-piece wings: they have been causing big problems in th ecasting process. Basically, relying on gravity and vacuum to get the resin into all the scales and things before said resin has a chance to go off and start soldifying (only a 20 second pour time) has been something of a challenge. Those wings are relatively thin, and the only way to position the whole thing in th emould leaves the scales ont he outside edge of the fingers pointing up, meaning air gets trapped all over them. Also the moulds weigh 12kgs in rubber, and the clamps have had trouble coping. Ian's bought new bigger clamps which have done the job, but this means the wing membranes are now being awkward.

After some discussion vis video conference over the weekend with Ian (who said it felt like being Peter Jackson :lol ), I have begun to re-cut the dragon so that the wings are in two halves , with the first membrane attached to the body and the other three plus fingers separated via the 'wrist' of the wing. Tricksy, and it's meant some clever cutting and fiddly repairs. I've also moved the pelvis from the legs to the torso so that the extended wings are now merged with the torso rather than poking out (see pic of resin components from a couple of weeks ago earlier in the thread). The legs are now two separate pieces with a cut made across the thighs of each. The spines along the back have been chopped up too - for the time being, in order to aid production speed, I'll be casting part of them in metal, along with the tongues and claws and stuff, until we catch up with the list. Ian just has too much to cast and not enough time to do it all in any realistic timeframe. Hopefully the work i am doing on re-cutting the Dragon will mean that things go much more quickly/easily at his end.

Saying that, Ian thinks he may have sussed the current problems with the big wings so there may be a few Perfect Dragons sooner than expected, but there's still a question of how long all the moulds will last in the current form. The cuts I am making mean that more than half of the current moulds will no longer be usable with the new parts, so once one mould goes, they all will need replacing.

Thus, it may be that we will end up with some sets of Dragons which are Not Good Enough to send out to thsoe of you who have paid good money for one. The so-called Imperfect Dragons, which need a lot of modelling work done to fill in holes, bubbles and replace miscast scales, or scraping away excess resin caused by mould slip. I know some of you will be happy to have one of those as they will have cost me less than the Perfect Dragons, technically. Equally I know most of you will prefer to wait and get a Perfect Dragon (I would)

As to Sir Roger, no news yet, been busy on other stuff but will eb sorting him before the Perfect Dragons are sent out.

Still haven't worked out shipping yet either, sorry.
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: Big Boris March 07, 2011, 02:03:45 PM
And to be clear, the ten sets I have at the moment are most definitely Imperfect Dragons!
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: tumblebomb March 07, 2011, 02:45:40 PM
Thanks for the info, I suppose it'll be better in the end as you'll make a bit more money ( or lose less  :erm:) with molds lasting longer.
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: Amazon warrior March 07, 2011, 07:52:44 PM
It all sounds like a right faff and headache, but I'm sure we're all very grateful for the hard work that you guys are putting into this beastie!   :applause:
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: Big Boris March 07, 2011, 10:45:33 PM
If anyone is interested, I have counted the rings (layers of different coloured putty applied over the years) inside the torso and legs where I have cut them open and there are at least 8 layers of scales sculpted at one time or another...
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: Nosferatu March 07, 2011, 11:16:16 PM
 :lol: Sort of like tree rings ...only slower!  :whistle:
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: DRAGON March 08, 2011, 07:47:13 PM
That must make it the Redwood of the "mini" world !  :lol:
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: Tasker March 08, 2011, 10:39:19 PM
Actually, Redwood sounds like a cool name for a Dragon.   :thinks:
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: Nosferatu March 08, 2011, 10:51:55 PM
 :lol: Well, better than Pinus radiata anyway!  :wry:
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: weareblind March 09, 2011, 08:18:26 AM
Oh, a Latin Lover! I mean, a lover of the Old Tongue.  :lmao
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: yxalitis March 10, 2011, 11:03:21 PM
Andy...in hindsight (wonderful stuff if you can get it)
Would you have been far far better off making a smaller dragon...?
 :paranoid2:
OK, too late now, but for future reference...?
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: DRAGON March 11, 2011, 04:57:19 PM
He could have done a smaller dragon - but where would the fun be in that ?
Besides every other company does a fun-sized beastie, Andy went for the American sized portion full fat version !
Or maybe it was "scale" creep.........  :lol:
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: Dravi March 11, 2011, 06:51:05 PM
Well it seems that Andy was doing a smaller version, but with the 8+ layers of scale, it just got bigger as it went along   :blink:
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: PhilH March 11, 2011, 08:14:44 PM
maybe it was "scale" creep.........  :lol:

 :lmao Probably the best FoD joke ever. 10/10 :thumbup:
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: Lurching Dead March 11, 2011, 09:51:37 PM
 :metoo:

 :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao
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: Ishil March 12, 2011, 11:37:28 AM
 :metoo:

Whoops, too slow!
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: yxalitis March 24, 2011, 12:51:06 AM
12 days, no posts...that's gotta be a record.
...how's that dragon coming along ...?
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: DRAGON March 24, 2011, 06:25:38 AM
I am going to stick an extra payment down next week if it helps...........  :pokey  :angel:
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: geronimo March 24, 2011, 08:23:45 AM
12 days, no posts...that's gotta be a record.
...how's that dragon coming along ...?

Started the new moulds yesterday....
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: Big Boris March 24, 2011, 09:20:19 AM
Basically, I dumped enough re-sculpted parts on Ian that he has to remake more than half of the moulds he spent so long making in the first place. Once he's done the moulds for the new main body parts and got me a resin casting, I can finish re-sculpting the back spines so that they'll definitely fit properly on the new body without pushing the two halves apart which is what the spines on the original body were doing, by about 2mm or so.

In theory, once all that's done the wings should be a lot easier to get acceptable castings from and we should be good to go!

Meantime if anyone wants to use their payment to purchase one of these miscast Dragons, ie you're desperate for a dragon and love spending time filling in tiny air bubbles and resculpting missing chunks of scales (easy enough if you have one of the taper point, double ended scultping tools I sell, but time consuming) and you're coming to Salute and want to pick it up there, let me know asap. I have twenty of them which will be available on the day to try and pay for the remade moulds.
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: Big Boris March 24, 2011, 09:21:29 AM
(Personally, I would wait for the better quality one but if you are super-keen, you are welcome to one)
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: Twosoc March 24, 2011, 10:01:37 AM
I don't mind messing about getting them to fit etc, I was going to suggest that as I feel a little guilty about not being able to pay any extra.  Not going to salute though are you willing to post these ones?
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: cute_goth13 March 24, 2011, 10:21:10 AM
Had a random thought:
would there be any market for selling off all those miscast chunks as bitz box style items, for those people who would like to use random bits of dragon for battlefield scenery, kill trophies or basing bling?

maybe a way to get a little money for all the leftovers so they dont go to waste?

out of curiosity - how much are you selling the not-perfect dragon for?
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: Twosoc March 27, 2011, 06:42:26 PM
Just pm'd you Andy, may have an alternative to my earlier suggestion.
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: Vermis April 05, 2011, 10:46:30 AM
I don't know if this has been mentioned before, but when the dragon goes up for general sale, are you keeping the part-payment scheme?
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: Big Boris April 05, 2011, 11:12:41 AM
Probably yes. Although it seems most new folk buy it at full price rather than instalments.

Just had the re-moulded body through. Much better quality - scales all there and no mould slip. Just have to wait and see if the tricky thin top part comes out OK, and re-sculpt these back spines to make sure they fit properly.

Almost there. Again!
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: caerban April 05, 2011, 11:17:45 PM
Almost there. Again!

Yerrs! C'MON!!!!
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: tumblebomb April 13, 2011, 07:07:18 PM
Anticipation growing, can't wait to see the many parts (it dont scare me I got epoxy), nevermind just how long it'll take to paint and prepare. Wish I was going to salute.
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: Avicenna April 13, 2011, 07:50:27 PM
I am thoroughly looking forward to seeing this at Salute!
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: DRAGON April 16, 2011, 07:44:46 AM
Hope someone is going to take plenty of photos !
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: beefcake April 16, 2011, 09:36:33 AM
 :metoo:
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: Sir Chiddlington-Smythe April 16, 2011, 09:13:27 PM
Just seen it at Salute and its just as awsome as it looks 2D. Sorry no pics as my digital camera is on the blink but you'll just have to take my word for it!
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: Big Boris April 17, 2011, 02:22:50 PM
The first ten dragons - albeit miscasts - have now found their way into people's houses following Salute.

You can't imagine how this feels to me! :happytears:



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: fredox April 17, 2011, 02:38:43 PM
Gutted I missed on seeing it at Salute. Spent a few hours looking at trains and buses the other day before finding out I needed to be at the games club I help run. Looking forward to having my dragons in my hands at some point. Still a waiting game for that though.

Gratz on getting the first ones out the door.
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: Vermis April 17, 2011, 05:17:17 PM
 :D
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: Tasker April 17, 2011, 08:13:28 PM
Andy. Just paid my last 2 payments for my drags-on.     muahahahaha

Just need to know about shipping now. 
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: Toosh April 17, 2011, 09:25:42 PM
Congrats Andy!  Your first 10 babies off into the world! :D  We came to the stand yesterday and saw the dragon in all it's minty freshness and it was truly awesome. In fact, I felt a teeny bit intimidated by the size - I think I'd forgotten how big he was  :blink:
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: Big Boris April 18, 2011, 12:09:35 PM
I thought I saw you out of the corner of my eye...
: Re: Re: The 1st ever Heresy dragon. A big one. [UPDATED Halloween 2010] DONE!!!!
: Big Boris April 18, 2011, 12:10:31 PM
Andy. Just paid my last 2 payments for my drags-on.     muahahahaha

Just need to know about shipping now. 
When yours is due in, I'll let you know! I'll only spend it if you send it right away...
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: Tasker April 18, 2011, 02:01:53 PM
Andy. Just paid my last 2 payments for my drags-on.     muahahahaha

Just need to know about shipping now. 
When yours is due in, I'll let you know! I'll only spend it if you send it right away...

No problem-o   :thumbup:
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: Twosoc April 18, 2011, 04:18:24 PM
Just picked mine up from my kind friend who went to salute. Its even bigger than I remembered, now just got to work out where everything goes, that and get a bucket to soak it all in!

Those who were patient enough to wait for the production one will not be disappointed, even the "slightly less then perfect one" (as Andy called them,) I've got is much better than most forgeworld items I've had.  Any mould lines on it are, in my opinion, well within acceptable levels, most being paper thin that come off with a suitable application of fingernail.  Overall if this had been a production one, I would have been well chuffed with it.

Anyone who's on the fence about buying one, I can confirm that it was well worth the wait.  So thanks Andy, I'm one very happy bunny.  :applause:

Now, what colour to do?..............................
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: Big Boris April 18, 2011, 04:31:00 PM
To be fair, Craig spent 3 hours picking the absolute best castings out of the 20 we had so the 10 that went out were much better than I would have expected. If I had packed them they would have been equal mixes across the twenty of good bits and bad bits so you ten people who picked one up at Salute have come off really rather well!

However, the ones Ian will cast next will still be impossibly good castings compared to those ones. You can always buy another one to convert! ;)
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: Twosoc April 18, 2011, 07:45:56 PM
Wasn't meant as a criticism at all. I was very pleasantly surprised that there was so little work to be done to it. Just a little gap filling and hole redrilling. What I meant was if you had told me it was a final cast I wouldn't have had a problem with it. My apologies if it sounded otherwise. Craig did good :)
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: yxalitis April 23, 2011, 02:23:50 AM
To be fair, Craig spent 3 hours picking the absolute best castings out of the 20 we had so the 10 that went out were much better than I would have expected. If I had packed them they would have been equal mixes across the twenty of good bits and bad bits so you ten people who picked one up at Salute have come off really rather well!

However, the ones Ian will cast next will still be impossibly good castings compared to those ones. You can always buy another one to convert! ;)
I am comfortable making the wild assumption that most of us are over 20, and started modelling back in the days of Asgard Miniatures.
Have you got an old mini from the early 80's...my, weren't they appalling!
My somewhat nebulous point? That even the poorer castings would be "acceptable" for most modellers, who can still remember filling and filing for several hours to get a miniature into a shape that vaguely resembled it's supposed subject matter, as opposed to, say, a used condom stuck on a walnut.
My point's point, is...sell the suckers at half price!
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: DRAGON April 24, 2011, 04:59:59 PM
to get a miniature into a shape that vaguely resembled it's supposed subject matter, as opposed to, say, a used condom stuck on a walnut.
The mind boggles..........  :lmao
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: beefcake April 24, 2011, 09:40:56 PM
Now that's a miniature line that's never been addressed before. Maybe this should be in the suggestions thread.
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: Ajsalium May 02, 2011, 06:44:35 PM
Er..... what size was it again?

I need an exact figure of the total height of the dragon (preferably in metric units), to see if it will fit in the cabinet of a TV/storage combination I've just bought.
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: yxalitis May 03, 2011, 04:15:13 AM
Er..... what size was it again?

I need an exact figure of the total height of the dragon (preferably in metric units), to see if it will fit in the cabinet of a TV/storage combination I've just bought.
It's big..real big.
No, I know what you're thinking, but you're wrong, what you're thinking is too small.
OK, think of the biggest thing you can think of..
now double it
got it?
It's bigger then that.

Hope that helps!  8:::
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: Dravi May 03, 2011, 01:35:59 PM
The pics on the Dragon page have a ruler and the cutting mat grid on some pics. Andy also noted that "It's about 29cm from the base of the rock to the top of the wing, and about 40cm wingspan."

Hope that helps.
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: Ajsalium May 03, 2011, 02:49:50 PM
Thank you very much.

So 30 cm tall aprox. It should fit (barely) inside the cabinet.
I am already thinking of a diorama...
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: Twosoc May 03, 2011, 04:08:02 PM
its also 24cm front to back.  Mines comfortably resting in an Ikea cabinet with a giant and a huge mek on the same shelf, its more hight than width to be honest.
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: DRAGON May 03, 2011, 09:07:42 PM
It's big..real big.
No, I know what you're thinking, but you're wrong, what you're thinking is too small.
OK, think of the biggest thing you can think of..
now double it
got it?
It's bigger then that.

Hope that helps!  8:::
:lmao
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: RiTides Nids May 08, 2011, 02:39:23 AM
Out of curiosity, are the only ones sent so far the original 10 ("imperfect", although apparently fine after all)?

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: yxalitis May 10, 2011, 03:38:16 AM
Out of curiosity, are the only ones sent so far the original 10 ("imperfect", although apparently fine after all)?

yes, I can assure you that once this elephantine gestation is over, and the models start getting shipped out...this topic will suddenly start taking on weight like an American schoolkid in a donut shop.
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: tumblebomb May 20, 2011, 08:01:29 PM
Having just been gifted an airbrush and compressor from the lovely folks at a job I'm leaving, I am even more excited about seeing my dragon in the flesh. Now to think how to paint it!
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: DRAGON May 29, 2011, 07:08:03 PM
Any news on the casting front............?
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: geronimo May 29, 2011, 08:16:33 PM
Any news on the casting front............?

All new moulds now complete...Andy's okayed the test castings...so back into full scale production from tomorrow....
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: fredox May 29, 2011, 08:43:08 PM
/happy dance
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: caerban May 29, 2011, 09:56:45 PM
I'm still number 15 right? *happy dance*
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: Dravi May 29, 2011, 10:28:29 PM
Yay, looking forward to having to pay for postage now   :boing: :woohoo: :happytears:
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: yxalitis May 30, 2011, 04:14:47 AM
Any news on the casting front............?

All new moulds now complete...Andy's okayed the test castings...so back into full scale production from tomorrow....
:boing: :boing: :boing: :boing: HEY  :boing: :boing: :boing: :boing:
Just one question...how come Andy hasn't been trumpeting this news form the roof tops??  :whaaa:
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: DRAGON May 30, 2011, 08:44:58 AM
 :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:
Just one question...how come Andy hasn't been trumpeting this news form the roof tops??  :whaaa:
He's probably passed out in the corner !
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: Big Boris May 30, 2011, 09:43:53 AM
Actually, yes, I was. Something went very wrong after the show yesterday and I suddenly was wracked with uncontrollable shaking and shivering for two hours, then boiling sweating for three hours, then shivering again for two hours. I haven't slept a wink in 2 days. Don't know what's going on. think it might be utter exhaustion.

But yes, Dragon coming soon now!
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: Steel Penguin May 30, 2011, 11:00:14 AM
 :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:
if your feeling rough Andy i blame the extra stress from the card machine throwing a wobbler. ( did it start working again after me?)

looking forward to geting my posting notification... for both of em.
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: Nosferatu May 30, 2011, 12:39:22 PM
Actually, yes, I was. Something went very wrong after the show yesterday and I suddenly was wracked with uncontrollable shaking and shivering for two hours, then boiling sweating for three hours, then shivering again for two hours. I haven't slept a wink in 2 days. Don't know what's going on. think it might be utter exhaustion.

But yes, Dragon coming soon now!

Nasty, sounds like the flu. Any aches and pains with that?

Worst case of flu I ever had I picked up in Peru or Chile, I had the worst of it on the long haul flight home from Santiago. Got back to Auckland and then our flight to Melbourne was delayed by several hours. As if long haul flights aren't bad enough! I thought I was going to die that day ...spent the next 2 weeks in bed.

Hope you're feeling better soon.

Great news on the dragson too, by the way.
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: yxalitis June 01, 2011, 05:25:09 AM
Great news on the dragson too, by the way.

Dragson, haha, nice one!
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: Nosferatu June 01, 2011, 05:28:49 AM
Great news on the dragson too, by the way.

Dragson, haha, nice one!

Can't claim that one, it comes from the Andy himself. I probably wouldn't be that cheeky if he hadn't called it that himself.  :wry:
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: Lachs June 17, 2011, 12:16:26 PM
News? NEWS?   :smile:

This waiting for the dragon is soooooo cruel.  Is ist possible  to pass the dragon on to my unborn kids.   :silly
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: agentmolar June 17, 2011, 12:58:43 PM
My wife is starting to mock me of late. Every week or so she asks me. " So when is this dragon of yours coming?"  " how big is it again? " " What that big? What do you need that for? "  rinse and repeat.

I am going to need it soon just to be able to shut her up !  :twisted:  :nah:
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: Mr Teufel June 17, 2011, 01:06:29 PM
Should call it "Godot (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waiting_for_Godot)".
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: Big Boris June 17, 2011, 01:47:25 PM
It should start trickling out next week. Just as fast as Ian can cast it. He had a slipped disc in his back, don't yer know...
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: agentmolar June 17, 2011, 04:39:26 PM
He had a slipped disc in his back, don't yer know...

Its THAT big????  Wow...  :whistle:
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: DRAGON June 17, 2011, 06:59:24 PM
 :lol:
My wife is starting to mock me of late. Every week or so she asks me. " So when is this dragon of yours coming?"  " how big is it again? " " What that big? What do you need that for? "  rinse and repeat.

I am going to need it soon just to be able to shut her up !  :twisted:  :nah:
She sounds like a cross between my mother and best mate - she doesn't understand and he hasn't painted anything in years !
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: Twosoc June 17, 2011, 07:28:40 PM
It should start trickling out next week.
Yeah but what about the dragon? Oh come one, no one else was thinking it?
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: beefcake June 17, 2011, 10:50:43 PM
ewww!
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: yxalitis June 24, 2011, 06:44:57 AM
So has anyone got their dragon yet?
Not that I'm impatient, or anything!  :tantrum: :tantrum: :tantrum: :tantrum:

Sorry,  :crazy:
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: DRAGON June 24, 2011, 07:44:34 AM
Somebody has sculpted a dragon ? Why didn't anyone tell me !  :lol:
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: Big Boris June 24, 2011, 08:00:46 AM
Another delay - Ian's wife is/has been in hospital having four operations at once. Understandably, this trumps casting dragons but Ian says he'll get me some next week. I hope we can get everybody's dragon out by Christmas (Lordy, how I hope that...)
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: DRAGON June 24, 2011, 08:09:06 AM
Does anyone actually want one of the cursed things in their house now ? :blink:
Oh all right I will take the risk ! :angel:
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: Wanderer June 24, 2011, 08:50:18 AM
Does anyone actually want one of the cursed things in their house now ? :blink:
Oh all right I will take the risk ! :angel:

That's terribly selfless of you, taking a bullet for the team like that... :lol:
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: Vermis June 25, 2011, 02:09:49 AM
Another delay - Ian's wife is/has been in hospital having four operations at once.

 :shock:

I hope she's okay.
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: tumblebomb June 26, 2011, 01:28:11 PM
Anyone seen the new WhiteDwarf? GW has new dragons/monsters out and they don't look half as good as Andy's!  Although if they made it anything like the cover art then Heresy might have some (but little) competition.
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: atacam June 26, 2011, 01:40:25 PM
This has been a long time coming. I hope Ians wife is OK, and on a selfish note hope I get my dragon before Christmas ;)

Need to start work on it ASAP if its ever going got be ready for Salute 2012. Yes I actually plan to paint it  :lalala:

On another note I just got notification from Forge World. They have just released a dragon and 8inces tall, will get one of these too.



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: yxalitis June 27, 2011, 04:24:20 AM
Anyone seen the new WhiteDwarf? GW has new dragons/monsters out and they don't look half as good as Andy's!  Although if they made it anything like the cover art then Heresy might have some (but little) competition.
But surely GW are crap?
No, seriously, GW produce over-priced plastic garbage, or over-priced metal garbage.
I mean, when was the last time you saw an awe-inspiring mini on a sprue?
http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1860133a_99120299022_ChimeraSprue01_873x627.jpg
seriously?
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: Avicenna June 27, 2011, 06:44:09 AM
LoL!! GW produce some great minis - not to everyone's taste as they are quite stylised but certainly not 'garbage'... However, I am not a great fan of their new dragons, there is something not quite right about the proportions, which is compounded by the foreshortening in a number of their photos.
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: beefcake June 27, 2011, 10:20:38 AM
I've never been a fan of GW dragons. Always too cartoony, big hands and big bellies as if they've raided one to many dwarven ale-houses. The othe monsters look goodish to me. Won't get them because of the price though but it may get other awesome monster sculptors to make some, hint hint. :wink:
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: Vermis June 27, 2011, 10:27:01 AM
they don't look half as good as Andy's!

there is something not quite right

Always too cartoony, big hands and big bellies as if they've raided one to many dwarven ale-houses.

I could put a name to these complaints, but it'd steer this thing even more off-topic.

On a related note: don't buy a dragon because it's eight inches tall.
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: caerban June 27, 2011, 03:20:43 PM
they don't look half as good as Andy's!

there is something not quite right

Always too cartoony, big hands and big bellies as if they've raided one to many dwarven ale-houses.

I could put a name to these complaints, but it'd steer this thing even more off-topic.

On a related note: don't buy a dragon because it's eight inches tall.

Besides it's probably only 6 and they're just boasting ;)

And I ran out of willing suspension of disbelief for GW dragons back in the mid-80s. Despite my near compulsive dragon collecting I own nothing of theirs after the DS3 horned dragon and similar.
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: Balgin Stondraeg June 28, 2011, 04:37:44 PM
Anyone seen the new WhiteDwarf? GW has new dragons/monsters out and they don't look half as good as Andy's!  Although if they made it anything like the cover art then Heresy might have some (but little) competition.

I'm more concerned about the preview pictures I've just seen of the new Forgeworld dragon. It looks like they copied morew than Andy's Dragon's pose. It seems like a bit of a poor immitation 'though.
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: Tasker June 28, 2011, 06:51:02 PM
I'm more concerned about the preview pictures I've just seen of the new Forgeworld dragon. It looks like they copied morew than Andy's Dragon's pose. It seems like a bit of a poor immitation 'though.

Funny enough my first thought when I saw it was  " That looks like a crap Andy's dragon rip off. "
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: Torg July 04, 2011, 11:15:47 PM
They might try to claim Andy's is a copy of their's (I know it doesn't make sense, but who says anything they do makes sense?) :wink:
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: yxalitis July 05, 2011, 05:01:01 AM
They might try to claim Andy's is a copy of their's (I know it doesn't make sense, but who says anything they do makes sense?) :wink:
Am I the only reader here who sees no similarity whatsoever between the two dragons, other then the fact that they are both dragons?  8:::

(http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Images/Product/DefaultFW/xlarge/carmine-dragon2.jpg)
compare and contrast too:
(http://www.germy.co.uk/pictures/Heresydragon.JPG)

Sorry...why are these two similar, more so then just both being dragons??
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: Tasker July 05, 2011, 06:54:31 AM
Perched on a tree.
Wings wide open.
Neck turned to the right.
Spines from head to toe.
Mouth wide open in a snarl.

Yep no similarities there at all.    :roll:
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: Wanderer July 05, 2011, 09:01:29 AM
If it helps everyones senses of indignation the GW one was finished and first rumour pics were splashed way back when the Dark Elf Corsairs and Cold Ones were released, they've just held over releasing it until Storm of Magic...

Perched on a tree.
Wings wide open.
Neck turned to the right.
Spines from head to toe.
Mouth wide open in a snarl.

Yep no similarities there at all.    :roll:

There are a lot of commercially available dragons that match those criteria though, especially if you look at the trinket market as well as the gaming market... Andy's is simply in a class of it's own :D
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: Big Boris July 05, 2011, 10:30:58 AM
Not perched on a tree. Standing on a big rock. Resting hand on a tree. (just becuase i thought that would look cool, and I needed a third point of contact to take the weight of the model off the ankles a bit. Was going to be a boulder for about a year or more.)

As to the other similarities, I will shrug and say "Sure. Whatever." Maybe roll my eyes a bit. 

I wanted the mouth closed but it was the FOD who demanded the mouth open version when i put it up for discussion. Wings wide open - well, yes. Show me a dragon with its wings closed, and I'll show you a dragon that is not as impressive as it could be.

Neck turned to the right. Well, yes, but then I did spend a few months just waving a head around in the air to work out the best neck position and it came down to straight ahead or right due to the curve in the body.

Spines from head to toe. I like spines and this dragon has spines. I hope GW sues me for that. Oh, how I hope.

I assume you weren't being serious, though. ;)
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: Big Boris July 05, 2011, 10:34:19 AM
BTW, I am really out of touch with GW stuff. I only see the bits that turn up on Frothers mainly. I have no idea when that Cowabunga Dragon was finished, I just remember vaguely seeing it on Frothers at some point.
I had this dragon planned since I was 13, if it helps. Only in the original drawings it was standing on a castle turret!
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: Avicenna July 05, 2011, 11:05:33 AM
Andy, the maths on this one are simple

You've done a new dragon, GW have done a new dragon and yours kicks its proverbial backside!
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: Vermis July 05, 2011, 11:39:51 AM
Mouth wide open in a Barney Gumble belch.

Well, one of 'em.  :paranoid: :whistle:
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: Tasker July 05, 2011, 01:08:11 PM
Nah, I didn't mean any of it seriously.

Already knew the Forge World one was done ages ago.   :silly

just wanted to do a bit of lighthearted GW bashing.   :wry:

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: DRAGON July 05, 2011, 09:29:10 PM
If you ask me, it looks like it has no power  and sits "unaturally" on the stump  :shrug:
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: Amazon warrior July 05, 2011, 09:58:18 PM
The GW one looks like it would suffer from serious dangle-butt issues if it ever tried to fly.  :roll:  (And to me it looks like a skinny, scaly rat with a side order of spikes and wings.)


Andy's... doesn't.  :)
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: Nosferatu July 05, 2011, 10:59:56 PM
 :yawn: GW dragon looks sadly malnourished, perhaps due to not being able to fly with no musculature to manage the wings. Hopefully it will manage to catch and eat something soon. Andy's looks positively menacing in comparison.

I know which I prefer and luckily I have a substantial amount of money invested in the right one.
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: beefcake July 06, 2011, 05:40:14 AM
danglebutt   :lmao:
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: caerban July 06, 2011, 07:53:36 AM
I really don't think they're that alike, they have poses vaguely remeniscent of one anothers. One however is coiled with muscular menace and the other... well doesn't really look like it has a musculature. Or working wing membranes. Or any real dynamism to it's pose.
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: Avicenna July 06, 2011, 08:21:22 AM
I think Andy is quite safe, although the Warhammer Forge guys might pay him a visit and egg his car out of jealousy
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: gi6ers July 06, 2011, 10:57:59 AM
So at the risk of sounding like a broken record, can I buy a dragon head?  Don't mind if it's a miscast....
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: Wanderer July 07, 2011, 06:52:04 PM
I think Andy is quite safe, although the Warhammer Forge guys might pay him a visit and egg his car out of jealousy

Without being funny they should be approaching him and begging to purchase his dragon... That would be the smartest move they ever made...
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: yxalitis July 08, 2011, 06:02:25 AM
I'm more concerned about the preview pictures I've just seen of the new Forgeworld dragon. It looks like they copied morew than Andy's Dragon's pose. It seems like a bit of a poor immitation 'though.

Funny enough my first thought when I saw it was  " That looks like a crap Andy's dragon rip off. "
Funny enough my first thought when I saw it was  "That looks like crap"
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: Tiacapan July 08, 2011, 05:09:16 PM
So I got home from two days in London today (without internet access) to find that my dragon (number 001, sorry so excited couldn't resist putting the number in) had arrived in the post, I've seen it on the Heresy Website and at shows but nothing prepared me for how amazing it is to see it sitting on my desk dwarfing everything else around it. 

It isn't a miniature, it's a work of (insert expletive here) art.  Andy, thanks for sticking with this it is genuinely amazing, all I need to do now is pluck up the courage to assemble and paint the beast.

Too excited to type any more!
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: Avicenna July 08, 2011, 05:15:25 PM
Ooooooh grats!!

Here we go :D Cant wait to see mine!
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: DRAGON July 08, 2011, 05:18:19 PM
Lucky b*st*rd !  :tantrum:
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: caerban July 08, 2011, 06:21:41 PM
So I got home from two days in London today (without internet access) to find that my dragon (number 001, sorry so excited couldn't resist putting the number in) had arrived in the post, I've seen it on the Heresy Website and at shows but nothing prepared me for how amazing it is to see it sitting on my desk dwarfing everything else around it. 

It isn't a miniature, it's a work of (insert expletive here) art.  Andy, thanks for sticking with this it is genuinely amazing, all I need to do now is pluck up the courage to assemble and paint the beast.

Too excited to type any more!

1 down, 14 more to go :)
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: Vermis July 08, 2011, 08:06:14 PM
So I got home from two days in London today (without internet access) to find that my dragon (number 001, sorry so excited couldn't resist putting the number in) had arrived in the post

 :cheers:
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: Tasker July 08, 2011, 09:07:32 PM
So I got home from two days in London today (without internet access) to find that my dragon (number 001, sorry so excited couldn't resist putting the number in) had arrived in the post, I've seen it on the Heresy Website and at shows but nothing prepared me for how amazing it is to see it sitting on my desk dwarfing everything else around it. 

It isn't a miniature, it's a work of (insert expletive here) art.  Andy, thanks for sticking with this it is genuinely amazing, all I need to do now is pluck up the courage to assemble and paint the beast.

Too excited to type any more!

Nothing personal but at this exact moment in time you are the person I hate most on the face of the planet.
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: fredox July 08, 2011, 09:23:24 PM
Waiting on my bill for postage for two of the big guys. good to know the number is going down, even if it will be slowly.
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: Ajsalium July 08, 2011, 11:35:03 PM
So it has started to be sent? :boing: :boing: :boing: :boing: :boing: :boing: :boing: :boing: :boing: :boing:

I am #10 (I am not a number, I'm a free man!), so I'll wait impatiently for the shipping bill. And I'll use that opportunity to add some gangers. :yup:
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: Enazel July 09, 2011, 07:13:20 AM
Right we out of the tunnel, now give us the toys. Still can't believe this is finally shipping.
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: agentmolar July 09, 2011, 09:20:51 AM
Great news.
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: Graeme July 09, 2011, 10:47:53 AM
Mine has arrived as well  :boing: :boing:
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: Tasker July 09, 2011, 11:36:28 AM
So it has started to be sent? :boing: :boing: :boing: :boing: :boing: :boing: :boing: :boing: :boing: :boing:

I am #10 (I am not a number, I'm a free man!), so I'll wait impatiently for the shipping bill.

Hehe, I have no idea what number I am but i'm expecting mine to be despatched sometime around Christmas.    :silly
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: Bewildered Badger July 09, 2011, 11:56:03 AM
Here be Dragons!

Well, one of them at least, but it's rather large so I reckon the others have all been scared away. It scares me, I've never tried anything like this before, and I'm a bit intimidated. I'll wait for the video before trying anything, I think.

Still...

It looks fantastic, really fantastic. Even just lying there in bits (and I must remember to count them all) there's a terrific sense of potential. I just tried pressing the two main body sections together, to get a feel for the scale. Big. Very big. And awesome.

It's a good 'un!
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: caerban July 09, 2011, 08:23:17 PM
What position were you BB? *dances about excitedly*
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: gi6ers July 09, 2011, 09:21:14 PM
What position were you BB?

Tricky question but Andy must've liked it to get one that quick  :whistle:
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: Avicenna July 09, 2011, 09:32:02 PM
Tricky question but Andy must've liked it to get one that quick  :whistle:
LOL!! Welcome to Frothers :D
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: gi6ers July 09, 2011, 09:50:21 PM
took me a few attempts to get it FOD appropriate  :D
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: caerban July 09, 2011, 10:02:52 PM
What position were you BB?

Tricky question but Andy must've liked it to get one that quick  :whistle:

Wackedy-schmackedy-doooooo! :)
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: Bewildered Badger July 09, 2011, 11:47:29 PM
What position were you BB? *dances about excitedly*

Sorry caerban I don't think anyone's ever told me. Although for some reason the number fourteen popped into my head. I may just be imagining that though.

And gi6ers, I refute those allegations! Andy and I have never met, and apart from those pictures I sent him our relationship has been entirely platonic.
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: Amazon warrior July 10, 2011, 12:41:20 PM
I think I'm a very looooong way down the list, but this is thrilling news!   :boing: :woohoo: :boing:

Very jealous of you lucky people that already have yours!  :tantrum:
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: Big Boris July 10, 2011, 02:20:01 PM
Mr Badger was 002 in the list. I've posted 4 so far, the buggers take a bit of careful checking and packing and I had other orders to do at the same time on friday.

UK Dragons shipping is £10.00, by the way. Europe seems to be £22.00 so i'm going to try a few different ways of sending them out to see if the price can come down.
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: Steel Penguin July 10, 2011, 05:05:10 PM
 :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:
checks e mail and message,   no sign of mine yet
reads FoD
 :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:
see line 2
repeat

realy glad to hear that its started to fly Andy, and wile im looking forward to geting mine, this is not a moan, not no way.
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: weareblind July 10, 2011, 05:55:33 PM
 :boing: :boing: :thumbup:
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: Dravi July 10, 2011, 08:57:34 PM
Yipee  :boing:

Not sure what number I am, but think I got in early-ish.

Think I will order a few other things when I get the shipping request. Those goblins are calling my name.
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: Ajsalium July 10, 2011, 09:58:55 PM
UK Dragons shipping is £10.00, by the way. Europe seems to be £22.00 so i'm going to try a few different ways of sending them out to see if the price can come down.

Wow, that's more than I expected. The beast must be really big and heavy. :jawdrop:

Would it be possible to fit a bunch of other minis in the same package? I wanted to order the second hürn and four gangers when the dragon came, to save on shipping.
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: weareblind July 10, 2011, 10:01:47 PM
Would it be possible to fit a bunch of other minis in the same package? I wanted to order the second hürn and four gangers when the dragon came, to save on shipping.
Good question
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: Tasker July 10, 2011, 10:08:59 PM
UK Dragons shipping is £10.00, by the way. Europe seems to be £22.00 so i'm going to try a few different ways of sending them out to see if the price can come down.

Wow, that's more than I expected. The beast must be really big and heavy. :jawdrop:

Would it be possible to fit a bunch of other minis in the same package? I wanted to order the second hürn and four gangers when the dragon came, to save on shipping.

You're kidding aren't you?  That's a hell of a lot cheaper that I expected to be honest.  :shock:
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: Ajsalium July 10, 2011, 10:16:52 PM
It's the £22.00 tag for me. And right now I'm completely skint (new house, and all that...).
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: caerban July 10, 2011, 11:42:13 PM
2 down :)
Nudge me when you want the money, Andy. Hope it doesn't come while I'm still away from home. I'd hate to have him sat all lonely waiting for me. Next to Warpy's dragon, which I still haven't seen yet :(
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: agentmolar July 11, 2011, 12:16:14 PM
I only ask that mine is sent whilst the Aussie dollar is strong. It chagrins me that I paid for mine when the aussie peso was worth nothing. At least the postage won't kill me if its soon!  :thumbup:
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: Tasker July 11, 2011, 01:09:48 PM
It's the £22.00 tag for me. And right now I'm completely skint (new house, and all that...).

Ahhh, fair enough then. 
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: Enazel July 11, 2011, 01:25:27 PM
I think i was around 60, but can't remember I know my darling sister (Gilreth) will get hers a lot sooner, o well get to experiment the best way of pinning and gluing the monster.
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: Big Boris July 11, 2011, 02:03:56 PM
74 - she's 45.
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: Enazel July 11, 2011, 02:08:03 PM
Thanks Andy :).

I believe they be a change of shipping addresses for both dragons, but Gil can sort herself out of that :).
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: Valloa July 11, 2011, 02:27:43 PM
Where am I on the list?   
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: Big Boris July 11, 2011, 02:41:01 PM
70 + 71. Sorry, meant to reply to your email over the weekend, but the file was on the work computer and I forgot when I got in.

By the way, if anyone else wants to know their dragon number, if you could let me know your actual name when you ask it'd save me a bit of detective work finding out your details via your email listed on your profile on here...!
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: Enazel July 11, 2011, 03:09:11 PM
Andy do we have any idea yet how many you going to be shipping a week yet, once the production gets into full swing? are we looking at 10 a week / month / year :). No pressure just want to make sure the modelling area is clear when the first of these monsters arrive.
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: Valloa July 11, 2011, 03:32:56 PM
70 + 71. Sorry, meant to reply to your email over the weekend, but the file was on the work computer and I forgot when I got in.

Thanks!
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: Big Boris July 11, 2011, 05:34:06 PM
Andy do we have any idea yet how many you going to be shipping a week yet, once the production gets into full swing? are we looking at 10 a week / month / year :). No pressure just want to make sure the modelling area is clear when the first of these monsters arrive.

Well, that's one for Ian to answer at the moment...all the pressure is on him, but he has to run his own business at the same time,which is much like mine in terms of stress and lack of funds.
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: Dravi July 11, 2011, 06:08:29 PM
All right, you've got me curious, what number am I?

Cheers,
Craig Anderson

And if it's soon enough, I'll wait the bit and order a bunch of them goblins at the same time. Otherwise I'll need to order them first!
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: Steel Penguin July 11, 2011, 06:57:55 PM
 :metoo:
where is my lovely wife and my self Andy please?  just out of curiosity.....
and i need to clear a landing area, and lay in some gold coins and gems and objet du art.......
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: Beastlord July 11, 2011, 09:08:05 PM
Only 100 more to go!  :boing:

I'm super excited  :D
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: Mortanius July 11, 2011, 09:30:02 PM
Andy do you have any idea on shipping cost going to Canada or USA?
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: Big Boris July 12, 2011, 08:52:26 AM
@Craig - you're number 8 and should go out in the next batch whenever they arrive from Fenris.

@Steel Penguin Remind me of your real name, I can't remember it, sorry.

@Mortanius - will have price in a bit. Need to measure box etc.
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: Dravi July 12, 2011, 01:35:59 PM
Excellent. Now I need to figure how many archers I'd like.
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: Jimmy July 12, 2011, 02:54:03 PM
I know i am way down the list but can I find out my number? I'm also pretty sure my shipping address has changed since the order.

Jim Connolly
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: Big Boris July 12, 2011, 03:02:52 PM
HI Jim - 128 - bit of time yet, I'll contact you when it's nearly ready for updated details, or you can email me with them and I'll update the list accordingly.
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: Jimmy July 12, 2011, 04:39:08 PM
Thanks. Would be a great picture to have all 150 [not sure how deep the rabbit hole goes long the list is] or so built and lined up wouldn't it! :)

Edit: I would love to see some meaningless stats:
combined weight of all ordered dragons
total number of spines/teeth
etc
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: Nosferatu July 12, 2011, 11:27:05 PM
I reckon' Andy would just like to see the back of 'em!  :lol:

...Imagine the relief when the backlog finally gets shipped and post-dragson life can commence! What an ordeal, but I'm sure we'll all be very happy with the result when it arrives.  muahahahaha
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: BulldogUK July 13, 2011, 07:09:37 AM
Oh go on then, what number am I?  :scratchhead:

Shaun Allen
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: Daemonslave July 13, 2011, 09:46:35 AM
Well if everyone else is...

Could you please let me know my number, Andy (I have 64 in my head but I may have dreampt that)

Richard Williams
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: Big Boris July 13, 2011, 09:54:19 AM
@Jimmy try 237!

@BulldogUK 67

@Daemonslave 63

@SteelPenguin 47 + 48 (of course that's your real name, sorry. Tip of my tongue and all that...)
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: caerban July 13, 2011, 11:03:52 AM
What about me Andy? It's not too far is it?
Chris Wylie
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: Big Boris July 13, 2011, 11:34:02 AM
14, Chris... :)
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: tumblebomb July 13, 2011, 01:57:52 PM
Hi Andy, where am I in the list?    Tim Humble  (hope all this aint wasting ur time)
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: Big Boris July 13, 2011, 02:23:11 PM
171, Tim!

Takes no longer than a quick 'find' search on excel.
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: Mortanius July 13, 2011, 09:49:57 PM
Where am I at Andy? I seem to think it should be close too 103...

James bauer
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: Darsc Zacal July 14, 2011, 08:58:28 PM
Hi Andy. I had to finally join FoD as I'm just too curious as to what number I am. Thanks in advance. Darrell Schmidt.

Looking forward to seeing painted pics of those lucky enough to be amongst the first in getting their dragon(s).

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: yxalitis July 14, 2011, 11:47:37 PM
Hi Andy,
I've emailed you, and sent a PM regarding my change of address, can you confirm you have received and acknowledged that?
I am #26, so I don't want the poor dragon being sent to my old work address!
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: leadhead July 15, 2011, 05:15:53 AM
I've been marveling at this creation for quite a while...I could never paint one adequately enough.  But I do think this is the best dragon model (mini doesn't fit) ever produced.  At current market rates, and if the price is still correct, in CAD the dragon costs $310 and change.  Totally worth it, I imagine.
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: Big Boris July 15, 2011, 09:53:01 AM
@Mortanius 97

@Darsc Zacal 113 (Welcome to the FOD!)

@yxaltis Yes, I emailed you back as well. Did you not get it? Address is updated/same already. 485 La Trobe etc
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: Avicenna July 15, 2011, 10:12:56 AM
I am getting excited now... might have to get some airbrush practice in before you get to numbers 38/39!
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: BulldogUK July 15, 2011, 11:49:58 AM
#67 cool! Still gives me plenty of time to get the rest of my sh*t out of the way!  :woohoo:
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: Ishil July 15, 2011, 10:50:38 PM
I might as well know where I am... Andrew Pearce.
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: yxalitis July 16, 2011, 01:55:04 AM
@yxaltis Yes, I emailed you back as well. Did you not get it? Address is updated/same already. 485 La Trobe etc

No...no emails, to what address did you send it to?
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: Brage97 July 16, 2011, 12:16:01 PM
Ok, ok, me too: Where is Brage on the list? Last name Mørk/Moerk
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: Big Boris July 22, 2011, 02:07:08 PM
Sorry for the delay. you wouldn't believe the amount of emails I get these days and the week updating the cart has blown my mind.

@Ishil:       148
@Brage97:   62

@yxaltis: the one you emailed me from. Rest assured that the address is correct, anyway!

I have a big box of dragons in the workshop to go through and carefully check.
Theoretically, up to about number 18 of them.
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: Big Boris July 22, 2011, 02:08:29 PM
PS, so far it's cost me £4275 to get these 18 or so dragons.

Whose idea was this again?
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: Enazel July 22, 2011, 02:23:08 PM
Ouch Andy. I take it some of that cost will spread across more dragons.
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: Big Boris July 22, 2011, 02:31:19 PM
I bloody hope so! Turns out one set of moulds costs way, way more than I had expected, so when i had to re-sculpt it at the start of the year, the second set of moulds that needed to be made didn't help out either. Now waiting to find out how many casts we can get out of them before more are required...which will give the true cost of each dragon.
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: DRAGON July 22, 2011, 05:43:15 PM

I have a big box of dragons in the workshop to go through and carefully check.
Theoretically, up to about number 18 of them.

Only about 16 away from D-day !  :boing:
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: Ishil July 23, 2011, 02:09:06 AM
I bloody hope so! Turns out one set of moulds costs way, way more than I had expected, so when i had to re-sculpt it at the start of the year, the second set of moulds that needed to be made didn't help out either. Now waiting to find out how many casts we can get out of them before more are required...which will give the true cost of each dragon.

It's one thing after another, isn't it. The karma fairy had better have something damn good lined up for you after this.
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: Big Boris July 23, 2011, 10:11:02 AM
It's one thing after another, isn't it. The karma fairy had better have something damn good lined up for you after this.

If it's anything less than the ability to fly I shall feel shortchanged.
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: Geckilian July 25, 2011, 02:39:14 PM
Hello Andy, emailed you asking about what number I am, did it get through?
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: fredox July 25, 2011, 02:53:55 PM
Is somebody going to do an unboxing like Beasts of War? Would be nice to see BoW do one if just for the publicity for Heresy. If not a unboxing even pics in Turn8 would be good for business I'd guess.
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: Avicenna July 25, 2011, 04:57:50 PM
I was thinking of doing one... its always interesting to see that sort of thing - especially if the casting is as good as its rumoured :D I'm #39 (i think) and I'll get it up on my blog as soon as I get a chance.

It'd be in pics as I dont think you'll all want to see my ugly mug :P
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: Big Boris July 25, 2011, 05:18:55 PM
Hello Andy, emailed you asking about what number I am, did it get through?

Yes. Didn't I reply? Sorry. #202.
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: ink the troll July 25, 2011, 05:25:01 PM
I was thinking of doing one... its always interesting to see that sort of thing - especially if the casting is as good as its rumoured :D I'm #39 (i think) and I'll get it up on my blog as soon as I get a chance.

It'd be in pics as I dont think you'll all want to see my ugly mug :P
my dragon arrived today, trust me the casting really is quite good. sure, you'll have to clean up a few bits (but honestly - people not expecting/ willing to do that on a kit this size probably should buy into diecast cars...)

from what i can tell so far it should fit together well enough- only had time to roughly clean up/ test fit left + right body/ wings/ legs/ arms/ tail bits so far, but: quite impressive quality (both the sculpting + the casting)

nobody seems to have mentioned it thus far: the hole thing is very carefully & securely packaged as well!

excuse my even worse than usual english, but on top of being stressed and tired i'm also slightly drunk(ish)
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: gi6ers July 25, 2011, 06:17:05 PM
Has anyone started painting yet?  If not why not!

Not you Inke, drunk with paint isn't a good thing  :D
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: caerban July 25, 2011, 06:27:52 PM
I'm jiggling with anticipatory delight and waiting for Andy to let me know when to send him his P&P.  :boing:
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: leadhead July 25, 2011, 07:15:17 PM
Has anyone started painting yet?  If not why not!

Yeah, wouldn't something of this calibre be put to the immediate forefront?
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: voltan July 25, 2011, 10:17:32 PM
Not you Inke, drunk with paint isn't a good thing  :D

but it could potentially produce an awesome colour scheme  :D
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: ink the troll July 25, 2011, 10:26:40 PM
my worst paintjobs/ ideas usually aren't alcohol  fuelled...

no idea when i will paint the dragon. probably should go hunting for my airbrush and get some practice first (and possibly decide on a colour scheme).
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: Big Boris July 26, 2011, 04:21:49 PM
Dragons 10 (Eneko) and 11 (Douglas) going out today!
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: Enazel July 26, 2011, 04:43:22 PM
SLowly but surely :)
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: Ajsalium July 26, 2011, 04:46:06 PM
Dragons 10 (Eneko) and 11 (Douglas) going out today!

Great! :boing:

But shouldn't I pay for shipping first? :scratchhead:
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: Twosoc July 26, 2011, 05:10:12 PM
Has anyone started painting yet?  If not why not!
I have, its got a red base coat at the moment, I'm waiting for some new washes and stuff to come in before going any further though. I do have the wing colour blocked in too.
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: Cait Sidhe July 26, 2011, 05:22:04 PM
Dragons 10 (Eneko) and 11 (Douglas) going out today!

Woot I was fully paid up back in September last year! Should put me pretty far up the list.  :lalala:

12th!

Aaw c'mon, just one more push.  :woohoo:
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: DRAGON July 26, 2011, 07:50:27 PM
Can we slow down on the shipping Andy ?
I am going to have make good and paint the dammed thing soon !  :christalmighty:  :lmao
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: agentmolar July 27, 2011, 04:08:47 AM
Do I need to get an email regarding shipping? I think I was number 8 at one stage right ( been a while since I've checked)
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: yxalitis July 27, 2011, 05:38:47 AM
Andy,
you should sell the design to Peter Jackson for use as Smaug!
That would net you a nice few thousand pounds, I'm sure.

peter.jackson@thehobbitmovie.co.nz*

It would almost certainly be better then whatever they are coming up with! (Shudders to think!)



*not a real email address
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: Nosferatu July 27, 2011, 12:45:11 PM
11! Excellent, a third of the way to mine!  :smile:
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: caerban July 28, 2011, 02:36:49 PM
It's coming! MU-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH!!!!!  :boing: :boing:
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: Vermis July 29, 2011, 02:11:11 AM
It's coming! MU-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH!!!!!  :boing: :boing:

Burninating the countryside, burninating all the peasants...
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: leadhead July 29, 2011, 02:57:24 AM
It's coming! MU-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH!!!!!  :boing: :boing:

Burninating the countryside, burninating all the peasants...

Sheep too?
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: Big Boris July 29, 2011, 09:41:41 AM
Has anyone started painting yet?  If not why not!
I have, its got a red base coat at the moment, I'm waiting for some new washes and stuff to come in before going any further though. I do have the wing colour blocked in too.

Giz a pic, you have no idea how much I want to see it not-green/grey/etc!
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: Twosoc July 29, 2011, 11:28:27 AM
ok, its not very impressive yet (the paint job that is)  Bear with me and I'll get one done this afternoon.
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: Cait Sidhe July 29, 2011, 02:07:01 PM
The beast arrived yesterday! :froth: :froth: :froth:

I know you're probably sick to look at them Andy given the hassle you've went through to get them finished and out there but, man, you should rightfully be proud of that model. The sheer scale of it coupled with the detail and character of the piece is amazing. It isn't just the dragon either, even the base with the tree roots winding through the boulders is just fantastic and really adds to the whole thing.  :notworthy:

Props to Ian as well for the amazing work on the casting. I've no idea how he even got that tail in the piece it's in and judging by the extra metal tail end included you guys didn't expect it to work either.  :lol:

I do have a criticism though... hiding mint green dragon pieces in mint green packing peanuts!
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: Big Boris July 29, 2011, 02:14:44 PM
Yeah, I've re-cut that tail since then to save Ian the hassle of it. Future castings will have a three piece tail - two parts resin and the end in metal. I've included the metal tail end in the ones we've sent out so far in case people want to swap the resin end for it, it being a bit tougher when it comes to the old snaggy jumper sleeve trick.
(There's one dragon out there where I've done that for them as we only had a miscast resin tail to put in the box.)
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: Big Boris July 29, 2011, 02:15:41 PM
Ian's on holiday for the next week or two I think, so no more dragons for a short while!
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: atacam July 29, 2011, 02:17:55 PM
 :blub: Not happy about that!

crack that Whip  :whip: Andy and get him back, nail the door shut anything, just get me dragon to me :tantrum: :lol:
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: Ajsalium July 29, 2011, 02:48:10 PM
When I've arrived at home after work, a BIG parcel was waiting for me ...

 :boing: :boing: :boing: :boing: :boing: :boing: :boing: :boing: :boing: :boing: :boing: :boing: :boing:

EDIT: I plan on doing that 'unboxing' thing next week. I'll take plenty of pics, and write a review, that will appear in my blog. :yup:
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: Tasker July 29, 2011, 05:22:20 PM
Ian's on holiday for the next week or two I think, so no more dragons for a short while!

 :blub:

Bwaaaahhhhhhh!!!!!!

At this rate it's going to be next Christmas before I get mine.  :blub:
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: Enazel July 29, 2011, 09:06:35 PM
I get my dragon when I get it :). I waited a few years, a few more months isn't going to make that different.
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: caerban July 29, 2011, 11:56:12 PM
Iiiiiiiiiittt's heeeeeeeeeeere! :)
And it's even more awesome than I thought. Spent the evening prepping. Fits together really well except the tree stump which was a bit of a nightmare but got there in the end. Needs some hot and soapy and I'll start putting it together in all its minty fresh glory tomorrow.
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: yxalitis July 30, 2011, 02:19:34 AM
Ian's on holiday for the next week or two I think, so no more dragons for a short while!
Aaaaugh! Nooo!
Did you get #26 out the door before???
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: DRAGON July 30, 2011, 03:51:23 PM
Iiiiiiiiiittt's heeeeeeeeeeere! :)
And it's even more awesome than I thought. Spent the evening prepping. Fits together really well except the tree stump which was a bit of a nightmare but got there in the end. Needs some hot and soapy and I'll start putting it together in all its minty fresh glory tomorrow.
:grrr: :nottalking: :lol:
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: Chwiss July 30, 2011, 08:57:50 PM
Woah!
you have a whole forum dedicated to your stuff?!
I've been missing a lot!
Andy, could you tell me what number I am on your list?

Greetings,
Kurt Grosjean
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: Big Boris July 31, 2011, 02:12:28 PM
Woah!
you have a whole forum dedicated to your stuff?!
I've been missing a lot!

 :lmao: Only had a forum of one kind or another for nearly ten years, Kurt!

Never mind, you're here now, that's the important thing - your number is 120
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: DarthSte August 02, 2011, 03:28:15 PM
I get my dragon when I get it :). I waited a few years, a few more months isn't going to make that different.
That's pretty much my thoughts, although I've only been waiting 9 months for mine, I think.  :smile:
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: beefcake August 03, 2011, 08:52:58 AM
Sounds like a spiney winged baby.
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: DivineVisitor August 05, 2011, 12:06:19 AM
Hey Andy, just another worthless imp logging in to humbly ask what his number in the que is. Been tracking the progress of your Dragon eagerly and threw my money at it within minutes of coming across it.

All the best and hopefully the stress caused by it's shadow will be over soon!

Alan Hunter
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: agentmolar August 07, 2011, 06:07:28 AM
Mine survived the international shipping and arrived on friday!

Very cool, although the thought of putting it all together looks rather daunting.

I think Im going to need to invest in a airbrush to do it justice.
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: Toosh August 08, 2011, 01:02:24 PM
Will someone please please please take a bloomin' picture of it in the box!  I can't believe that no one has done this yet! ;)  Or...have I just missed it?!!
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: Ajsalium August 08, 2011, 01:12:45 PM
Will someone please please please take a bloomin' picture of it in the box!  I can't believe that no one has done this yet! ;)  Or...have I just missed it?!!

Wait a bit... until I finish writing a short unboxing article for my blog.

Not that I took a pic of it in the box, because, honestly, mint green resin pieces submerged in green mint packing foam don't look that cool. :lol:
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: DRAGON August 08, 2011, 05:01:13 PM
You mean the thing has chamealeon camo ?  :jawdrop: :lol:
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: agentmolar August 09, 2011, 12:38:30 PM
Well the green packing foam is the devils invention for this mini. I almost posted a thread titles

Andy  you need to give me the finger.

Because I spent an hour searching through my green packing foam for a spare talon.......... then realised that it is cast on to the tree.  This might need to be a sticky on a thread because my wife who was giving me stick about my dragon for months now, gave me even more once she thought the claw finger was miscast or broken. For the sake of less battered spouses and packing foam over floors using a drop and look method to see if the heavier resin falls out of the clumps of newspaper and green packing foam..... *breath*....... I would suggest the public service announcement.

The finger that appears missing on the dragon is NOT , i repeat NOT broken off or miscast. It is on the tree.  May this announcement save you hours of pain and worry.

That is all.

 :D
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: Twosoc August 09, 2011, 04:07:43 PM
yeah that got me at first.  I was thinking that I'd have to sculpt another, and wasn't looking forward to it.  Sneaky tree.
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: Big Boris August 10, 2011, 10:17:58 AM
Hey Andy, just another worthless imp logging in to humbly ask what his number in the que is. Been tracking the progress of your Dragon eagerly and threw my money at it within minutes of coming across it.

All the best and hopefully the stress caused by it's shadow will be over soon!

Alan Hunter

Hi Alan, sorry for the delay - 174.
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: Big Boris August 10, 2011, 10:19:53 AM
Finger on tree as opposed to on hand for fear of the hand not fitting on the tree if the finger and thumb were both left attached to the hand. So either the finger came off or the thumb had to, as I recall...
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: agentmolar August 13, 2011, 11:13:54 AM
You might want to mention that in some instructions.. :silly I really thought I was missing a finger for an hour or so there.  :erm:
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: beefcake August 13, 2011, 09:24:44 PM
Still waiting for a pic, anyone out there got one yet, even a roughly put together one suspended from a coat hanger?
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: Twosoc August 13, 2011, 11:51:09 PM
Hows this? Bit of a slow start not much done bar the blocking in of colours. Obviously he's missing horns and claws and whatnot, I like to do those separately.  He'll also be on some kind of base for extra stability.

(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/twosoc/dragon2.jpg)
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: Mr Teufel August 14, 2011, 02:52:26 AM
Oooh, that's looking good already! Can't wait to see one of these fully painted - it's going to be magnificent. :boing:
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: beefcake August 14, 2011, 04:41:59 AM
 :metoo:
thanks for the picture.
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: DRAGON August 17, 2011, 09:04:57 PM
How small !?  :shock: I'm going to need a paint roller to undercoat the thing  :lol:
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: gi6ers August 17, 2011, 09:09:26 PM
Hows this?

Bloody brilliant, please keep us posted!  Why not start a WIP thread to keep the pressure on?  I'm guessing your are going for red?
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: leadhead August 18, 2011, 06:07:12 AM
How small !?  :shock: I'm going to need a paint roller to undercoat the thing  :lol:

I think maybe, detonate a four litre can of primer at each of the four compass points surrounding the beastie.  Don't forget to duck if you do.
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: Big Boris August 18, 2011, 09:49:04 AM
There is a finished green one on Facebook by Doug Nelson - not sure if you can see it or not if you aren't on FB or on his friends list. Maybe you can. It's also on my personal FB profile page. You might be able to see it on there if not on this link:
http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.2359409305087.2142748.1245904577&type=1
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: beefcake August 18, 2011, 10:42:35 AM


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bugger
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: Mr Teufel August 18, 2011, 12:30:40 PM
Yup. still borked.
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: leadhead August 18, 2011, 04:08:30 PM
Same result here.
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: Vermis August 19, 2011, 04:50:53 PM
The tyranny of facebook.  Join us or be cast out.
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: leadhead August 19, 2011, 05:14:30 PM
Join us or be cast out.

I'll be a cast away thanks.  I just hope Gilligan isn't here.  *Looks around for Mary-Ann and Ginger*
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: yxalitis August 22, 2011, 07:57:53 AM
Soooo

What number are we up to now?

I am #26, so getting VERY close now... :boing: :boing:
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: Big Boris August 22, 2011, 08:46:20 AM
Still on 17. Ian's been on holiday, and Heresy is flat broke due to having to pay for metal, putty, tools and the spyglass range all at the same time (unfortunate coincidences) so can't pay for more at this moment. Expecting to get some more in in September.
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: LazarusKing August 25, 2011, 08:54:25 AM
I've got a semi-business-y trip coming up, but after that, it's mini time.  My Hurns are getting sick of not having a street gang to kill.  Hopefully my country's economy will stay afloat long enough to make this Christmas as Dragon-y as possible.
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: Ajsalium August 25, 2011, 12:46:59 PM
Still on 17. Ian's been on holiday, and Heresy is flat broke due to having to pay for metal, putty, tools and the spyglass range all at the same time (unfortunate coincidences) so can't pay for more at this moment. Expecting to get some more in in September.

Perhaps your economy would improve if you claimed the shipping costs of the dragons sent so far. I'm still waiting to pay for mine (and buy a few gangers while at it). :yup:
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: Big Boris August 25, 2011, 01:26:24 PM
What was stopping you? I already said, you can paypal me the money direct orders@heresyminiatures.com ;)

Or you can use this confusing addition to the shopping cart:
http://www.heresyminiatures.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=273
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: Enazel August 25, 2011, 04:14:34 PM
And it was well worth the full price I paid. either if I am still waiting. This thing seems like it could break Heresy, and I really don't want that to happen.
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: anatora August 25, 2011, 06:23:57 PM
I seem to be somewhat confused about this whole "not paid enough" thing. In fact, I am really disturbed that so much seems to be wrong with this deal.  I read the information on the link Andy gave regarding shipping and how to go about the process.
Quote:  Shipping or Extra Money For Pre-Ordered Dragon  £1.00 
 
A lot of people have not paid the full £200 for their Dragon, having pre-ordered it back in 2009 when Andy thought it would only take a month or two to sculpt and had been told it would cost a lot less than it turned out to cost here in 2011. 

When 2 dragons were ordered in November, 2010, I waited until Andy said the dragon was finished and on the way to the caster before I ordered and paid the price he quoted in November 2010.  He should have waited to take pre-orders until he had firmed up his contract with Fenris for casting the  needed number of dragons, including the mold costs.  In that time, he would have found out that Fenris could not cast the dragon without making many changes and Andy seemed to have had to foot that bill for their casting problems.  A contract would have put the costs associated with casting mistakes back on Fenris where they belonged, not on Andy.  Then Andy could have taken pre-orders based on a real cost estimate instead of a guess.

The mould cost alone has meant the first 19 Dragons cast up cost  £4975.00 GBP to buy in!  Bearing that in mind, some kind souls have opted to pay the difference between what they were told in 2009 and what the final price has turned out to be. You can use this option right here to pay an amount in £GBP towards the shipping or final price of your pre-ordered Dragon.

19 dragons?  What happened to the 2 extra dragons if only 17 have made their way out to paid customers?  At that price per dragon, what did the caster use under the resin....gold?   By the way, I don't think I have a problem with math, but if 221 people pre-paid 100 GBP for their dragons, Andy should have collected 22,100 GBP from those pre-paid orders.  4975 pounds seems a far cry from 22,100 pounds.  Why wasn't part of this money set aside just for the casting costs as any prudent business person would have done?  It was, after all, a contract between a seller and a buyer.  Yes, things can change, as they did with the caster, but the original deal still stands. Having accepted money based on a price the seller set, it is not up to the buyer to bail the seller our of any difficulty he made for himself.  As with any seller who accepts money for an item he prices, he is obligated to deliver that product, free from defects, to the buyer in a certain time frame, or contact the buyers and give them the options of waiting (without increasing their cost) or refunding the money they pre-paid. That's called consumer law here.

Assuming you have not ordered other items alongside it, your Dragon will cost the following amounts to send:

UK - Special Delivery - £10.00
Europe - Airsure (& insured up to £500) - £18.00
USA/Rest of World - Airsure (& insured up to £500) - £23.00
If you do not choose the correct shipping options, your dragon will not be sent. Andy will email you to discuss.[/b] (unquote)

I have saved a copy of this webpage, just in case the shipping, like the cost, goes up after this date (2011/8/25).  46 pounds seems excessive shipping for 2 resin dragons. At that price, I shall indeed examine it in minute detail and if it is broken, I will be contacting Andy for a new one.  However, at the rate the dragons are coming out, (17 per 2 months, it will be 10 months before he will have mine in hand to ship.  Just thinking about that long wait (10 months since I placed the order and 10 months before I might see them makes me say this to Andy... you are free to refund my money for 2 dragons to my paypal account anytime and my 2 vacant spots will make the waiting list a bit smaller.



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: tumblebomb August 25, 2011, 09:25:56 PM
I'm sorry but you seem to be ill-informed.
NO ONE is asking you to pay more than than the original £100 for the dragons.  Some people have paid more out of purely a personal choice.

 As for the shipping cost it was stated from the get go it would be more expensive than usual, considering that is for USA or rest ofworld. It seems very reasonable to me. I had to fedex something to Denmark from UK before and it cost me £35 with preferential rates as I was sending from the company I worked with. 

Whatever the production method/contract as a customer its not really your business. You pay the money, it gets made and sent to you. Andy is just the kind of person who likes to let the community how things work.

While I also don't like the thought or how much extra time it'll take  to get mine, its a custom artizan piece scultped by craftsmen, moulded and cast by craftsmen and will be worth every penny.   Thats not cheap work!   What you  should expect is probably an estimate of when you can expect your to arrive, is probably law here. ( I don't know where you're from)

Free from defects, what else do you expect?? From every evidence here on the forum and web the dragon will arrive every bit as perfect as you expect!     

How about instead of casting aspersions actually just state your mind!   Or actually read the information on the website/ forum which will be perfectly clear.
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: gi6ers August 25, 2011, 09:36:00 PM
 :thumbup: :D
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: anatora August 25, 2011, 10:42:35 PM
I'm sorry but you seem to be ill-informed.
NO ONE is asking you to pay more than than the original £100 for the dragons.  Some people have paid more out of purely a personal choice.

 As for the shipping cost it was stated from the get go it would be more expensive than usual, considering that is for USA or rest ofworld. It seems very reasonable to me. I had to fedex something to Denmark from UK before and it cost me £35 with preferential rates as I was sending from the company I worked with. 

Whatever the production method/contract as a customer its not really your business. You pay the money, it gets made and sent to you. Andy is just the kind of person who likes to let the community how things work.

While I also don't like the thought or how much extra time it'll take  to get mine, its a custom artizan piece scultped by craftsmen, moulded and cast by craftsmen and will be worth every penny.   Thats not cheap work!   What you  should expect is probably an estimate of when you can expect your to arrive, is probably law here. ( I don't know where you're from)

Free from defects, what else do you expect?? From every evidence here on the forum and web the dragon will arrive every bit as perfect as you expect!     

How about instead of casting aspersions actually just state your mind!   Or actually read the information on the website/ forum which will be perfectly clear.

Thank you for your concern, but I have read every post on this website, Twitter and facebook, and I did state my mind.  That was not casting aspersions at all.  I know I am not being asked to pay more..that is beside the point.  Nor do I care that people have paid more just to help him out.  Nor am I concerned about when the product will be cast and shipped.  As far as arriving every bit as perfect as I expect, it is a long way across the sea and if there are hidden defects in the resin due to bubbles or thin area resin, it may arrive in less  than perfect condition regardless how perfect it looks when Andy packs it up.  I don't think I would be willing to wait another 20 months for a replacement.  What I find appalling is that when such a large amount was collected and, relatively speaking, less than a fourth was spent on the 19 dragons.  He should have enough left to cast at least 80+ more dragons at that high rate for the 19 dragons he quoted and he says in his own words he doesn't have the money.   17 out of 221..not good at all.
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: yxalitis August 26, 2011, 02:37:22 AM
I know I am not being asked to pay more..that is beside the point.  Nor do I care that people have paid more just to help him out.  Nor am I concerned about when the product will be cast and shipped.
So what IS your issue?
As far as arriving every bit as perfect as I expect, it is a long way across the sea and if there are hidden defects in the resin due to bubbles or thin area resin, it may arrive in less  than perfect condition regardless how perfect it looks when Andy packs it up.  I don't think I would be willing to wait another 20 months for a replacement.
Yes, working as intended, IF you get a faulty part, it will be replaced...what's your point?
What I find appalling is that when such a large amount was collected and, relatively speaking, less than a fourth was spent on the 19 dragons.  He should have enough left to cast at least 80+ more dragons at that high rate for the 19 dragons he quoted and he says in his own words he doesn't have the money.   17 out of 221..not good at all.
Ever run a business...I thought not, look, no manufacturing business in the world collects money from one product, and only spends that money on the production of that product, it simply doesn't work that way.
Now reduce the size of the company to one man's garage, and these factors are magnified 200x. Andy, like all small businesses, cannot just leave large sums of cash set aside for a product's development that may be 6, 12, or 24 months down the track, the money is needed to produce a product designed 6, 12, or 24 months in the past, in a cycle of current payments used for prior products.
Andy struck trouble when the dragon took so long, the pool of money ran out, it's that simple, and whilst it's possible Andy could have handled things better, no-one here is anything but supportive and patient with regards to the delivery of our dragon.
In short, pull your head in!
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: leadhead August 26, 2011, 03:50:09 AM
 :metoo:  Very well spoken yxalitis
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: beefcake August 26, 2011, 05:50:11 AM
I also think the difference between the 19 and 17 is that Andy sold off 2 miscast dragons to people who were willing to pay for a miscast product.
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: Valloa August 26, 2011, 07:29:44 AM
Ever run a business...I thought not, look, no manufacturing business in the world collects money from one product, and only spends that money on the production of that product, it simply doesn't work that way.
Now reduce the size of the company to one man's garage, and these factors are magnified 200x. Andy, like all small businesses, cannot just leave large sums of cash set aside for a product's development that may be 6, 12, or 24 months down the track, the money is needed to produce a product designed 6, 12, or 24 months in the past, in a cycle of current payments used for prior products.
Andy struck trouble when the dragon took so long, the pool of money ran out, it's that simple, and whilst it's possible Andy could have handled things better, no-one here is anything but supportive and patient with regards to the delivery of our dragon.
In short, pull your head in!

 

Do YOU or HAVE YOU ever run a business??  Just asking as assuming someone hasn't doesn't mean you are right. And before you assume I haven't, yes, I have.   :smile:


Ok I'm going to throw my 2 cents in here as I am frustrated with this too.

I paid for my dragon, number 70, when the dragon was being molded.   So casting production copies at that point is not a 6, 12, or 24 months down the road expense, that does tend to be an immediate expense.  One that, at this point, is currently only limited by being able to pay for the castings.  Which I do believe is the entire issue here.  Being 70 that leaves 151 dragons paid for after mine which equals at 100 pounds a dragon  15,100 pounds in hand after the dragon was in the molding process. (Note I am not including anyone before me since I know a few paid in full years ago)  At that point you know your estimates for master molds, masters, production molds and production copies and can budget accordingly. If the preorders were unpaid until the dragon could ship, I could completely understand the problem with finances and would be nothing but supportive.  But, having already gotten payment in full from preorders there should have been more than enough to pay for the molds, etc.  and production copies AND still be able to put the rest of the money back into other aspects of the business.  Large businesses have the luxury of spending money that comes in immediately and drawing from elsewhere down the road.  Most small businesses do not have either large or reliably steady income amounts and YES lots of small businesses actually take funds from things like preorder payments and put them towards those products only until the preorder commitment is done. Out of the 22,100 pounds total for the preorder and PREPAID dragons most small companies do indeed have funds that are put aside and not touched to insure they could produce the product. 

I think the entire issue here can be broken down to a few easy points:

Dragons are prepaid, reasonable expectations can be made that any company, especially very small businesses with tight budget, who takes prepayments puts aside money to ensure casting can take place.
22,100 pounds for all the dragons  at least 15,100 pounds in dragon sales (according to the numbers Andy has listed) but only 4,975.00 in costs so far for molds and 19 dragons.   If you take the number of dragons paid for when it was in the molding/casting process only, that is still 10,125.00 pounds that was available to be immediately put aside for the casting of the rest.  None apparently was, even with production immanent.   :blink:

Statements of having made a large personal purchase, two loans, facebook/twitter mentions about not having paid electric bills for 2 years, house up for sale, buying a new addition line before prior commitments WITH such debt, the "use it or lose it thread" and stating that because you are broke you can't cast more dragons...this does not build trust that any company is going to be around long, let alone long enough to actually fulfill that many preorders (especially in the 6 months listed) with only 17 out the door on top of all that.  Am I confident I will see my dragon?  Nope.  Not based on everything said about finances. Do I think Andy will try? Yes, but that is a lot of debt to dig out from and still try to keep a business going, let alone fill that many prepaid and apparently prespent orders.

I can understand production problems that involve sick casters, waiting in the queue for your order to be cast, etc.  That kind of waiting is not a problem to me.   But waiting because of fiscal mismanagement during the casting process and wondering if he can dig out of the debt enough to cast prepaid items.. yeah to me that is very different.   17 dragons every two months (being generous enough in the estimate that enough money could be found to cast that many)  that is over a year just to cast up dragons that people already paid for. Assuming money can be squeezed out.  I can not imagine taking money for something and not putting aside to insure all those preorders could be out my door as fast as my caster could do them and I quality checked them.  I would certainly not touch those funds for anything else business wise until I knew for sure the true costs of the dragons, because until they are done and delivered that money isn't really yours.  Again, I would be plenty patient and supportive if this was true casting problems, but it's not.   

This dragon looks like it would be a beauty in hand and I was sad to have to strongly recommend to several other dragon fans to stay away until the day it's actually in stock to avoid any chance of a New Wave type ride. 
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: Big Boris August 26, 2011, 09:11:01 AM
The only bit I have objection with in your statement, Valloa, is the New Wave jibe. That really pissed me off. I cannot begin to tell you the contempt I hold for the New Wave thing. The rest of your worries, and those of Anatora and presumably a few of the other people who weren't one of the lucky 17 so far, is fair enough, based on how you perceive it.

Where did the money go? Well, where money always goes, as said by the other people, you have to keep the business going and that pot of money suddenly has to be spent because the tax man bills you, or the metal and putty run out. I had saved up several thousand pounds, put to one side, which based on the price I was told the Dragons would originally cost me to buy in, should have paid for the first 100, at one point 150.

Unfortunately, that price was then obliterated when it became clear that Ian had totally underestimated the complexity and time-consumption of the mould. What had appeared to be a reasonably straightforward project proved unworkable. I had to alter the sculpt, the whole set of moulds had to be remade, and the costs per Dragon shot through the roof. Ian has to be paid for his time, and the rubber moulds are where the money is going, rather than the resin cost, which is still substantial per Dragon.

19 Dragons have been billed for by Ian, unfortunately some of the parts were miscast (it took a week or more to check and send out all the dragons individually) - certainly to a degree that a customer would feel obliged to angrily return, which is why 18 and 19 weren't sent out. Quality is the key here. I'll be asking Ian to do some replacement castings to make them full kits. I'm also going to be investigating a potentially speedier process to get some of the parts produced overseas and thus save Ian some of the intolerable workload he's under.

In this industry, unless you have the financial backing that GW, Mantic etc have, then you are governed by cash flow. End of. You can plan and plan and scrimp and save but at the end of each week, things MUST be paid for. And that means you have to use the Do Not Use money if all the other money has run out. You can't plan for everything. The killer for me has been the increase in metal price - tripling in the space of 12 months has done serious damage to my profit margins on all the other stuff that was being used to pay for the Dragons. If I could have prdicted that, i would have spent all the reserved Dragon money on Tin and been rolling around in the cash as I type.

Here's the most important thing: I thought I knew the true cost of the Dragons. Then it turned out I was misinformed, that things had all gotten more expensive over the time it took to finish and that through no-one's fault, the true cost turned out to be a lot higher than the initial numbers. I thought it was all done and dusted back in November last year when the sculpting was 'done' but it took months to get the first casts back and this fact revealed that the whole thing had to be re-cut and re-sculpted and a new set of moulds made, sacrificing money meant for the short term ie Dragon castings, for money saved by making the production process easier in the long term, i.e. the new moulds.

I don't give a crap if anyone believes me or not or thinks it's just sales speak or whatever the hell you want to think. I will send each and every one of these blighted dragons out even if the worst financial outcome imaginable happened and I got made bankrupt. I will find a way to do it. I made a personal promise and I don't break promises. If I was New Wave, I would have turned around and said, 'Oh, well, all those £100 dragon deposits were paid to me as a sole trader, and Heresy Miniatures Ltd is a legally separate entity and doesn't hold any obligations to fulfil those contracts' or some such crap. That's not who I am and not what Heresy is. Those dragons will be sent out. It's just going to take a little longer (as things stand, that is. Of course if the process I'm investigating works out, then it may suddenly all go much more quickly)

As to shipping costs, you've ordered two dragons. They'll weigh 2.5 kgs or thereabouts, depending on how heavy the box is that we'll have to use to send them together. When the time comes, I will find the cheapest secure way of sending them and let you know the cost by email. The price quoted on the site that has dismayed you, is the actual price of sending a single dragon by actual UK mail.  I've rounded it off to the nearest £. If I can find a cheaper method, that's the one I'll offer to you. If you don't want your dragons at that time, you can say so then, and we'll sort out something.

And as to financial woes - if I sell the house, all is sorted regardless of processes etc, I'm back to square one from a personal standpoint but can build from there. Damned thing has to sell eventually. But hey, I should have predicted the housing market slump, right?
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: Big Boris August 26, 2011, 09:13:32 AM
Oh, and if you read the site, you'll see that I too am trying to put people off buying Dragons until we're caught up, unless they don't mind waiting months. But I'd appreciate it if rather than cast me as some money-swindling conman you asked people to maybe buy some of the other stuff in the range in the meantime; it all goes towards getting your Dragons into your hands.
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: Enazel August 26, 2011, 09:24:54 AM
anatora, ok fine I give you the money for your dragon and I take them thanks very much. I will to wait, This a big project and its been something which I think if Andy had seen all the issues from the start he would never have started.

Andy if this idiot is still having ago Refund him and tell him to stick is money, I sure someone else will be quite happy to pay for the dragon.
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: Big Boris August 26, 2011, 09:36:51 AM
Easy there, tiger! Anatora is just understandably concerned because from her POV, this looks similar to what has happened with other companies, ie New Wave. She's worried she will not get his stuff anbd thus has vented her fears on the forum which is what the forum is here for. It's not just for people to say if they like something, it's also for people to air their concerns in a place where others (who might feel the same way but don't like to let me know) can see those concerns and read my response to them.

My response is essentially, "I keep my word, and those Dragons WILL go out. Just eventually, is all." That might suck the hairy dangly objects grammatically, but the message is no less pertinent.
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: Enazel August 26, 2011, 11:14:54 AM
I know Andy, and I sorry for the comment, going to leave it up because it confuse on the respond them. Yes we been waiting for the dragon, a good while, but once the shipping start, Ian had a holiday etc, so delays will happen, its small companies there isn't extra staff to take up slack when main guys go on holiday.
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: caerban August 26, 2011, 11:38:21 AM
The dragon has been both a disaster and a triumph all at the same time. Having mine in my sweaty paws I can tell you that it is undoubtedly the pride of my collection and a beautiful piece of work. Definitely a triumph.
But everything else has been a nightmare. The stresses and strains of the sculpting and production on Andy. The internal changes in the market and in the industry over the time taken to complete. The annoying realities of running a small business. The recent tax hikes and cessation of some UK tax breaks. The sheer complexity of the dragon itself and the problems of casting weighing on Ian. And the sheer amount of time it's taking to catch up on orders. Definitely disasters.
And the problem is that until they have the triumph in their front room people are only going to have the disasters to look at. People are going to be concerned and they have a right to be. So let's not go overboard on the concerned or get impatient with the less patient. Or for that matter get too concerned. Andy has been up front with all the issues via a large number of media, the dragon has never been a project shrouded in mystery, just one heaped with aggravating delays. He will get there, keep the faith. I sure as hell think it was worth it.


But then I've got mine. Nyah! *blows a big raspberry and runs away*
;)
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: Big Boris August 26, 2011, 11:45:58 AM
"Draco Calamitosus Laureola" to give it it's Binomial nomenclature (it's latin name for those of us who don't know what that is, i googled 'latin name')
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: caerban August 26, 2011, 11:52:26 AM
Strictly Andy that should be Draco calamitosus ssp. laureola. Sorry... 2 zoology based degrees means I can't even let fantasy binomial nomenclature slide :)
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: Big Boris August 26, 2011, 12:21:51 PM
:frink:

I stand corrected. :metoo:
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: tumblebomb August 26, 2011, 01:24:46 PM
I was rather drunk when posting my comment!  so you could tell i was: :swear:
Any wait is hard but I know all that will be forgotten once I get my grubby paws on one!
I knew you'd be trying to do something about it Andy!   
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: Vermis August 26, 2011, 03:14:18 PM
Seventies-style music...?

Strictly Andy that should be Draco calamitosus ssp. laureola. Sorry... 2 zoology based degrees means I can't even let fantasy binomial nomenclature slide :)

You big nerd.

Beat me to it.  :lol:
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: agentmolar August 26, 2011, 03:16:40 PM
I can testify that its a beautiful model. Im still in the process of putting it together.

I can completely understand how some people can be worried about receiving their dragon, but I have faith in Andy. He is a top bloke and he has stuck through with this thing even when early on he was worried about completing the project.

To give some support on the whole cash flow business angle. Although I sometimes get paid in advance for jobs ( funnily enough, not a position I like to be in, i prefer to be paid a the end) its hard to actually put money aside when other expenses rear their heads. Particularly when times are tough but the expenses keep rolling in. Having said that the only problem worse that having to pay for expenses after being paid for it months before is completing a job and then the client not paying you at all!!!  Keep the faith people, and remember that the more you complain, the quicker I expect to see it assembled and painted once you get it  :silly :whistle:
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: anatora August 26, 2011, 04:54:33 PM
I wasn't "drunk" when I posted both the initial and the follow-up posts so I feel compelled to make this last response.  It is good to see the rhetoric being toned down.  No one, including myself, wants to see Andy go down, especially for such a headache as this one miniature.  Yes, he is a nice guy and I appreciate a favor he did for me last year, whether he remembers it or not.  I am sorry he is in such a financial state, but by his own words, I have come to understand the sequence of events.  As for the rest of the posters on this forum,  I don't know anything about any of you personally and you don't know much about me, so making assumptions is futile and assumptions are generally wrong. 

I DO run a business ( in fact several), 2 of  which have been in operation since 1986.  The others were started in 1992, 1998, 2000, and 2010.  All but one are still active and doing well.  That one was a miniature/game store that was extremely profitable from 1998 to 2002 when I closed it due to a near-death operation.  During that time, I became quite familiar with New Wave and their lack of business ethics.  I like to think that after being burned by New Wave and the subsequent business I did with Wizards of the Coast that I was a large part of the downfall of New Wave.  Vengeance is not usually a part of my makeup, but that was an exception.  Valloa was right: New Wave use to say "Get people to buy stuff and that will pay for your item" and 9 thousand other excuses.  My experience with that company makes me look at every other order I make with a lot of scrutiny.  The bad taste they left still affects the few orders I am willing to put in to the CMoN store as well as purchases from other companies until they are proven to be trustworthy.  Thus, my order was made for a dragon from Heresy.

I am asked by new clients if I work on retainer, but I prefer to be paid when the work is delivered.  I value my clients and old and trusted ones never fail to pay promptly (maybe being lawyers helps that case).  I work with new clients in a limited way so that my costs are not significant if they fail to follow through.  Being prepaid for a project or product makes a demand that I deliver within a certain window of time and that the product be satisfactory to the client.  That is pressure I do not like on me mentally and physically and that is why I do not take a retainer.  Sometimes life gets in the way of finishing a project on time and not being prepaid gives me extra breathing room.  Yes, we can expect that everything will go smoothly, but, as Andy found out,  we cannot guarantee that it will.

Yes, I have always put a portion of sales in an account that pays for operating expenses and planned purchases, but money ordered by a presale in my game store was always set aside until the item was delivered to the client to their satisfaction.  That way, no surprises came back when something was defective or the item was returned.  Maybe that is part of my reaction to this whole mess.  it is unrealistic to expect extra money coming out of the blue to save you.  Maybe sculpting more new minis might generate sales.  Apparently Andy is capable of putting in more hours to this side of work than spending hours lamenting the dragon affair.  There I go, giving him unwanted advice again.

I don't feel recommending the dragon would be to his advantage right now.  If he truly wants to dissuade people from buying the dragon until he can produce it, then remove the "Buy It button" until he can deliver. Otherwise, that page should inform people who still want to prepay for it that the waiting time is undetermined rather than giving them a false assurance that it will be delivered to them in 6 months.   When Andy resolves his issues, then I will be the first to push that dragon and everything else he can produce. 

I have collected dragons for 20 years and this one would be nice to have.  It is now down to a wait and see. 

@ Enazel
This "idiot" is not a "he", but a "She".  I deserve an apology.
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: tumblebomb August 26, 2011, 05:59:50 PM
Rhetoric is what its all bout here ;)  as well as rampant nerdism. Its very nice to hear a more reasoned tone coming across Anatora. Thats the problem with text based mediums you can never tell tone fully. I'm not usually an irritable git or too reactionary but when things come across badly I can usually rise to the occaision. 

Well getting two different tones from someone who is a lawyer (have I read between the lines properly?), hardly seems unusual. I'm no hypocrite, I work in IT and fully aware of my faults. Namely being a bit Obsessive compulsive, thinking I know everything,  among others I'm sure 8:::   

In case anything doesn't come across properly,  I mean this in gentle humor and a wry smile on my face. Don't take me too seriously (unless I'm having a rant of course)

Roll on more dragon news!
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: Avicenna August 26, 2011, 06:02:06 PM
Hi Anatora :) I think enazel apologised for his comment on the previous page. I think we should probably leave that part of the conversation there rather get hung up on that. People get rather defensive of heresy in situations like this, but it is only because they care. Hopefully Andy's response will alleviate some of your fears

I am thoroughly looking forward to getting hold of my dragon and, like you, will be crossing my fingers that it arrives intact ;) and I'm only a few hundred miles away!

Hopefully you can forgive people's passionate response to your post - don't take it to heart

Take care

Peter
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: anatora August 26, 2011, 06:34:26 PM
@ tumblebomb
No, I am not a lawyer, but my clients are, along with law enforcement agencies. Maybe that is why I don't worry about getting paid.   Generally I am a reasonable person, but I do have my moments.

@ Avincenna
I think Enazel apologized  on the previous page to Andy, but you are right that that part of the conversation is not worthy of being pursued.   I don't take "people's passionate response" to my post to heart.  If I  speak my mind, and they take exception, I have no problem with that.  Just don't assume you know the person's background who posts on these forums. 

Subject dropped from this end.
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: Enazel August 27, 2011, 11:47:42 PM
Actually Anatora i said and I quote "I sorry for the comment" not directed at your or Andy, I made a comment that was out of line with the forums, whatever my feelings on the situation are, as for the he / she. I pretty much assume everyone is male, because I can promise you I will get less aggro calling a lass, he than I would called a lad, her.
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: Twosoc August 27, 2011, 11:53:38 PM
what was new Wave?
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: Klute August 28, 2011, 01:33:08 AM
what was new Wave?

A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away .............
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: Enazel August 28, 2011, 06:52:08 AM
And we really don't want to go back there.
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: yxalitis September 05, 2011, 02:04:42 AM
Wow, way to silence the whole thread!
I am sure there are lots of other things to talk about, then some ancient company collapse.

Like...WHERE'S MY DRAGON! :tantrum: :tantrum:

LOL, kidding...! :lol:

but seriously, where is it?

(Dodgeball reference, "White Goodman: There's no reason we need to be shackled by the strictures of the employee-employer relationship. Unless you're into that sort of thing. In which case, I got some shackles in the back. I'm just kidding. But seriously, I've got 'em. ")
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: yxalitis September 05, 2011, 02:12:16 AM
Great film, by the way

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3A_WXBpT6ag
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: Big Boris September 05, 2011, 09:09:30 AM
Waiting on Ian to send me the masters back so I can send them elsewhere to see if they can be produced more easily/quickly. Meanwhile, paying off my bill by making moulds and casting up a few bits for him in return.
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: Big Boris September 05, 2011, 09:18:39 AM
Note: not all the masters, just the really horrible bits that are causing all the delays due to miscasts, trickiness, etc.
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: Enazel September 05, 2011, 02:23:41 PM
Good luck Andy :)
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: Bergil September 05, 2011, 04:55:25 PM
Might be able to turn it into one of those garden centre ornaments, the dragon twists around doesn't it? So it could have a solid center of some sort.

Make alot of money doing garden ornaments you can...  :paranoid2:
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: RiTides Nids September 15, 2011, 10:33:14 PM
"Oh, and if you read the site, you'll see that I too am trying to put people off buying Dragons until we're caught up, unless they don't mind waiting months."

At this point, it would seem to make sense to remove the dragon from the ordering page, and not dig the hole any deeper than it already is.

With less than 20 dragons out, "months" is probably not accurate. It is approaching 3 years since some of the first preorders were made... with less than 10% of the current orders filled.

Don't dig the hole any deeper... stop taking dragon orders until you've gotten at least the preordered ones out. I'm not even sure if "months" is accurate for that.

To echo the posters above, if this were able to be produced, I'd recommend it to others in a heartbeat. But clearly it's not. I also think it's a little naive to say that the mold was expected to be easy. A miniature this large with giant wings et al is going to be difficult almost no matter what.

Not trying to beat a dead horse here, but it's good to be straightforward about these things. At this point, taking more dragon orders could do more harm than good. It's rather perilous to do so...

I am thankful that you allowed me to trade my order to some of your other models in early '10, after waiting over a year (preorder had been placed in January '09). I see now that the preorder page says "not available to trade". I really, really think these should not be available to order until you've gotten them out. 200 pounds is a lot of money to take with no end goal in sight. A disclaimer just doesn't cover it.

I won't beat the drum and keep replying in this fashion, but I check this thread periodically hoping that progress has happened, and with 17 dragons out... it's really time to take that page down. It's the first link that shows up at the top when you go to the main Heresy page, and despite the disclaimers, I think listing it for sale at all is deceptive at this point.

Also, there was a really big ruckus a long time ago in this thread now about the order the dragons would be sent out in. You can see how that matters now, with how slowly they are being sent. I think it was unprofessional to pressure people to finish paying off their preorder to hold their spot in line, and I think it's unprofessional to continue to take more orders for this when the others are so delinquent.

Not trying to be crass, just honest... I would have absolutely no problem with Heresy if the line was "We got overwhelmed, we're trying to catch back up, we'll put it back on sale once we have". But to continue to take money for this model almost 3 years later? I think it is very irresponsible and should stop...

And again I won't keep replying in this fashion, but I figured I'd try one more time. I know a lot of people who post here are big fans of Heresy, but this has to stop... links to that page get posted on forums, people not knowing the history probably have been tempted to preorder it, and will in the future... and that's just not fair to them or a professional way of dealing with customers, despite the time estimate disclaimer on the ordering page.

It should simply be a "status" page, perhaps with an email sign-up for when the product does become available. If that were the case, again, I'd have no problem with Heresy... but as it is, I think this is absurd and has to stop soon. If there are only a few more are out by Christmas, will you see reason then? Or continue to allow people to order this without knowing when you can possibly deliver on the 200 pound commitment...

As long as that is the case, I will continue to have a major problem with Heresy, and the way that this business is continuing to be conducted despite all the problems and delays with this model led up to this point, and which cannot reasonably be assumed to be on the verge of being solved. Hence, the waiting time being "months" is deceptive, and people should not be able to order now, paying 200 pounds, for something that is not likely to be delivered... even in 2012 at this point :-/

Just my $0.02 and hopefully not too offensive, just honest about what has become a taxing situation for all, I'm sure... and even is being an outsider looking in on the process.



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: beefcake September 16, 2011, 05:02:33 AM
 :yawn:
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: Big Boris September 16, 2011, 08:25:21 AM
The last three people to buy the dragon (on the new site, and since it's become definite about waiting times etc) have all been emailed by me when they ordered it to double check they knew there was a long wait involved and that they understood this and were OK with it. They were all OK with it.
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: Lachs September 16, 2011, 12:24:29 PM
: Big Boris on twitter
Put an order in for next batch of dragons, now rent has been covered for next quarter. Procreate will have to wait...

Is number 21 inside the next batch of dragons?  :D *fingers crossed*
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: Big Boris September 16, 2011, 12:30:48 PM
Yes, it should cover numbers 18 - 30, assuming all goes well
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: Lachs September 16, 2011, 01:02:41 PM
Yes, it should cover numbers 18 - 30, assuming all goes well

 :lalala:
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: fredox September 19, 2011, 01:14:57 PM
Somehow I managed to forget about paying the postage until seeing dragons up to No. 30 should be on their way. Still looking forward to it.
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: DRAGON September 19, 2011, 03:33:02 PM
Soooooooooo.................. close !  :grrr: :lol:
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: dracon magis September 20, 2011, 01:01:04 PM
we need more pictures
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: Mr Teufel September 20, 2011, 01:16:10 PM
 :metoo:

Agreed.
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: yxalitis September 21, 2011, 04:20:43 AM
Yes, it should cover numbers 18 - 30, assuming all goes well
Oh my God, oh my God, Oh My God!

That's Me, YAYAYAYAY
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: yxalitis September 30, 2011, 03:14:33 AM
Wow...

 :erm:

Quiet 'round here....
 :whistle:

They say no news is good news... :hmmm
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: Big Boris September 30, 2011, 09:11:15 AM
It takes a while to cast them up, plus Ian had to move house last week. Which makes it slightly more difficult to cast them up.
As soon as the next batch comes in, I'll let you know, promise.

We had one Dragon go awry, so there are now 18 sent out instead of 19 as one had to be sent as replacement. I think it may be due to paperwork falling down the back of Craig's desk. Shan't happen again.

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: agentmolar October 16, 2011, 12:16:44 PM
Has anyone actually put theirs together yet? Ive finally cleaned off the flash and tested the pieces, Ive assembled the torso and started procreate gap filling. Just the time I've had to spend doing this has made me appreciate the amount of scales this bugger has. Its been scary trying to replicate Andys work with my gap filling. My hats off to you Andy for creating this beasty.

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: weareblind October 16, 2011, 02:15:44 PM
At the present time, Andy, you've sent 18 Dragons, don't you? Agentmolar, please post some pics of your assembly passages!
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: DRAGON October 16, 2011, 07:44:27 PM
At the present time, Andy, you've sent 18 Dragons, don't you? Agentmolar, please post some pics of your assembly passages!
:metoo: Any news on the next batch Andy ?
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: fredox October 16, 2011, 08:28:41 PM
Pretty please with a cherry on top
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: yxalitis October 17, 2011, 03:06:37 AM
Yes, I was hoping to have mine by Christmas (OK, Christmas 2010, but wah eva!)
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: Big Boris October 17, 2011, 09:42:25 AM
Don't know. Ordered them a couple of weeks back as I mentioned, but haven't heard from Ian yet.

Have been knocked back on the spincasting front - Ed at Trollforged says he's too busy with work... :(
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: geronimo October 17, 2011, 10:14:29 AM
Don't know. Ordered them a couple of weeks back as I mentioned, but haven't heard from Ian yet.

Have been knocked back on the spincasting front - Ed at Trollforged says he's too busy with work... :(

Sorry, Andy....house move and now organising builders in the new place have all taken more time away from work than intended. Add to that the fact there was other contract casting already in the queue (finished as of yesterday evening) means the dragon's been squeezed in whenever there's been a clear space on the casting benches.

Should be up to speed with dragons as of tomorrow, expect the next batch in roughly a fortnight.
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: fredox October 17, 2011, 12:49:37 PM
Thanks for the update. A little bit of information goes a long way.
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: Avicenna October 17, 2011, 12:53:40 PM
I thought we were up to #30...?
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: Big Boris October 17, 2011, 01:13:04 PM
Not yet, no. This batch I'm waiting for will hopefully take us up to that.
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: Avicenna October 17, 2011, 01:38:41 PM
Aaaah - sorry :)
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: agentmolar October 17, 2011, 02:21:15 PM
Finally finished gap filling the torso. Ive glued the neck in place, gap filling tomorrow night.
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: foolishman October 21, 2011, 10:33:17 AM
Hi Andy,

Well done on the new site - looks good.

I wasn't going to ask, but I've finally had to give in - can you tell me where I am in the queue please?

Thanks,

Harvey Barrington
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: Big Boris October 21, 2011, 10:43:41 AM
176, Harvey!
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: Balgin Stondraeg October 21, 2011, 05:44:52 PM
176, Harvey!

Funnily enough I thought I| was around the 180th-210th place in the queue but haven't asked yet as I know how far away that is.
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: yxalitis November 02, 2011, 04:15:02 AM
...looks at watch...

one fortnight later....

Looks in mailbox...

Hmm..... :shrug: not yet...
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: dracon magis November 11, 2011, 09:36:13 PM
bird is the word :metoo:
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: Big Boris November 11, 2011, 09:42:48 PM
I'm sure Ian will have some news on that front any day now...
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: geronimo November 13, 2011, 09:51:50 AM
I'm sure Ian will have some news on that front any day now...

In the workshop on a Sunday, trying to get the last couple of castings done  :(

Combination of organising builders & electrician at home and needing to take a couple of days out for a burial up in Lincs, on top of the normal day-do-day one man casting madness, plus the sheer amount of time the dragon kits take,  all to blame.

Hoping to have a box full ready to go out on Tuesday....
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: Big Ned November 14, 2011, 06:48:30 AM
*Rubs hands together in anticipation*

Oooh-hooo getting close now. :)
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: DRAGON November 14, 2011, 06:02:28 PM

Hoping to have a box full ready to go out on Tuesday....
How many in the box ?  :whistle:............... 16 would be a nice handy number............. :angel:
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: leadhead November 18, 2011, 05:35:51 AM
I bet it'll be 15...not that it matters to me as I would be 'done away with' by my spouse if I'd ordered one.  I would still really really really like to be able to afford one or just to see one in person.
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: DRAGON November 18, 2011, 07:59:19 AM
I bet it'll be 15..
:grrr: :lol:
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: Big Boris November 18, 2011, 08:45:03 AM
I'll let you know what number we get up to soon, as I'm expecting the next box to arrive today. Might not get a chance to check all the bits though, it takes a lot of time and careful scurtiny and I've got to go home and tidy the house ready for a viewing tomorrow am so bit pushed today. Got to work out to fix a leaking mixer tap, for one thing.
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: Big Boris November 18, 2011, 10:54:05 AM
BY the looks of it after a cursory glance, there's at least 5 dragons that are as good as it gets, no tiny holes or nothing, but there are a few miscasts here and there amongst the remaining pieces so further inspection is needed over the weekend.
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: Big Ned November 18, 2011, 06:26:45 PM
18 + 5 = 23

I'm 24 doh!

I hope there's at least one more that passes scrutiny.
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: Darsc Zacal November 19, 2011, 06:45:45 AM
Hey there Andy. I tried logging into the Heresy store to check it out, but it won't recognize my email addy. I know that there's been changes to the site since I ordered the Dragon, do I have to reregister?
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: Big Boris November 19, 2011, 07:26:05 AM
Yes, the old shopping cart didn't actually have customer accounts, it used cookies to remember people, so you'll need to make a new account.
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: BulldogUK November 19, 2011, 08:22:30 AM
Does the above mean we all have to re-register Andy or is the original list still in hand and applies mate? I'd hate to miss my turn due to a clerical error!
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: Big Boris November 19, 2011, 11:07:06 AM
I have two separate lists of all the people who have paid for a Dragon - the site didn't store those anyway in the last cart version. You will need a customer account to order in futurebut I have everybody's details on the Dragon List, fear not.
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: yxalitis November 19, 2011, 11:47:02 PM
I'm number 26, so with any luck, I'll be in the next shipment.

and, ummm , Andy :erm:

Your new avatar freaks me out...!
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: voltan November 20, 2011, 08:20:02 AM
and, ummm , Andy :erm:

Your new avatar freaks me out...!

Everybody loves Hypno-sculptor  :shock:
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: Vermis November 20, 2011, 02:57:02 PM
All glory to the hypno-sculptor.
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: slah November 20, 2011, 10:25:40 PM
Hi Andy,

could you tell me what number I have in the queue?

Order nr: 43352411

Thanks!
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: Vermis November 20, 2011, 11:06:18 PM
That is your number in the queue.






























 :angel:
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: weareblind November 21, 2011, 11:15:14 AM
That is your number in the queue.
:lmao:
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: Ishil November 21, 2011, 07:46:18 PM
That is your number in the queue.

 :blub:
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: Big Ned November 21, 2011, 08:01:57 PM
Any word yet on how many dragons will be going out in the next batch?
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: agentmolar November 25, 2011, 11:33:33 AM
That is your number in the queue.


You are evil :)
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: Big Boris November 27, 2011, 11:40:47 PM
I am only relaying the information I am given. Next tuesday I was told, but it didn't pan out. The dragons arrived on the friday, and Craig sent them out last week. I had thought the 5 people in question might mention it on here. 5 went out this week. The other 5 aren't quite up to scratch IMO unless you don't mind lots of tiny little air holes or miscast wing ends. Will be contacting the next few people in the list (those who only paid the £100 may be happy with this) to see if they want to wait longer or are happy to get slightly imperfect castings, which will help everyone out. Yours is one of those dragons, Richard, Would you prefer to get a slightly miscast version, or wait another week or more for Ian to send better casts to me in amongst his christmas workload for Fenris? Let me know by pm or email if you're interested, I'll take some pics of the parts in question.

Meanwhile stuff is happening behind the scenes that if I told you about, you might mistakenly assume was happening instantly. So I'm not telling you about the specifics, because there aren't really any definite ones yet, only that I am investigating how to cast resin my self to try to speed things up and that interesting rumours have reached my ears that if they come to pass - no timescale is attached, it's something in development - might radically change the industry as a whole or might be a big waste of everybody's time. Unfortunately, there's only one way to find out and that's to risk yet more money on it. In theory it could make things a LOT quicker. (It's not plastic, before anyone asks). I'm also trying to find other ways of achieving the same thing, but have been turned down by the people I approached due to their workloads.
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: Ajsalium November 28, 2011, 12:06:10 AM
I'm just too curious. TrollForged or something else I'm completely clueless about?
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: Darsc Zacal November 28, 2011, 12:26:13 AM
I'm curious too. I'm guessing perhaps a new resin composition that is easier to cast with fewer drawbacks? With so many companies such as GW, Privateer Press, Mantic, Black Scorpion, Reaper, etc switching from metal to plastic/resin, to at least some degree anyway, I'd imagine that a lot of resin compositions are being experimented with for that "perfect" formula.

Of course if you're talking about something completely different, then just ignore my post.  ;)
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: Big Boris November 28, 2011, 07:30:53 AM
You both get points. Ed at Trollforged is too busy to do the dragon (I will persist in begging him) and there are rumours of a new spincastable resin being worked on by certain resin suppliers. No idea what Adam's new process is over at Black Scorpion, he won't drop any hints!
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: Avicenna November 28, 2011, 08:51:36 AM
No idea what Adam's new process is over at Black Scorpion, he won't drop any hints!

Oh... that IS disappointing. There is nothing like having a decent support structure around you in a time of need...
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: Big Boris November 28, 2011, 10:18:51 AM
He's looking to get patents etc, so it would be unwise of him to say anything at this stage ( especially as I am a notorious conman when it comes to officially patenting other people's ideas.) as it's all too easy for info to get out to the wrong people.
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: Big Boris November 28, 2011, 10:19:49 AM
I'm fascinated to know what it is, I have to say... all he'd tell me is it was a new process.
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: Big Ned November 28, 2011, 11:10:54 AM
I picked up my dragon this morning from the sorting office (missed the delivery on Saturday).

I've had a quick look over it before work and I have to say, it looks amazing.

I can't  wait to get home and have a proper look.
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: weareblind November 28, 2011, 12:17:52 PM
Please post some pics!
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: Avicenna November 28, 2011, 01:07:48 PM
oooooh :D

Most definitely going to do a 'box opening' review when mine turns up :) I can't wait
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: Big Ned November 28, 2011, 10:26:11 PM
Well I've gotten home from work, and had a chance to get all the bits out and check them over and...

At the risk of sounding like a gushy fanboy I've got to say the quality is nothing short of astounding.
The level of detail that has gone into this model is ridiculous, little things like how the skin/scales have bunched up on the neck where the dragon has turned it's head. The feeling of natural motion that the whole thing gives off, there's nowhere that I can see where Andy has skimped where the sculpting is concerned.

I'm no noob either I've been collecting miniatures for nearly twenty years and, this is in fact my 3rd big dragon. I've also got a Forgeworld Fire Dragon and the Colossal Red Dragon from D&D, and neither come close to this level of detail, quality or scope.

As I'm sure others with tell you who have seen one of these in the flesh, pictures don't come close to doing this model justice.

And as requested here's some pics of the pieces.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/big_ned/Heresy%20Dragon/HPIM1587.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/big_ned/Heresy%20Dragon/HPIM1586.jpg)
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: Vermis November 29, 2011, 02:24:23 AM
:D :thumbup:
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: weareblind November 29, 2011, 08:28:06 AM
Thanks a lot! I thought it was made of hundreds of shiny little pieces... Here I see a Solid Ball of Rock.  :thumbup:
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: Big Boris November 29, 2011, 09:14:04 AM
Weirdly, the tails Ian sent in the latest batch are still in one piece castings - was sure that we'd had a new mould made, so that the tail came in 3 easier to cast sections - two resin, one metal...
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: DRAGON November 29, 2011, 09:24:26 AM
 :drool: stop showing me pictures !  :blub:
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: geronimo November 29, 2011, 11:40:27 AM
Weirdly, the tails Ian sent in the latest batch are still in one piece castings - was sure that we'd had a new mould made, so that the tail came in 3 easier to cast sections - two resin, one metal...

Old mould was still hanging in there, and it's quicker to cast single-piece tails than three separate ones...but it's gone to the great mould house in the sky now, so kits from now on will be 3-parters.
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: Avicenna November 29, 2011, 01:05:03 PM
Its still awesome!
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: Lachs November 29, 2011, 02:46:38 PM
Where is the postman?  :tantrum:

Hopefully i get my dragon before the weekend. Can't ....wait....any...longer....   :silly
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: slah December 01, 2011, 05:14:39 PM
Hi Andy,

could you tell me what number I have in the queue?

Order nr: 43352411

Thanks!

After much hilarity at my expense :D - I´m gonna bump this one :)
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: Big Boris December 01, 2011, 05:25:39 PM
175, Niels.
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: slah December 01, 2011, 09:44:04 PM
Excellent! ...Sort of...

At least I have a number to aim for now :P

But no hurries on my account, I would rather have a good cast than a rushed cast.
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: dracon magis December 03, 2011, 02:46:28 AM
You both get points. Ed at Trollforged is too busy to do the dragon (I will persist in begging him) and there are rumours of a new spincastable resin being worked on by certain resin suppliers. No idea what Adam's new process is over at Black Scorpion, he won't drop any hints!

get in line i still have a daemon that i sculpted (amaturely) awaiting production
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: weareblind December 03, 2011, 08:35:22 AM
Pics pics!
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: Big Ned December 03, 2011, 09:16:30 AM
I thought rather than choking this thread up with pics I'd just post a link to my photo buckect album where I am uploading WIP pics of the dragon

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v316/big_ned/Heresy%20Dragon/ (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v316/big_ned/Heresy%20Dragon/)
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: weareblind December 03, 2011, 01:48:29 PM
 :thumbup:
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: Avicenna December 03, 2011, 02:59:35 PM
Brilliant photos ned - thanks for sharing!
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: Lachs December 05, 2011, 08:10:51 PM
 Dragon, dragon  :woohoo::

(http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/2074/packaget.jpg)
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: Big Boris December 05, 2011, 08:13:21 PM
'Fragile' doesn't mean 'cushion' or 'pillow' or 'stepladder' in German, does it?  :shock:
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: Lachs December 05, 2011, 08:38:41 PM
Fragile is "fragil" in german, too.  :shrug: But the package looks now like a pillow.  But now is unboxing time.  :lalala:

Edit: All dragon parts without damage!

The casting quality is almost perfect.  And the dragon itself, only WOW.
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: Ajsalium December 05, 2011, 09:25:53 PM
I still think "Small Packet" is rather misleading in this case. :lol:
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: DarthSte December 06, 2011, 10:19:40 AM
The box does look pretty beaten up!

And "Small Packet"! What's that about?!
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: Big Ned December 09, 2011, 09:52:23 PM
I've finished assembling my dragon now.

No problems outside the usual hijinks when working with resin models.

It's truely a beauty to behold

here's a few pics
 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/big_ned/Heresy%20Dragon/20111209_213545.jpg)
 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/big_ned/Heresy%20Dragon/20111209_213556.jpg)

and for size comparison:-
 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/big_ned/Heresy%20Dragon/20111209_213648.jpg)
 
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: beefcake December 09, 2011, 10:00:58 PM
That looks awesome asssembled, and looks way better than that other dragon. The pose is so much cooler. Musuclature etc are waaaaayy better.
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: Vermis December 09, 2011, 10:01:21 PM
 :D :D :D

(I know which one I'd put my money on.)

(I know which one I did put my money on!)
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: geronimo December 10, 2011, 09:49:27 AM
Great "versus" pic  :wink:
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: Avicenna December 10, 2011, 03:32:21 PM
phwoar!
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: DRAGON December 10, 2011, 04:02:37 PM
 :drool:
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: weareblind December 10, 2011, 05:20:50 PM
:drool:
:metoo:
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: gi6ers December 10, 2011, 07:09:15 PM
What colour are you going for Big Ned?

So jealous of the owners, not that I've ordered one but I just don't have the space for it.


Still want to paint her/his head though  :D :D
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: Big Ned December 10, 2011, 09:21:59 PM
What colour are you going for Big Ned?

Considering how realistic the musculature is and the pattern of the scales I was thinking of a realistic crocodillian scheme. A green/brown scheme with rather sharp highlights.

I was wondering actually if Andy had a colour in mind when he was sculpting it.
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: Big Boris December 10, 2011, 10:43:48 PM
What you just said, actually. Pale undersides fading to very dark spines. Take a look at crocs, or the film Reign Of Fire.
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: Darsc Zacal December 10, 2011, 11:06:43 PM
Andy... Your avatars are getting more and more disturbing.  8:::

I've been debating between a green or a red colour scheme for when I get my dragon as well.
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: Big Ned December 10, 2011, 11:37:32 PM
What you just said, actually. Pale undersides fading to very dark spines. Take a look at crocs, or the film Reign Of Fire.
That's funny, Reign of Fire is one of my colour references I've collected.
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: yxalitis December 11, 2011, 01:33:15 AM
I've had no luck with red, it just doesn't seem to...work  :(
I'll probably start out with a very dark green, like Olive or something, then start dry brushing lighter shages, right up to am almost fluro green on the tips, then wash them all back with some brown washes.
The base will be creamy, washed back with yellow.
That's my plan, anyway, but if it turns out yellow and purple, well, there ya go!
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: fredox December 11, 2011, 02:37:27 AM
Anyone ever see the film Flight of Dragons? I was thinking of trying some of the looks from that.
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: beefcake December 11, 2011, 03:23:05 AM
The evil dragon from that would be awesome. Black and pinky purple.
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: Darsc Zacal December 11, 2011, 06:34:13 AM
Anyone ever see the film Flight of Dragons? I was thinking of trying some of the looks from that.

Never heard of it so I gave it a google and found the opening sequence on YouTube.

Was not expecting it to be an old Rankin Bass cartoon. It sure starts off a bit oddly. Is the rest of the movie any good?

Also noticed that the opening narration was by Harry Morgan, who passed away only a few days ago.
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: beefcake December 11, 2011, 06:48:30 AM
I really liked it. The evil wizard is voiced by... oh crap I forgot his name, same guy that did Darth Vader. I haven't seen it in ages and would probably cringe seeing it these days.
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: Big Ned December 11, 2011, 07:00:28 AM
I really liked it. The evil wizard is voiced by... oh crap I forgot his name, same guy that did Darth Vader. I haven't seen it in ages and would probably cringe seeing it these days.

James Earl Jones
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: beefcake December 11, 2011, 09:43:59 AM
Oh yeah. How could I forget that name?!
Thanks
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: weareblind December 11, 2011, 01:08:16 PM
Andy, do you have a business chronoplan about the production of the next dragon batches?
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: Tasker December 11, 2011, 07:27:39 PM
 :metoo:

Wouldn't mind knowing myself to be honest.

Not too fussed about the wait as I know i'll get mine eventually, but a rough idea would be good to know.

( Hehe, ages ago I posted that it would be Christmas before I got mine... Didin't realise it would be the Christmas after next.   :silly )
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: fredox December 11, 2011, 09:36:39 PM
Was not expecting it to be an old Rankin Bass cartoon. It sure starts off a bit oddly. Is the rest of the movie any good?

I'm not sure it would stand up to viewing today by an adult that didn't see it and enjoy it as a kid. But, as somebody that did I'll watch it every time it's on tv.

I've got 2 dragons on order so am tempted to paint one up in Gorbash colours and the other in Bryagh but will wait until I have them in my hands to decide.
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: yxalitis December 15, 2011, 11:01:11 PM
I got mine!!!!

 :boing: :woohoo: :boing: :woohoo: :boing: :woohoo: :lalala:

It's better than I imagined!

The quality of the casting is very good, the fit is excellent, certainly any person experienced with resin models will have no issues assembling the beasty.

The extra choices of tongue and horns are a nice touch.

I will have a great time building and painting this magnificant miniature.

Thanks Andy, hopefully you can rope in some more casters, and push more out the door.

Cheers!
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: yxalitis December 19, 2011, 06:03:28 AM
Well, assembly so far has been very easy, lots of filing and cleaning, but once the prep is done, it all comes together nicely.

...well...

Except for that DAMNED FINGER

Here’s' an idea, make the finger available as a SEPERATE PIECE@!!!
Resin and moulding being what they are, the chances of the whole base, lef t leg, right leg, arm, and tree ALL coming together in  perfect alignment are nigh on zero.
The IMPORTANT fits are the legs and arm, they are very visible, and MUST be good, the tree and rock are not, chuck it anywhere, use green stuff to make new roots.
But having that finger on the tree makes aligning everyrhing a nightmare..

So, chop it off, let the arm rest ANYWHERE on that stump, who cares?
I’d hack it off, but then I’d have 2 faces to rebuild in green stuff…and that sound like effort.

I’d rather fling a few bob, and get a new finger…
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: Big Ned December 19, 2011, 07:28:54 AM
The finger on mine was only out by a few mm so I put pins in the finger, shoulder and the hips, then gave it a quick soak in near boiling water and gave the model a quick bend into shape.

In other news, I've used the spare tail Andy provided to test out a colour scheme:

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/big_ned/Heresy%20Dragon/2011-12-19071633.jpg)

I've used the flash so you can see the colour better.
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: Big Boris December 19, 2011, 07:34:30 AM
Make a pin for the finger to hand and from tree stump to base, so that everything slides neatly into position, then you have to attach the arm to the main body and the main body to the legs all at the same time, I found. That way, nothing is massively out of position, it all lines up.

One of the perils of any multipart kit is that stuff that fits perfectly on the masters doesn't always on the castings. I had to leave the finger on the tree (I thought) as it wouldn't go around the tree if left on the hand due to the curve of the finger and thumb. For some reason it never really occurred to me to just make it a separate finger.
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: Big Boris December 19, 2011, 08:19:25 AM
I'll see about sorting out a separate metal finger when I mould the head etc over my Christmas 'holidays'. You'll need to carve the old one away from the tree but that's not difficult. Don't do it until I've got the replacement done though!
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: yxalitis December 19, 2011, 08:22:30 AM

In other news, I've used the spare tail Andy provided to test out a colour scheme:

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/big_ned/Heresy%20Dragon/2011-12-19071633.jpg)

I've used the flash so you can see the colour better.
Firstly, I think that such a large miniature would look a tad...drab, if it was ALL that colour..just my 2 cents.

secondly: SPARE tail??
There was two??
I only have a metal one...
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: Big Boris December 19, 2011, 08:30:07 AM
The metal one replaces the end section of the resin one. The one-piece resin tail was dodgy at the end and in your case, Richard, you got the metal one  plus a resin section instead of a longer less well cast resin one. Future dragons will all have metal tail ends only, not resin tail ends.
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: Big Boris December 19, 2011, 08:31:40 AM
I've said it before, and I'll say it again, btw, how Ian ever got that tail out in one piece at all is beyond the laws of physics, never mind casting.
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: Big Ned December 19, 2011, 11:17:15 AM
Firstly, I think that such a large miniature would look a tad...drab, if it was ALL that colour..just my 2 cents.

secondly: SPARE tail??
There was two??
I only have a metal one...

I hear what you are saying. This colour will only be for the scales, the wing membranes, underbelly, claws and horns are going to be lighter to break up the green a bit. I'm going for very much a crocodillian feel.
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: beefcake December 19, 2011, 07:22:30 PM
The finger on mine was only out by a few mm so I put pins in the finger, shoulder and the hips, then gave it a quick soak in near boiling water and gave the model a quick bend into shape.

In other news, I've used the spare tail Andy provided to test out a colour scheme:

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/big_ned/Heresy%20Dragon/2011-12-19071633.jpg)

I've used the flash so you can see the colour better.

I like the colour scheme. Very crocodillian
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: ink the troll December 19, 2011, 10:17:47 PM
Still haven't gotten round to prep mine, so it's nice to see paint on at least a little bit of dragon. Looks suitably crocodily colourwise.
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: leadhead December 20, 2011, 01:14:10 AM
Can you not heat it up using a hair dryer to bend things into alignment?  Just got a GK that is going to need some SERIOUS fidgety work (if I ever get to it).
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: yxalitis December 20, 2011, 01:19:50 AM
This is my colour inspiration...

http://www.coolminiornot.com/269373?browseid=6951318

not the wings, though, just the green across the scales
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: weareblind December 20, 2011, 06:11:04 PM
I know the Italian painter, one of my favourites. "Il nano nefasto" "The ominous dwarf". I have time to decide my palette, and I like this green...
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: Toosh December 21, 2011, 01:23:21 PM
The finger on mine was only out by a few mm so I put pins in the finger, shoulder and the hips, then gave it a quick soak in near boiling water and gave the model a quick bend into shape.

In other news, I've used the spare tail Andy provided to test out a colour scheme:

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/big_ned/Heresy%20Dragon/2011-12-19071633.jpg)

I've used the flash so you can see the colour better.

I like the colour scheme. Very crocodillian

Might be my monitor, but it's looking like metallics to my eye  :blink:  There needs to be some variation in colour; don't be afraid to use some reds etc otherwise, I too think it will look a bit 'samey'.  Nice start though  :thumbup:
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: DRAGON December 21, 2011, 09:11:09 PM
I quite like it - difficult to tell what the overall effect on the whole beast would look like  :shrug:
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: RiTides Nids December 27, 2011, 12:04:22 AM
Make a pin for the finger to hand and from tree stump to base, so that everything slides neatly into position, then you have to attach the arm to the main body and the main body to the legs all at the same time, I found. That way, nothing is massively out of position, it all lines up.

One of the perils of any multipart kit is that stuff that fits perfectly on the masters doesn't always on the castings. I had to leave the finger on the tree (I thought) as it wouldn't go around the tree if left on the hand due to the curve of the finger and thumb. For some reason it never really occurred to me to just make it a separate finger.

This might already be done, but if not it could be worth having a set of instructions posted up on the web to direct people to for the order of assembly. Raging Heroes did this for their (obviously much smaller) manticore, as it also has a tree with a limb on it and lining things up is a bear if done in the wrong order!

Looking forward to seeing that paint scheme on the Dragon, Big Ned! I think it will be great for the look you're going for. Using the underbelly/wing membranes to break up the scheme in a lighter color sounds perfect. The base might also give you an opportunity to set off the colors.

Judging by your comparison pic, it seems you have a thing for large dragon models!
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: Big Ned December 27, 2011, 08:36:50 AM

This might already be done, but if not it could be worth having a set of instructions posted up on the web to direct people to for the order of assembly. Raging Heroes did this for their (obviously much smaller) manticore, as it also has a tree with a limb on it and lining things up is a bear if done in the wrong order!

Looking forward to seeing that paint scheme on the Dragon, Big Ned! I think it will be great for the look you're going for. Using the underbelly/wing membranes to break up the scheme in a lighter color sounds perfect. The base might also give you an opportunity to set off the colors.

Judging by your comparison pic, it seems you have a thing for large dragon models!

There is, Andy's provided a set of instructions with the kit, which is really helpful and dusted with humour.

Thanks, I'm looking forward to seeing how this colour scheme turns out, I'm thinking it'll end up looking varied enough with thedetailing and highlights etc. I'm going to do a snow bases again to help the dragob stand out.

Yeah, I've got a thing for big dragons, 3 really big ones of which Andy is one
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: Big Boris January 06, 2012, 03:43:26 PM
Just been messing about with the Dragon over the last few days at home - the main problem with assembly is that the long legs seem to warp during the casting process - demoulding, when the resin is still soft, means that the ankles flex - the left leg suffers from a slight rotation of the rock, and both legs seem to have minutely straightened out a little, which pushes the main body away from the tree trunk, causing the gaps Richard mentioned. it's rather unavoidable.

To easily fix it, you need a hairdryer with one of those diffuser/focusing nozzle attachments (I'm using a hairdryer that cost £5 from Asda) so that you can apply heat to a specific area without burning your fingers.

Best thing to do, is to glue the legs to the torso, then gently (well, not that gently) force them into the correct position on the rock, using your Crushing Grip action to get the left rock to slightly rotate and lie flat in place. (The Dragon's left, not your left) Once this is in place, use a hairdryer to heat the ankle enough that it becomes more bendy, you'll be able to tell as it will stop resisting your Crushing Grip. Remove the hot air and let it cool whilst still holding it. It will now be 'set' in the correct position. Glue it in place.

Now attach the tree trunk and the left arm (prepare pins for the finger to hand connection first) - you'll find that if you apply pressure to the back of the dragon, you can easily close the gap between the hand and the finger on the tree trunk. Again apply hot air to the legs whilst gently pushing the dragon into place as above.

This should solve any huge gap issues anybody has had. The extent of the problem will vary from casting to casting.

Currently altering the rock and tree trunk so that there is less need to mess about with hairdryers, but that will only apply to future Dragons, obviously, as it means new moulds etc and thus will only kick in when the current ones are replaced.

(Messing about with the Dragon after a year off makes me want to start again for the most part, using polymer clays instead of greenstuff, procreate, etc. I would do it differently now, that's for sure.)

(I am not starting it again, just to be clear)
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: Vermis January 06, 2012, 05:18:13 PM
(I am not starting it again, just to be clear)

 :lol:
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: Darsc Zacal January 07, 2012, 05:33:18 AM
Speaking as someone still looking forward to receiving their dragon, I'd like to express my appreciation in you taking the time and effort in "fine tuning" the future dragon castings. Much thanks in advance, especially knowing how much time you've already put into the dragon.  :smile:
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: Twosoc January 07, 2012, 09:42:48 PM
(I am not starting it again, just to be clear)

Do a big one this time.
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: Big Boris January 07, 2012, 10:43:39 PM
: Gandalf


DON"T....TEMPT ME, FRODO!!!!

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: DRAGON January 08, 2012, 08:23:07 AM
 :lmao
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: Twosoc January 08, 2012, 10:11:27 PM
 :terrified:
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: yxalitis January 11, 2012, 01:48:28 AM

(Messing about with the Dragon after a year off makes me want to start again for the most part, using polymer clays instead of greenstuff, procreate, etc. I would do it differently now, that's for sure.)

Wait...you think having children would help?
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: Avicenna January 11, 2012, 07:04:55 AM
Wait...you think having children would help?

Well you know what they say, "many hands make light work" :)
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: Enazel February 07, 2012, 11:46:43 AM
Any more news of this :).
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: Big Boris February 07, 2012, 12:00:04 PM
Have done a silicon mould of some of the spincastable dragon parts - head pieces, the various back spines, arms, hands, some of th etail. At the moment I don't have a resin to experiment with, but have done some test casts in my usual metal alloy, and this established two things: one, that silicon moulds are awful things when it comes to metal alloys - the parts are 'burnt' looking and you can see flow marks in the discolouration, also there's a very fine sandpapery/orange peel-like texture to them. Basically, not really good enough to send out BUT it could be the quality of the metal as it's very much multi-recycled stuff. Am awaiting fresh metal delivery this week, along with samples of a lead-based alloy to see if that makes any difference to the finish. Secondly, the weight of these parts in metal is over 600g, which means it will add a fortune to the shipping for overseas if I do use metal. as well as considerable cost to the cost, if you follow me.

I am ultimately wanting to do the parts in resin on the spincaster - I'd love to be able to do that plastic-resin thing that Ed at Trollforged has developed and which apparently Juan at Avatars of War has figured out as well. But lacking the knowledge and essential clues, I'm stuck with regular resin in the forseeable future unless either of those two gents is feeling generous enough to clue me in.

Complete lack of funds so will investigate resin after the Hammerhead show and once I've garnered some sales from the next batch of releases (fingers crossed, anyway, things have been treacle slow lately, down by about 50% since summer). Heard rumours that there might be a new formula knocking about soon that may do the job.

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: Enazel February 07, 2012, 06:27:55 PM
Thanks for the update Andy.
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: Twosoc February 07, 2012, 08:06:03 PM
might be worth experimenting with a fast cast polyurethane with a 5% acetone mix.  you'll need to spin it for about five mins but might work for you. Not too expensive to try out, could do a good amount of trials for about £30.
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: Jimmy February 17, 2012, 12:43:29 PM
Any kind of estimate as to when the next batch will go out? be cast?
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: Big Boris February 18, 2012, 08:10:53 AM
Not sure yet. Ian is no doubt still casting up his big bits, I'm trying to find a work around for the little bits but just got hit by unexpected £500 of repair bills which I was going to spend on resin and moulds. Good news is that Ed at Trollforged thinks his plastic/resin hybrid formula is near 100% and should be ready for April, at which point I may be able to get my hands on that (he thinks he may be able to sell it or at least spin it for me). So what? you say. Well, if I can get my greedy hands on it, then all 200 Dragons in the queue would have half their bits done in five days or so. After that it's a question of getting the loan of a bigger mould press (new one costs £3040) and a deeper mould tin (£1100) and if I can get those, I can make spincast moulds for the torso, legs and wings too and suddenly you'd be looking at a couple of weeks to get all 200 dragons made in theory.
If I sell the house, I'll be able to buy those new. This also assumes that Ed's formula will work on large components as opposed to regular sized figures.
Until that happens, though, I have to rely on the current plan, which is successfully spincasting resin without all the problems GW are having with this.
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: geronimo February 18, 2012, 01:45:29 PM
Not sure yet. Ian is no doubt still casting up his big bits

Yup. Throwing away as many as I'm getting right at the minute - the crap weather over the past few weeks hasn't helped.   :blub:

Meanwhile there's some resin in the post for you, Andy, to see if you can create a stop-gap stock of spincast pieces....
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: Kat February 22, 2012, 06:16:13 PM
Hi all. I'm just getting back into painting minis and this dragon is on my list but I think I will wait and order him once you've filled all the back orders! I already have a mountain of unpainted minis, just working on a Cang at the mo so I'm certainly in no rush for it. He looks gorgeous though! I can see why he might be a nightmare to cast. Has anyone actually put one together and painted it yet? I'd love to see how he turns out! :)

 :applause:
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: Ajsalium February 22, 2012, 08:30:32 PM
Has anyone actually put one together and painted it yet? I'd love to see how he turns out! :)

Here is a W.I.P:
http://forum-of-doom.com/index.php?topic=15724.0 (http://forum-of-doom.com/index.php?topic=15724.0)
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: yxalitis March 05, 2012, 12:59:04 AM
Oh my...he's finally 99% complete!
By that, I mean, I have finished him, but being as he is so large and complex, I'm sure I'll find errors here and there over the next few months.
The hardest part about painting him, and a lesson to all yet to start theirs, is to really, really, really clean him up.
I washed in soapy water, then scrubbed with a nail brush using cream cleanser, then wiped clean and repeated, but still, I would find large sections of gloriously-blended paint peeling off! I had to redo some of the wing sections about 4 times, you can probably spot where, as the final blend is not as good as other sections.
Don't ask me how many greens went into that, I stopped counting after 12, plus about 4 different types of washes.
The idea of the claws being separate was great, I thought. "I will be able to paint these up all nice, then attach them after, so I don't have to worry about painting fiddly little claws all over the place"
Unfortunately, getting some of those claws in place was very difficult, especially the one behind the tree stump!, most took a few attempts to get in right, and after all that effort, I had worn the paint off and had to repaint anyway..gah!!
Forgive my photography, poor technique and lighting tend to wash out some colours, and super-enhance others (the mouth is not that RED!)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/76084129@N03/sets/72157629514172053/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/76084129@N03/sets/72157629514172053/)
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: DarthSte March 05, 2012, 12:09:38 PM
Looks amazing yxalitis!
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: Mortanius March 06, 2012, 12:32:53 AM
Wow it still looks great seeing the dragon finished. You did a great job on it.
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: Kat March 09, 2012, 08:09:02 PM
Nice work!  :applause:
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: DRAGON March 26, 2012, 08:28:13 PM
Any news on the casting Andy ?
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: Big Boris March 27, 2012, 07:49:42 AM
Not heard anything from Ian yet. Am currently re-texturing the wings prior to putting them in a big mould for spincasting. Bit more work than I'd thought, but IMO looks better for it. Lack of money has meant I am forced to get other stuff done first. See 'New Troopers' thread.
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: Jimmy April 01, 2012, 04:07:18 PM
any kind of estimate when the next batch will ship? weeks/months?
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: Big Boris April 02, 2012, 10:47:33 AM
As soon as I have any info from Ian I will let you know, I promise.

Meanwhile I finally got the money together to get enough lead-rich metal ordered to make the seriously heavy metal Dragon masters to make the spincast moulds, thanks to everyone who pre-ordered the Troopers and Boris. Will have news on that as soon as I have something to actually report ie a successful spincast of resin parts. Looking at spincasting both arms, the head parts, the horns (currently in metal but would prefer in resin), the top ends of the wings (iffy as they only fit in the tin backwards to how they should so i am dubious about their likely success) and the back 2/3 of the tail. If I can get the funds for a deeper mould tin this will be expanded to include the big bit of the tail..

Annoyingly, whilst I could easily source a much bigger tin, ie bigger diameter than 11", say 15", easily capable of taking the wings and even the torso or legs if deep enough a tin was bought, none of the UK rubber companies I can buy rubber moulds (and tins) from appear to cater for anything bigger than 11". It is most perplexing. Why would they sell me a bigger tin and not the bigger moulds to go in it?
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: Big Boris April 04, 2012, 10:15:49 AM
News: So it turns out, Ian sent a batch of Dragons in mid-Feb.

They never arrived! :shock:

The couriers claimed to have delivered them two weeks after posting, on a Saturday, (no deliveries on this Industrial Estate on a Saturday, and we weren't in that day anyway) and have an unintelligible signature on the receipt. Much gnashing of teeth.  :swear: Hope Ian gets good compensation for not only the deliberately 'lost' batch of dragons but also for the wear and tear on the moulds!

pS Don't know which courier it was.
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: beefcake April 04, 2012, 10:20:16 AM
That sucks. Are you keeping your eye out on ebay and the likes. At least you have a good record of who you have sold them to.
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: Enazel April 04, 2012, 10:43:05 AM
Not good. This bloody Dragon might be the end of us all at this right.
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: Graeme April 04, 2012, 11:25:22 AM
Have you looked inside your compost bin. City-Link left a package for me in mine, took a photo to prove they delivered it then failed to put a note through my letter box telling me it was here. it was over a month before I found it, half decomposed.
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: Avicenna April 04, 2012, 11:39:08 AM
Get the courier to check every inch of their warehouse - both the local depot(s) and any hubs in between. When I worked in logistics this wasn't an infrequent occurrence and they normally managed to find the box somewhere, however, Ian might have to push them...

the swines!
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: Nosferatu April 04, 2012, 12:16:10 PM
I had a similar thing happen a couple of weeks back. I was at work and was keeping an eye on the courier's tracking website because I knew the package was due. It was quite disconcerting to see the package status change on their system to 'delivered'. Apparently signed for by someone called 'David' (which is, strangely, my name!). Their tracking system also showed 'David's' signature, which didn't resemble mine at all! Anyway, luckily the package was on my door step when I got home. I complained long and loud to the courier company. The Manager got back to me and seemed to appreciate the seriousness of fraudulently signing someone else's name and of dumping a package that had a big pink sticker on it saying 'signature must be obtained'. So end result for me was that I did safely get my package, no thanks to idiot courier. Who apparently will be out of a minimum wage job if he does it again.

...I was lucky that time, but it seems this is courier revenge, because Andy's missing package may well have contained my dragon!  :tantrum:
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: Ben Brownlie April 04, 2012, 12:47:53 PM
News: So it turns out, Ian sent a batch of Dragons in mid-Feb.

They never arrived! :shock:

The couriers claimed to have delivered them two weeks after posting, on a Saturday, (no deliveries on this Industrial Estate on a Saturday, and we weren't in that day anyway) and have an unintelligible signature on the receipt. Much gnashing of teeth.  :swear: Hope Ian gets good compensation for not only the deliberately 'lost' batch of dragons but also for the wear and tear on the moulds!

pS Don't know which courier it was.

When we get stuff delivered here we need to give a signature and a name

So if they can not give a name then it is suspect

Especially if you were not there that day
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: beefcake April 05, 2012, 04:58:01 AM
I may be going overboard but since it's probably 1000's of pounds of product I'd perhaps get the police (or at least threaten to get the police) involved if the courier company doesn't do anything.
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: leadhead April 05, 2012, 06:26:50 AM
 :metoo:
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: Big Boris April 05, 2012, 08:16:36 AM
...I was lucky that time, but it seems this is courier revenge, because Andy's missing package may well have contained my dragon!  :tantrum:

Um....it did.:kick:

Sorry. :terrified:
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: DarthSte April 05, 2012, 08:58:16 AM
And I guess tis moves him to the back of the queue as well?
 :wink:
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: Nosferatu April 05, 2012, 10:52:28 AM
...I was lucky that time, but it seems this is courier revenge, because Andy's missing package may well have contained my dragon!  :tantrum:

Um....it did.:kick:

Sorry. :terrified:

 :faint:

Right, better give me the name of that courier company, I'm off to hire a hitman.  :grrr:  :eatlead:

And I guess tis moves him to the back of the queue as well?
 :wink:

Oi! Don't even think about it! ...if I'm hiring, it's not so hard to extend the contract!  :wry:
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: Spectacle April 05, 2012, 05:01:10 PM
Meanwhile I finally got the money together to get enough lead-rich metal ordered to make the seriously heavy metal Dragon masters to make the spincast moulds.
How much would the dragon have to sell for if it was all metal?  :P
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: Cheddarmonger April 05, 2012, 05:21:09 PM
What a setback; I sure hope that the courier finds it, or compensates handsomely. 

I'm curious; where's my dragon in the queue?

Cheers,
 -- David
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: gi6ers April 05, 2012, 05:27:25 PM
City-Link

Really poor company IMO.
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: Mr Teufel April 06, 2012, 12:32:40 AM
I may be going overboard but since it's probably 1000's of pounds of product I'd perhaps get the police (or at least threaten to get the police) involved if the courier company doesn't do anything.
:tantrum: :metoo: :tantrum:
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: Big Boris April 06, 2012, 07:32:54 AM
Meanwhile I finally got the money together to get enough lead-rich metal ordered to make the seriously heavy metal Dragon masters to make the spincast moulds.
How much would the dragon have to sell for if it was all metal?  :P

Well, it would weigh something like 12kg in metal, so at least £450... and you wouldn't want to have to hold it in one hand whilst painting it!

What a setback; I sure hope that the courier finds it, or compensates handsomely. 

I'm curious; where's my dragon in the queue?

Cheers,
 -- David

149 was your number, David
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: DRAGON April 06, 2012, 06:39:29 PM
I may be going overboard but since it's probably 1000's of pounds of product I'd perhaps get the police (or at least threaten to get the police) involved if the courier company doesn't do anything.
:tantrum: :metoo: :tantrum:
:metoo: surely the package was insured ?
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: Balgin Stondraeg April 06, 2012, 11:48:33 PM
pS Don't know which courier it was.

I suspect one with few scruples, a knowledge of illegal procedures, and probably one who knew lots of people wanted these dragons very much and would be willing to pay a lot of money for them.

and they normally managed to find the box somewhere

You mean reluctantly admitted they still had it?
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: Balgin Stondraeg April 13, 2012, 05:55:00 PM
So at what point do you get the police involved?
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: Kat April 24, 2012, 10:00:50 PM
Oh dear, sorry to hear this about the dragons, Royal mail managed to lose an Ogre that I painted up for Paint Iad for CMON. Andy, you had better get a move on and clear this backlog so that I can order one too! I've just finished CMON's Cang the Implacable http://www.coolminiornot.com/forums/showthread.php?49449-Introducing-Cang-the-Improbable-AKA-Glowing-Moorwen-Dragon-of-Dooom-%28TM%29 (http://www.coolminiornot.com/forums/showthread.php?49449-Introducing-Cang-the-Improbable-AKA-Glowing-Moorwen-Dragon-of-Dooom-%28TM%29) so will be looking for another project in a few months, once I've got my enormous metal dragon  http://www.flickr.com/photos/kittykat23uk/sets/72157629689347123/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kittykat23uk/sets/72157629689347123/) done..
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: Big Boris April 24, 2012, 10:04:22 PM
Spending the next week doing my accounts, and then it's at least a month of solid Dragon related work - spincasting as much as I can to build up stock.
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: tumblebomb April 25, 2012, 07:11:19 PM
That's great news.  You know what they say, there's a time for everything! 
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: Jimmy May 28, 2012, 01:43:54 PM
Hope the accounts got sorted. Any news on any dragons?
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: Big Boris May 28, 2012, 05:22:40 PM
Got a big pile of metal castings in front of me, cleaning them up to make silicon moulds with. unfortunately, several people have demanded a refund lately (despite the whole 'No Refunds' thing in giant font that they agreed to when ordering. Quite understandable, but immensely frustrating at this stage) which ironically has prevented me from buying a deeper mould tin to make moulds of more of the parts and speed things up.

Also fixing the original sculpt ready for remoulding. Found a lot of white plasticene in the scales, etc and am currently adding a texture to the wings to make them look less 'blank plastic' and more organic, as well as slightly easier to cast as they'll be a mm or two thicker.

I actually wake up in the night now thinking of this bloody dragon and all the problems it causes...
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: Big Boris May 28, 2012, 05:23:34 PM
PS as to accounts, thought they had been sorted, but got informed otherwise by the accountant today and had to dig around for more info etc. Bloody accounts! :lol:
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: atacam May 28, 2012, 05:49:41 PM
Sorry to hear people have pulled out. I, like others are still happy to wait(not too long :)  )

The silver lining in this cloud of pull outs, is I hope I have moved up the list, 78 I think I was??????

BTW if I am going to get a resin one, think I read it somewhere, I am happy to wait a little longer than getting it quicker but in metal. Or did I misunderstand?

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: Big Boris May 28, 2012, 07:46:23 PM
Not really practical to do it in solid metal, it would cost me over £600 just for the metal, never mind all the moulds! lol. Also it would weigh over 12kgs and be impossible to paint in one hand...
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: atacam May 28, 2012, 07:58:50 PM
Also it would weigh over 12kgs and be impossible to paint in one hand...

Oh Yeah, you havent seen my model holding arm :P

(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p291/atacam/dude-jerks-a-lot-with-one-arm-550x330.jpg)

 :lmao

Glad its resin, can you tell me what my number is please?

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: Steel Penguin May 28, 2012, 09:06:30 PM
ang on there....  has the magic blue number on andys sig just gone up again...
do i need to ready a landing area. 
do i need to get a gallon of ink for saphire penguin?

waity waity penguin
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: Big Boris June 09, 2012, 04:11:18 PM
Not yet, I'm afraid. Ian is working on casting some more Dragons with the moulds, as are, over the next two weeks. Meanwhile, I am making some drastic changes to the torso, removing the wings. This will allow Ian to fit the torso and wings into his pressure pot, and mean less miscasts and thus faster dragons. I would also be able to fit the parts into a deeper mould tin at my end, in theory, and thus spincast them.

Wings are already off, am currently filling in and smoothing off joins for best fit of parts, also retexturing wing membranes, as I was never satisifed with them really and this seems as good an excuse as any to sort them out.
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: designer7x June 10, 2012, 07:56:23 AM
Wow, only seven more!  That's very exciting!!  Sounds like things are beginning to come together, Thanks for the update Andy!

One question, will you be emailing and confirming addresses before mailing them out?  Thanks!
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: Big Boris June 10, 2012, 10:18:59 AM
Yes, I will, unless the customer has very recently ordered (and has paid for delivery already) and therefore I have an up to date address...
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: Enazel June 12, 2012, 12:11:00 PM
Slowly the numbers go up. Sounds like a good plan on the removal of the wings from torso.
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: Curious Plankton June 12, 2012, 01:29:38 PM
I am once again getting excited!  :lalala:

Soon my pet sooon....
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: fredox July 03, 2012, 04:04:59 PM
Have had to confirm my address so fingers crossed it won't be long. :)
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: Enazel July 04, 2012, 11:58:46 AM
OO another shipment, How many this time Andy?
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: Avicenna July 04, 2012, 12:08:48 PM
hopefully 8 or 9 ;)
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: Big Boris July 04, 2012, 12:17:56 PM
Just a couple, sorry! I'll email individuals when i get the parts through and know for sure.
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: Avicenna July 04, 2012, 12:24:11 PM
No problem Andy - actually thats quite good, as Toosh or I will probably give you one of our work addresses :)
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: DRAGON July 05, 2012, 05:34:55 PM
Just a couple, sorry!
Doh ! I think I am 34 - a couple would make 32............  :swear:  :lol:
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: Big Boris July 05, 2012, 05:51:09 PM
Actually, as it turns out, 5 makes 32 - there are a couple of the ones that i was counting that are actually further down the queue - they were peoploe who picked up miscasts a couple of Salute shows ago. To save confusion, I shall pretend they weren't sent out so from now on, I shall only refer to the 'proper' dragons sent out, from the correct end of the queue, and then include those other ones as their empty slots slip into place. Thus, today marks 32 out the door.

Ian has another 3 almost cast up, which should be sent out in the next day or two (so yours will be coming soon, Nosferatu!). Next week, at least!
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: Tasker July 05, 2012, 11:10:34 PM
Mr Andy sir.

Any chance of finding out what number I am?

Probably in the hundreds but it would be nice to know.   :silly
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: Big Boris July 06, 2012, 07:56:45 AM
214, Tasker...almost right at the end, I'm afraid!
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: Tasker July 06, 2012, 11:13:01 AM
Not a problem mate.

Had a feeling it would be right near the end so it's no big deal.

I just finally got around to wondering what it actually was.  :silly
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: Enazel July 09, 2012, 12:22:26 PM
:) at least more are going out the door again. half way there or so for mine :).
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: DRAGON July 11, 2012, 05:57:59 PM
I've just received an e-mail from Andy..............  :wink:  :woohoo:
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: Big Boris July 11, 2012, 08:38:07 PM
3 more are crossed off the list! Takes us to 35, the next batch starts at 36. If there's 3 then Toosh gets hers and Avicenna has to wait until the one after.... :muahahaha:

Good news, I have found a much cheaper supplier for a 12" x 2" mould tin than previously quoted - still very expensive, but it's £600 instead of £1300, which is much more achievable. Once I can save the funds up for the tin, I can spin up a lot of the pieces and really get things moving.

You can all help by getting your mates to buy some figures e.g. about 7 complete gang collections  (http://www.heresyminiatures.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=2_15&products_id=287)would do it.
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: Toosh July 11, 2012, 08:50:17 PM
3 more are crossed off the list! Takes us to 35, the next batch starts at 36. If there's 3 then Toosh gets hers and Avicenna has to wait until the one after.... :muahahaha: <snip>

Woot!!!!  :D  Of course, I'm not the sort of person to wind him up about it....nope, not at all, not me.  :pose: :danceofjoy: :bum:
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: leadhead July 12, 2012, 05:16:48 AM
You can all help by getting your mates to buy some figures e.g. about 7 complete gang collections  (http://www.heresyminiatures.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=2_15&products_id=287)would do it.

Well the gangers aren't really my thing but I was thinking about using some of the money I made off ebay for more bits and bobs for my Dark Brethren army, like more grubs and priests and command groups.  Extra bases too.  Dragons to the people!!!

PS:  Andy, any idea when 30mm display bases will be back in stock?
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: Big Boris July 12, 2012, 07:06:18 AM
They are in stock, the cart stock level needs updating...
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: geronimo July 12, 2012, 08:32:10 AM
If there's 3 then Toosh gets hers and Avicenna has to wait until the one after.... :muahahaha:
Yup, three more this batch, maybe in the post today, probably tomorrow....
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: DRAGON July 12, 2012, 12:12:53 PM
The Eagle Dragon has landed !  :boing:
You cant beat that for speed of service - email and payment to my front door in less than 24 hrs !
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: DRAGON July 12, 2012, 12:39:36 PM
Erm , Andy I've sent you an email  :whistle:
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: weareblind July 12, 2012, 01:09:25 PM
Andy, sorry for the loss of time, but I'm searching inside Heresy website the progressive list of Dragons (just in case...) but I don't find it...
Hi to you all, I'm disappeared and I will be desaparecido until November.
Have a good Summer!
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: Big Boris July 12, 2012, 01:16:38 PM
There's a small countdown on the Dragon page itself, Antonio, but the full list of names and numbers can't be published due to Data Protection Act, privacy, etc

http://www.heresyminiatures.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_80&products_id=260

@Dragon, emailed you back!
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: leadhead July 13, 2012, 03:50:38 AM
You can all help by getting your mates to buy some figures e.g. about 7 complete gang collections  (http://www.heresyminiatures.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=2_15&products_id=287)would do it.

Well the gangers aren't really my thing but I was thinking about using some of the money I made off ebay for more bits and bobs for my Dark Brethren army, like more grubs and priests and command groups.  Extra bases too.  Dragons to the people!!!

PS:  Andy, any idea when 30mm display bases will be back in stock?
They are in stock, the cart stock level needs updating...

Well, it looks like my contribution to dragon making is going to have to wait another couple of days.  The money I made from evilbay is on hold because I haven't got much sales history.  Fair enough purchase history but, stupid evilbaypolicywhatallcrap.
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: Big Boris July 13, 2012, 10:51:19 AM
Oi, Nosferatu! Could you answer the PM (or email) I sent you, please?  :P

Are you on holiday...?
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: DRAGON July 13, 2012, 12:40:26 PM
Item arrived safe and sound Andy - posted the other bit back yesterday so hopefully you should receive it today !
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: beefcake July 14, 2012, 08:52:34 AM
Have you finished painting it yet Dragon? ;)
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: DRAGON July 14, 2012, 06:38:55 PM
Done a bit of test fitting of parts - will have to wait until next week when I've got some time to concentrate on it properly ...... wouldn't want to mess it up ! :angel:
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: leadhead July 14, 2012, 10:49:48 PM
Done a bit of test fitting of parts - will have to wait until next week when I've got some time to concentrate on it properly ...... wouldn't want to mess it up ! :angel:

Slacker!  :wink:
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: Big Boris July 17, 2012, 12:29:08 PM
Slight delay - the mould for the neck spines has become useless and must be re-made...
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: geronimo July 17, 2012, 05:10:16 PM
Slight delay - the mould for the neck spines has become useless and must be re-made...

Upside to that: the delay means I'm casting more bits, so when the new mould's done there'll be more than 3 kits going out for the next batch....
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: beefcake July 17, 2012, 09:07:20 PM
Sounds like the Dragon output is really picking up. Good stuff
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: Avicenna July 17, 2012, 11:24:21 PM
Woohoo!
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: DRAGON July 18, 2012, 09:00:40 PM
I have now officially shed blood on the thing  :shock:
Was cleaning up some flash and sliipped with a new surgical scapel blade in the knife leaving an inch long cut across my knuckle and index finger gone pretty deep as well as I had a bit of pressure behind it - blood everywhere  :faint:
Patched myself up as best I could but I think it may need a couple of stitches - unfortunately have to be at work in half an hour..........
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: Ajsalium July 18, 2012, 09:23:16 PM
Bleeding for your hobby... truly touching.

Red dragon will be, then.
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: Mr Teufel July 18, 2012, 10:41:18 PM
Don't you have sick leave?
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: DRAGON July 23, 2012, 08:15:12 PM
Havent been well over the weekend and spent most of it in bed - on the bright side not moving my finger around has made it knit together quite quickly and I have finished assembling the dragon - minus claws and horns - may even think about paint schemes this week..........  :angel:
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: Toosh August 09, 2012, 01:31:39 PM
So back on 12 July 3 were in the pipeline........any news or am I in the wrong thread?!  I'm aware this one is getting quite long :D
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: Big Boris August 09, 2012, 01:38:15 PM
Currently packing them.
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: Toosh August 09, 2012, 02:23:44 PM
Awesome!  :boing:
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: RiTides Nids August 11, 2012, 05:44:43 AM
Almost 15% of the way through the queue...
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: Big Boris August 11, 2012, 07:57:41 AM
45 out of 225, once the current batch sitting around the place is fully packed. There's an 'arms' issue at the moment that I'm hoping to resolve shortly. So 20%.

Waiting for the Deep Tin to arrive, the people tooling it somewhat frustratingly closed down for their annual holidays for the last two weeks. Then I can get metal castings of the bigger pieces and see if I can get Ed Fortae to do some casting for me at last.
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: Toosh August 11, 2012, 11:43:13 AM
Sounds good to me Andy :D I think you're doing a cracking job under difficult circumstances.  :thumbup:

I really hope the new tin gets things moving at a better pace for you.

Keep going!!!   :notworthy:
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: atacam August 11, 2012, 11:56:25 AM
Well at least it is moving, albeit slowly, but it is moving, which is a good thing.  :notworthy:

Question, what parts are you wanting to produce in metal? I thought it was a completely resin Dragon, or was I mistaken?

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: Big Boris August 11, 2012, 12:18:53 PM
Well, depending on if I can actually get Ed at Trollforged to agree to cast some bits for me or not , it may be that the hands will be in metal. The end of the tail is in metal, and the claws are in metal. Want as little metal as possible in there really, for weight and cost issues, but some things, like the hands, are just proving to be very difficult to get 100% quality castings of as is, so I've cut the hands off and done metal versions of them which can then be spun up (with claws in place) and used to make either moulds for metal or for Ed's spincast plastic process. Which is what the other metal bits are going to be for - solid master castings that can't be broken by the moulding process and can be replaced if lost mid-flight over the atlantic if they end do end up going to the USA.

There a few bits that won't fit into the mould tin I'm buying (I'd need to buy a new mould press as mine doesn't open wide enough to accommodate mould tins for moulds thicker than 2.5 inches) such as the rock and the ends of the wings (going to try those, but have my doubts) but in theory one could produce a solid metal dragon given time and enough funds for the hideously expensive silicon moulds you initially need. The cost of it would be phenomenal in metal, though!
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: atacam August 11, 2012, 12:55:02 PM
Yes, just a bit. Personally I wouldn't want somethign like this in metal. I dont think there would be a mini shelf in the land that would hold this beast.  :lmao:

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: RiTides Nids August 11, 2012, 02:39:19 PM
45 out of 225, once the current batch sitting around the place is fully packed. There's an 'arms' issue at the moment that I'm hoping to resolve shortly. So 20%.

Waiting for the Deep Tin to arrive, the people tooling it somewhat frustratingly closed down for their annual holidays for the last two weeks. Then I can get metal castings of the bigger pieces and see if I can get Ed Fortae to do some casting for me at last.
20% is good, however I'd be concerned if your plan going forward is to depend on Ed from Trollforged to do something for you quickly... it hasn't worked out thus far, and he always has a huge backlog / demand for new molds... people have been waiting years! His process looks awesome, though.

I know I've been a Debbie Downer, but I actually know of someone who does excellent resin casts- Wehrkind over on Dakka Dakka. He is casting up a lot of items for the On The Lamb / Brushfire range in resin, that they used to have made in metal. So, if Ed is / continues to be unavailable, it might be worth reaching out to him. He also did 100 complete models for me personally in just a few months.

If you want to get in touch with him, I can PM you his email, or you can shoot him a message on Dakka:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/user/profile/4670.page

An example of his work (Edit: Whoa, this came out really big... feel free to edit this post if necessary):
(http://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/at/at2/2012/2/14/5b9b5cc51ed0be2ed9061ab7a4560026_4670.jpg)

Which is this model along with alternate heads:
http://www.on-the-lamb.com/store/product.php?id_product=65

Anyway, hopefully that is helpful. I can personally attest to how good and prolific he is, as can the folks at On The Lamb / Brushfire.
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: Big Boris August 11, 2012, 08:11:39 PM
Ed isn't the only plan. He's been part of the plan since he first sent me a sample of his plastic a year or so back. He's the 'Ultimate Wish' plan (Well penultimate, ultimate would be learning what the process is that he uses so I could do it myself) But the main plan is to cast as much of the 'little' bits (arms etc) myself so that Ian isn't casting 19 individual moulds for each dragon he's making at the moment. If we can get Ed to do some of it, it would solve the queue inside a month or two, and the plastic resin hybrid material he produces is very, very good stuff, far better than resin. Awesome for the claws and stuff.
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: Big Boris August 16, 2012, 02:01:36 PM
Mini-news - the arms and hands are now separate, for the time being, with the hands being cast in metal. All those scaly fingers eat the silicon moulds and cause nightmares in casting terms, trying to get resin to fully fill the tiny details. So metal for now.

I should be able to get enough Dragons out of this batch to take us to about #47, but annoyingly, my box supplier has been bought out and seems to have stopped listing the box I used for Dragons on their website. About to head off to Davpack, which is local, and wave a box in their faces to see what they can come up with as an alternative for the same sort of price.
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: Gangrel August 16, 2012, 07:12:41 PM
Have you tried Charapak? Also relatively local (Alfreton-ish), I used to get boxes from them back in another life.
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: DRAGON August 16, 2012, 08:48:17 PM
I've got an empty box I can sell you  :angel:
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: Steel Penguin August 16, 2012, 09:17:01 PM
47 that could be er awkward...  ill just let sappire penguin have it, a happy wife is the best idea. her lead mountain is ( i think) now bigger than mine so ittl have somewhere to sit. :woohoo: :woohoo: 
waitng with baited breath
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: Big Boris August 17, 2012, 09:32:53 AM
Well, was packing Dragons until late last night and unfortunately, the last three boxes aren't complete due to slight miscasts on some of the parts, so 45, 46 and 47 aren't ready quite yet, anyway! (Unless any of those three are happy to sculpt teeth or lickle Dragon horns)
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: Big Boris August 17, 2012, 09:33:51 AM
(So your two will come at the same time, SP, and thus solve any problems of who gets theirs first.)
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: Steel Penguin August 17, 2012, 08:12:49 PM
 :thumbup:  i aprove of this plan.  And sapphire penguin isnt disapointed either.
thank you Andy.
top job
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: Brage97 August 17, 2012, 08:53:34 PM
#62 suddenly doesn't sound so far off :-)
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: Nosferatu August 22, 2012, 08:37:26 AM
Oi, Nosferatu! Could you answer the PM (or email) I sent you, please?  :P

Are you on holiday...?

Sorry Andy, yeah I've been in Nepal (2.5 months) and Borneo (1 month), but I'm back now! :D ...looking forward to seeing that dragon! See PM for details...
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: Nosferatu September 02, 2012, 01:58:06 AM
A belated (sorry ...busy!) thankyou Andy! A box full of minty resin goodness arrived last week. He's awesome and worth the wait.

Cheers...  :D
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: Amazon warrior September 14, 2012, 09:51:31 AM
*emerges briefly from lurk mode*

Ok, so I finally have to ask - where am I on the list?  (RL name Heulwen Price.)  I'm pretty sure I'm near the end, but I'm cool with that - I'm currently backpacking in SE Asia so I couldn't paint a dragon even if I had one!  :p

Also, which email address do have for me?  I have yahoo and gmail, but I pretty much totally ignore the yahoo one these days.   I wouldn't want to miss a dragon-related email though!
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: atacam September 14, 2012, 10:01:19 AM
Whoo Hoo. My dragon arrived the other day. Wow what a beast and totally worth the wait.

Thanks indeed Andy for all your hard work. Guys if you havent got one, get your order in and wait, you wont be disappointed.

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: Big Boris September 14, 2012, 10:12:13 AM
*emerges briefly from lurk mode*

Ok, so I finally have to ask - where am I on the list?  (RL name Heulwen Price.)  I'm pretty sure I'm near the end, but I'm cool with that - I'm currently backpacking in SE Asia so I couldn't paint a dragon even if I had one!  :p

Also, which email address do have for me?  I have yahoo and gmail, but I pretty much totally ignore the yahoo one these days.   I wouldn't want to miss a dragon-related email though!

You are 165 in the queue, Heulwen - which is currently 111 Dragons' time as there have been a few people who have taken exchanges etc instead of continuing to wait. I have the gmail address on file. Enjoy the trekking!
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: Amazon warrior September 14, 2012, 02:19:51 PM
*emerges briefly from lurk mode*

Ok, so I finally have to ask - where am I on the list?  (RL name Heulwen Price.)  I'm pretty sure I'm near the end, but I'm cool with that - I'm currently backpacking in SE Asia so I couldn't paint a dragon even if I had one!  :p

Also, which email address do have for me?  I have yahoo and gmail, but I pretty much totally ignore the yahoo one these days.   I wouldn't want to miss a dragon-related email though!

You are 165 in the queue, Heulwen - which is currently 111 Dragons' time as there have been a few people who have taken exchanges etc instead of continuing to wait. I have the gmail address on file. Enjoy the trekking!
Hi Boris, thanks for that, much appreciated! :)  Seems I'm much further up the list than I thought (I figured I was somewhere in the 200s), but at least I don't have to explain a large box of dragon bits to my family for a little while yet.  XD

All the best from Vietnam!  :D *goes back to being supportive from the shadows*
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: Steel Penguin September 15, 2012, 09:50:23 AM
 :woohoo:   Sapphire Penguins dragon arrived to day.   gorr the box is big,  eck the dragon is bigger. evan in component parts it looks amazing.
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: DRAGON September 15, 2012, 10:39:22 AM
Yeah it's BIG - I'm starting to wonder if adding another 6 inches in height with the scenic base was such a good idea.............. :angel:
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: blindhamsterman September 18, 2012, 10:24:53 PM
Heya

where about on the list am I these days? And... do you have an address for me still? I'm guessing I likely wont see the dragon by this time next year so there's a possibility I may have finally purchased a house with the wife by then :)
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: Sselhak September 24, 2012, 04:10:48 PM
Hi!

I also have to ask - where am I on the list? 
Name deleted from Austria, Europe.

Thanks,
Sselhak
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: RiTides Nids October 07, 2012, 05:22:08 AM
May want to update the thread title someday (2 years out of date now).
: Heresy Dragon Big Thread Of Doom
: Big Boris October 07, 2012, 08:29:13 AM
91 Dragons until yours, Mario! Sorry, I did see this but then forgot to post the answer.

@RiTides
Good point!

Ian's recurring back injury (careful on those motorbikes, kids!) has flared up and kept him from packing any dragons for the last couple of weeks. I'm spending today going over metal masters of some dragon parts to be sent to Ed at Trollforged in the hopes he'll find time to cast them up. He's snowed under with stuff from Red Box Games etc but fingers crossed.
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: blindhamsterman October 07, 2012, 12:53:59 PM